do you live in the suburban sprawl of a declining post-industrial city?
has it been a source of the problems in your life?
suburbs are designed for cars and do not consider human behaviour or psychology at all
since they are predicated on the idea that community members drive and own cars they are often food deserts and have no entertainment/shopping/etc facilities within walking distance
this means there are no public spaces which could act as hubs of community life allowing the people living there to mingle and form social/support networks which could help prevent antisocial individuals from dropping out of society
people who are isolated in the suburbs are also less likely to get regular exercise since cities typically have better perceived walkability due to the preferable busy ambience and greater number of surrounding points of interest as opposed to the repetitious suburban environment which is considered boring and devoid of life
for these reasons people living in cities are much more likely to spontaneously leave their house and get exercise on foot while engaging with their local community and making social connections which help them to live a more productive and fulfilling life
people living in suburbs are typically isolated in their home between mandatory outings such as attending work or school and will only leave to make planned shopping trips at the closest large retail outlet which usually only involves minimal social interaction by using self-service machines or briefly speaking to a cashier which is unlikely to foster a significant connection or relationship
there are more jobs in the city if you are looking for work and the higher density of people will make it easier to meet potential romantic partners or friends if you are suffering from loneliness
the suburbs really are terrible and if you live there you should seriously consider moving to a city to see if it will help you overcome whatever issues you are dealing with
Do you live in the suburban sprawl of a declining post-industrial city?
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Yeah no shit and try living in a small town where life is 10000 worse and then have poor shit parents and god take away your license and happiness
Oh and its Antarctic all year
I fucking HATE god I will ducking destroy god if it takes everything I have and I have to spend my entire afterlife leading the armies of hell against god F U C K god
I have it worse than anyone because god attacks me
It's cheaper to build outward than it is to build upward. Capitalism doesn't care about your petty human psychology or health. It's not capitalism's problem that you're depressed and fat.
All that matters it that Goldberg keeps collecting compounding interests on his 6 figure investments, which decreases the value of your money via inflation.
If you don't agree with this system you're a fucking COMMUNIST.
so much this
the reason wagies are so fucking depressed is because they have to spend so much time driving
when they get home they just order some fucking garbage takeout because they're too whacked to cook then fall asleep infront the telly and get fat
fuckin gather up all the town planners an gas them aye
this is literally how right wingers think
lol
it is not a healthy way to live
Fortunately my suburb has trains to the City.
I live in a post industrial town that had shipbuilding, coal mining and steel industries for about 200 years. The subsidies stopped for these industries after the government couldn't afford to compete with Asian slave labour in the 1980s and now the unemployment rate is 25%+. There aren't any jobs because all the towns in my region had a similar treatment from the government. There is only one factory in my town manufacturing brake pads and you have to get on your hands and knees and beg for the opportunity to work minimum wage there.
There is nothing to do.
sounds like the whole rust belt
Fuck you user you stole my school shooter theory
what's your theory?
suburban isolation is causing the shootings?
I live in an industrial city in Russia which is build around oil
Its pretty much a ghetto, a few years ago there was a serial muderer living in my home
I got beaten, mugged, raped, nearly killed here
its been a source of some problems, but those problems are a lot less severe than the ones I would have had in a city. All in all, since there's no problemless place to live, I think the suburbs are a pretty good choice all things considered.
>public spaces
there's parks and such here too. but in any case 1.) in the city or the suburbs, you don't just talk to people you don't know there, it's somewhere you either go by yourself to be ignored by other people going about their own business, or 2.) that you go with people you already know.
>spontaneously leave your house
see points 1 and 2 above.
>they're designed for cars and not walking
yeah and when it's 95 degrees with 100% humidity, or 10 below zero and blowing snow, you'll be thankful for that. How you get to places doesn't really matter, what you do at those places, and with whom you do it, matters. And someone who has problems with social relationships and the like in the suburbs would have those same problems in the city. Especially since the issue with most people here is a lack of interest in the kinds of things that most people like to go out and do.
I think the time spent at work might have rather more to do with it. Having to work for eight+ hours every day isn't much fun regardless of whether getting there takes a ten-minute walk or an hour-long diver.
Yes. Most young mass shooters are white kids from the suburbs and, from what I've seen in the suburbs, there's no real community there. It seems like they were made to keep everyone separate from one another. There are no parks, grocery stores, shopping centers, anything where the community can come together. No one is outside, kids play in the house or in their backyards, the streets are too long to walk and they usually to lead nowhere but more houses or a wall, no one really knows their neighbors outside of maybe the ones next door. There aren't even convenience stores, they have the "neighborhood Walmart". A small Walmart doesn't give off the same community vibe as the Stop-N-Shop that's run by that funny Egyptian guy and his son who drive the Corvette and has the Mexican woman with a taqueria in the inside of the store.
This is in sharp contrast to the inner city ghettos, where the sense of community is so deep in the people that they formed neighborhood gangs. Older neighborhoods are obviously built for social interaction. The streets are short and lead to parks, recreation centers, shops. The apartments are built facing a big courtyard because the people who built it EXPECTED the neighbors to interact. Now apartments are made so that everyone can ignore one another.
Forgot to add why I think that causes mass shootings:
If you live in a place where your community isn't all that important and you don't really have the opportunity to see the humanity in your own neighbors, it makes it much easier to kill them. You don't value their lives because you literally have no idea who these people are. You may have a little less empathy for people who are outside of your immediate family for the simple fact that you've never had to interact with people outside of your immediate family. If you're mentally ill, suburbs are not the place for you to be.
i feel like parks don't really cut it unless you're a young child or the parent of a young child who could meet other local parents and network in which case sure they're great
young adults thrive in cities where there is nightlife, daytime activities and seasonal events, and clubs or stores relating to niche interests
it's also highly common and socially acceptable to meet new people and make acquaintances that then become friends and lovers in these places that's pretty much how normal life is for people who aren't isolated from society
and as for the driving thing yeah sure it keeps the weather off but if you moved to a city where you felt comfortable year round you wouldn't need to worry about that
concentrating people in cities thereby reducing their need to drive would not only reduce carbon emissions and protect our atmosphere but would also optimally minimise the area of impact of our living space on the natural environment and allow plant and animal life to reclaim previously occupied land
yeah that's it i'm sure with shooters they have other issues obviously not everyone who lives in suburbia is going to commit a spree shooting but i'm sure it's a contributing factor
it would be interesting to look up some of the recent big shooters and see if they lived in sprawling suburbs i'm pretty sure the columbine kids did
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All city populations, from ancient Sumer on, breed below replacement. If cities were actually psychologically healthy, this would not be true.
Every people that concentrates itself into an urban space disappears into demographic oblivion. Urban civilizations only survive when they can renew themselves by bringing in new populations from rural areas.
>young adults thrive in cities where there is nightlife
Consider the people on this board user. How many of them do you think would have a good time at a nightclub? Have you not seen the posts all the time, every day, complaining about how normalfags love to do that stuff but they want no part of it?
>daytime activities and seasonal events
Such as what? Which of these are unavailable to suburbanites? Why do you deem them so essential?
>and clubs or stores relating to niche interests
Well with stores this might have been an argument before Amazon existed. Inventory takes up a lot of space and city real estate is very expensive. Anyone, city, suburban, or rural, has a far greater selection of niche products available to them online than they ever had or ever will have at physical stores. In which case having more specialized physical stores in a city isn't really much of an argument for living there.
Robots aren't isolated from others because of where they live, they're isolated from others because of who they are. Meeting new people is socially acceptable everywhere you go, not just in cities. Indeed that's a preoccupation of most normies, no matter where they are. And they accomplish it, even in fairly remote spots. In other words, your "move to the city" plan is solving exactly the wrong problem. If you don't enjoy going to a music festival in the suburbs, you won't enjoy going to one in the city.
Also if you're interested in reducing the impact of people on the environment through land use and carbon emissions, your first priority shouldn't be packing people in tighter - it should be birth control and stopping population growth to begin with.
PROBATION NIGGER!
lol
obviously there are people who will always be dysfunctional no matter where they are and may even prefer isolation but not everyone is a die hard 'robot'
my advice is more for someone who is living that kind of lifestyle but finds it unfulfilling
these sorts of people would find joy in moving to a vibrant urban area where they can socialise and express themselves while engaging with their peers through hobbies and interests or business and entrepreneurship
or just people looking for a job too
The type of mass shooting done by suburban white kids is hardly comparable to the shootings committed by city rats and ghetto suburbs. The suburban style of living still has community, just look at blacks and how they have block parties and shit. They also commit lots of crime. There are parks within walking distance of suburbs, a grocery store and gas station too, at least. Also, the less people go to clubs and bars, the better. Getting drunk and high contributes to violence more than staying home and playing video games, especially when young adults are doing the partying. Teens and young adults are inherently more prone to violence due to impulsivity in their brain. Alcohol and drugs should be consumed responsibly at home with a few close friends, not "out". What a retarded concept that people lashed on to, going to gatherings of hundreds of sweaty walking STDs on "molly" or pounding beers at the pub and cruising off down main street throwing bottles at old people, or whatever kids do nowadays that aren't solitary, indoor pursuits. Cities are garbage, the more physically isolated people become combined with endless distractions such as games, music, movies, streaming, etc the safer we will all be. The conspiracy that all this soitaiment being shoved down consumer's throats is correct; it's a pacifier. Keep the goyim docile and at home. Whether this is being done to nefarious ends or not isn't the issue. The idea behind is true.
in the future we'll all be hooked up to feeding machines and living through virtual reality
>suburbs are designed for cars and do not consider human behaviour or psychology at all
Not the case in the UK. Get out of your ass
yeah this is more for people in the us
bumping this thread for being genuinely redpilled and good overall
its not like Communism did a great favor to this world, overall there are no political ideologies that work 100% well and satisfy everyone, you get what you get.
Even fucking feudalism was more fair that capitalism is. At least the serfs got half the year off.
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...Cooking up some wicked schemes are we?
;-)
Suburbs are based off the simple psychological concept that humans like to have plenty of space to live. Humans tend to detest living in a tiny shoe box apartment with three other roommates. You've clearly never lived in a city if you think that people just walk up and make conversation in so-called "community centers". That is something that I've only seen happen in small towns. In summary, cities are only good for single twenty somethings who have a lot of money. Or ghetto niggers.
Yeah shitty cheap soul crushing commie blocks are so much better you weatard limpwrist
And here we have a perfect example of someone thinking the only alternative to capitalism is communism, as per my post. LMAO
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Most mass shooters are tyrones and pacos from da hood and not the suburbs
You got a DUI. You deserve to die for risking the lives of others.
>anarcho feminism is the future ya'll
why would the people running the show in this reality give a shit if you were fed or entertained?
you're going to get slaughtered like a sheep if you live to the future
>This is in sharp contrast to the inner city ghettos, where the sense of community is so deep in the people that they formed neighborhood gangs
Those ghetto people form gangs to commit crimes, not to meet with "community members". And they kill and hurt members of their community. What's up with liberals being "tough on crime" when it comes to mass shootings but not anything else? Is it because that's the one thing they can blame on suburban white kids?
>I hate the Jews sooooo much
>WTF YOU DON'T WANT GOLDBERG TO BUY AN EXTRA YACTH THIS QUARTER YOU FUCKING LIBTARD COMMIE
Almost convinced Jow Forums are just Jews themselves. They want an ethnostate, love capitalism, try to pivot away from arguments that they cannot refute, and love to play the victim any chance they can get.
:-D
well that's a bleak outlook
>IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH MY LIMPWRIST ANARCHO FAG IDEOLOGY YOU LITERALLY HATE JOOOOS AND ARE FROM POL
Notice how even when the Jew's strawman is pointed out, it doubles down and pretends it wasn't doing just that.
What other possible reason could someone have for defending the capitalist system Jews use to control the economy and your lives?
>Capitalism is the immoral distribution of capital_ Germany will become free at that moment when the thirty millions on the left and the thirty millions on the right make common cause. Only one movement is capable of doing this: National Socialism, embodied in one Fuhrer - Adolf Hitler.
Goebbels' "Lenin or Hitler" speech first delivered on September 17, 1925
>I LOVE ANARCHISM AND JOOS AND HATE POL OH SHIT LEMME POST NAZIS SO YOU CAN HOW BASIERT UND ROTGEPILLT I AM
>if you don't want to tear down the remnants of western civilization and let jews fill the vacuum they've been trying to create for hundreds of years you're a jew
>watch I'll quote a Nazi, you guys are all Nazis right?
>Western civilization LITERALLY stated in the early 1800s with industrialization
If you are going to keep using strawmen then it's easy for me to do the same. The fact is if you defend capitalism, you defend the Jew. They are the ones who control capital, they are the ones who benefit from interest, they are the ones who use capital to control your lives and make you indebted to their business.
You are not intelligent enough to recognize this for yourself, and were brainwashed into believing that if you are not a capitalist you MUST be a communist. No doubt the people who brainwashed you were Jews themselves, pretending to be National Socialists or something else.
Continue to defend the tools the Jews use to control you though, I'm sure your forefathers are looking down on you with pride right now, in your room arguing for Jewish created economic systems.
i live close to and work in a city and have had people talk to me spontaneously or have seen strangers interact randomly in public all the time
it's not uncommon at all especially if you go to the right places like a bar rather than a quiet restaurant or something
and yeah suburban houses may be larger but for young singles they would either be unaffordable or it would be uncomfortable for them to live in a family size home alone
also you don't necessarily have to have roommates or live in a tiny apartment if you shop around and cast a wide net you'll likely find something decent and affordable
>western civilization started in the 1800s
I'm sorry that your school was so terrible.
I'm not the one who claims removing capitalism is "tearing down the remnants of western civilization"
I don't think you're really too autistic to see the bigger picture. I think you're a double-talking, glow in the dark, kike.
Great post. This is the source of most user's depression. I was so lucky to be born in a major city and only truly felt robot level despair when I was moved out to the suburbs.
You've yet to refute me. Notice how when I call you a kike, I give logical reasons why you're a kike. You simply call me a kike.
Which is a real kike more likely to do? Explain how capitalism benefits the Jews, or just call people kike?
Really makes you think, doesn't it?
Why are you blaming jews for the fact you don't live in a city, retard? Just fucking move instead of blaming a race of people who have little if anything to do with it.
Refute what, you nigger?
Western civilization didn't start in the 1800s and I don't want to movie into Jew ant cities and eat onions burgers.
This slapfight about capitalism is a diversion. Intelligent people can succeed under capitalism whether or not they're a connected Shekelberg.
Actually Jews have a lot to do with deciding policy for everyone who isn't Jewish (in America at least, but also parts of Eurogay) do your homework fucktard
Why would you want "space" if you have nothing interesting to do or no one to do it with?
I've lived in tiny shoebox apartments in queens NY with roommates and it's great. You make friends, have people to play vidya with, share interests, we even made some comedy sketches on youtube. Much better than staying home and playing Apex Legends in a giant empty room with a bunch of disembodied voices.
>Western civilization didn't start in the 1800
Yes, that's the point. Western civilization isn't capitalism, and the majority of what we'd call "Western Civilization" was feudalism.
>I don't want to movie into Jew ant cities and eat onions burgers.
>This slapfight about capitalism is a diversion. Intelligent people can succeed under capitalism whether or not they're a connected Shekelberg.
see ">if you don't want to tear down the remnants of western civilization and let jews fill the vacuum they've been trying to create for hundreds of years you're a jew"
Funny how capitalism is western civilization now. And yes, I know you're the other poster, but you willingly ignore this post.
Policy isn't preventing you from moving to a city. You're just retarded. Stop blaming other people and move to somewhere less shitty. Do something with your life.
>feudalism is better than capitalism
anti semitism is a hell of a drug...
yeah i really think it is a big contributing factor to a lot of mental health issues especially depression
i'm sure there are people who are depressed in the city and people from the suburbs who will remain depressed even if they move to the suburbs but for the people who are living in suburban isolation and melancholy with no serious separate issues they really should just move and fix it
*if they move to the city
>i'm sure there are people who are depressed in the city
There definitely are, but they can go out on a whim and drink and party with like minded people and prolly even get laid. It's much more productive than whining on r9k and shitposting about jews until you start to believe it.
Good points. Suburbian life seems tranquil to me, a black man but you're right about the long roads. I had to walk to the store and work which took a half hour on average going and coming. Never again.
Most young people who live in the suburbs are either:
1. Successful people with wives and kids and all
2. Students in college towns
3. People still living with their parents
Can you guess which category the depressed people come from? How do you think some virgin can afford to live in an expensive city?
>How do you think some virgin can afford to live in an expensive city?
By humbling their fucking selves, renting a room in someone else's apt, and working a shit job to pay for it. By not being too much of a pussy to meet someone from a craigslist post. It's literally how I got out of my parents' basement in the suburbs.
shop around and be prepared to move where the prices are low even if it's far away from your hometown
do your research though make sure the place is safe and has job prospects don't just go for the first affordable place you see
also you could consider affordable living situations like a room in a sharehouse or shared apartment or get creative and try things like house sitting which could even potentially earn you money
you can also find cheap hostels which claim to have maximum stay lengths of like a month or so but they don't enforce them and you can pretty much stay there indefinitely while you look for a more permanent place to live
also look into gypsy housing or "urban collectives" and stuff like that. You'll share a house or apt with people in similar situations. Sometimes they're weird but sometimes they're cool. One time this qt indian chick moved into my house for a summer internship and we fucked several times no strings attached.
you can also try pod sharing but that might be a little too full on for most people especially if they're recovering from social isolation