Tell us how pathetic you are

>23
>GD since I was 6
>never told anyone because I will be stoned
>barely managed to get a degree
>can't work or function properly due to crippling gender dysphoria
>friends and parents are transphobic
>afraid to go to therapy
>will never pass as well

>minimum wagie
>college dropout
>cant maintain a relationship for more than a couple weeks
>cyberstalking some canadian girl who guys by the discord tag oui oui

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Actually, I forgot I am going back to school this fall so I'm not really a drop out anymore I guess

>alcoholic
>fap/porn addict
>literally beat my dick red raw
>dry skin, torn frenelum, can't even fap anymore

>so fucking avpd i can't talk to anyone properly
>people regularly treat me like a special needs case even though i'm not retarded/autistic, just extremely beta

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How come you haven't tried improving yourself? Or getting help?

I'm transitioning, so that's an improvement

Youll always be a man but as long as you recognize this I wish you good luck.

Just transition back to your original gender. Seems logical to me.

My stepmother found a year old suicide letter. I've been labelled as a manic depressive by my parents and im getting forced to go to the doctor with them.

Feeling too depressed to work and at this point I'm probably going to voluntarily go to a pshych ward.

Why would I want to be depressed and suicidal again? Don't be silly user

I can be feminine without being a girl.

So are you gay? why can't you just be content with that?

Please join the 40% already

Yes but just transitioning into another gender isn't going to solve that. Seems like therapy and drugs might help better.

Does it matter? People are going to call me what they want. I want to get to a point where they naturally treat me like a girl. If they treat me like a guy then oh well.

It literally solved it though.

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>afraid to go to therapy
What are you afraid of?

>It literally solved it though.
How so? Can you explain this? How does one go from being suicidal to ok by just changing gender. This sounds like a scam.

Because my depression and desire to kill myself stemmed from the fact I had to repress my dominant feminine traits, effectively making it impossible to express myself.
Don't need people to call me a girl to transition and be happy. Hell, don't even need girl clothes, but I hope some day to be able to pass as a really ugly girl.

>Does it matter?
Yeah it does. maybe you were once straight/bi but porn addiction has ruined your mind into wanting to be a girl. If you transition, you'll be spending the rest of your life trying your best to look/act exactly like a girl, but no matter how closely you resemble one you will never be a female. It would be a smarter decision to get to the root of your dysphoria and help you feel better about who you are.

What do you think is the definition of a woman? Asking your opinion here, not dictionary definition

>but porn addiction has ruined your mind into wanting to be a girl
I've fapped 3 times since I transitioned, and I've never fapped to myself as a girl. Your projection is wrong.

> you'll be spending the rest of your life trying your best to look/act exactly like a girl, but no matter how closely you resemble one you will never be a female
You act like that's a problem. I want to be feminine. I can't magically make myself a TRUgrill if I am biologically male.

>It would be a smarter decision to get to the root of your dysphoria and help you feel better about who you are.
That's what transitioning is user, realizing you aren't a label like "male" or "female", and you're free to act like a fruit even if you have a dick.

A label you're given based on your sex organs, that apparently determines everything about your life, personality, and being. Seems kinda silly doesn't it?

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Ok so you have feminine traits but does that really make you a girl? I have feminine traits too but I don't view myself as a woman.
Do you think there's a possibility that you were too hypnotized by society's retarded ideals of what makes a man a man? And do you think that you are feeling this way because of these dumb ideals?

>famous in my town for being a drug addict tweaker with a big cock who raw doged some slut in a park
> get approached everywhere all the time now its like im a local celebirty
yikes i just wanted to be left alone and now i cant

>Ok so you have feminine traits but does that really make you a girl?
Do you think it's up to me if someone wants to call me a girl or a boy? Because it's not my choice.
If I get feminine enough that people treat me like a girl, that'd be ideal. But if not? I don't care. I need my femininity to be happy, and I will express it regardless of what people think.

>Do you think there's a possibility that you were too hypnotized by society's retarded ideals of what makes a man a man?
I think robots are stuck up on that, not me. If I wanted to be masculine I could easily do that. In fact it'd be easier than feminizing myself, seeing as my sex is male.

>26yo now NEET
>always a loner
>college dropout with severe social anxiety
>wasted life on arts (even if I make some money off my music, it's still a pathetic failure from a normie perspective)
>diet consists on rice, cookies and energy drinks
>white from eurasian family living in Argentina (next Venezuela) , Korean boy haircut, average looking but with a pseudo lazy eye (not that bad tho butmakes everyone threat me like a down syndrome retard)
>I only had sex with my oneitis that I knew for 9 years, we were in a 2year relationship until she broke up with me 6 months ago. Still can't get over her.
>No friends since 2014
>everything I've interest in is barely monetizable (ex. Philosophy)
>reached rank 76 in America Dota 2 (7k hours played), now I play starcraft2 and wow classic. But yes, I'm a gamer retard. I would have a few degrees with the time I wasted on online competitive gaming
>still trying to quit porn/fap
>not chasing girls anymore
>feel alienated, I leave my home once a week to buy groceries at night.

Russian therapy is shit, they might tell some bad guys to beat me/tell my family about this without my permissoin and other bullshit.
Why? I just want to live a life.

>Digitally self harm
nani the fuck

>If I wanted to be masculine I could easily do that. In fact it'd be easier than feminizing myself, seeing as my sex is male.

Are you the same as OP? Because you made a thread talking about how pathetic you were and how you'll never pass

I thought op meant slitting your fingers by digital self harm

That's called "digital self harm".
I can't know if I'll pass or not until the hormones take effect.

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It just sound like you're a male with feminine traits. I don't get how this makes you trans?
If you're into men, it just makes you a gay, feminine man. I'm not trying to hate on you here user, but I just don't get it.

You don't get it because you're attaching too much importance to gender. Just because I'm biologically male doesn't mean anything. Why can I not wear a skirt as a guy, or wear makeup? Or shave all the hair off my body? The only thing "stopping" me is what other people think. Since I don't care too much about what they think, why stop myself?

Right.. I am getting the impression you're baiting for angry replies but i cant be sure why youre doing it. have you had any surgeries/operations yet?

one day i beat my dick so hard and cummed inside of my own penis. Since then i have prostate problems and can't even masturb8 more than 8 seconds.

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I'm going to keep my dick, unless they can magically give me a semi-functional vagina from some dead girl/lab.
I'm not baiting for replies, like I said, people here are too stuck up on gender. It LITERALLY does not matter what label people give you.

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Well if youre keeping it I guess you can always change back. the trouble with people like you is because you dont want to really change i.e. improve your mental health, you're dead set on transitioning. you can't help someone that doesn't want help, and im more irritated by the fact that you're just attention whoring rn considering your mind is already made up

What would your definition of girl be? What about female?

Why would I stop doing the one thing that has improved my mental health after 20 years of trying everything else?
You are assuming what I'm doing is bad for me in some way, when it has been one of the biggest improvements in my life up to this point. Think about this from my perspective user.

Both labels that are applied to you by others, which are not determining factors of who you are as a person, even if they certainly influence.
Is that a good definition?

>HS dropout
>KHH virgin
>extremely weak, both socially and physically
>my biggest achievements of the last months are illegally trespassing, spraying grafitti and consuming drugs and I'm actually proud of these
>come to a point where I willfully act and think narcissistically and actively vilify everyone in order to feel greater
>I see insulting others or confrontations as extreme battles
>come to a point where I have to tell myself my stupidity is an advantage

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>Why would I stop doing the one thing that has improved my mental health after 20 years of trying everything else?

I don't care about that. I don't care if you're an actual tranny or not, I'm just irritated that you're using whatever it is as an opportunity to bait people who may have actually been trying to talk seriously about it. this is why people on Jow Forums hate trannies

I identify as trans online. I don't tell people anything offline. Does that make me a "real tranny"? I'm unlikely to identify as a woman any time soon.

>Does that make me a "real tranny"? I'm unlikely to identify as a woman any time soon.
I just told you I don't care

I don't necessarily agree but that certainly is a valid/interesting take on it. If you don't mind me asking, why do you have to change from a man to a woman when you take hormones. Why not stay a man but with female sex organs? Honestly want to know what you think

ok so the solution is to stop hiding those feminine traits but stay a guy. trying to be something you aren't will eventually cause you to break and stop, but that works in 2 ways; you're not a girl so don't try to be one of those, but also don't force yourself to act more masculine than you want to be. it's ok to be a feminine guy.

>Just because I'm biologically male doesn't mean anything. Why can I not wear a skirt as a guy, or wear makeup? Or shave all the hair off my body?
You can do all of these things and still be considered a boy. Again, that doesn't seem like you're trans tho. Just a boy that's feminine. Again, how does this make you trans?

Also you didn't answer my question. Please answer it because it might not matter to you, but I really want to know what you think.
Do you think you feel this way because of society's definitions of gender?

Hormones make your skin thinner, change your sex drive, give you (almost always small) breasts, and a more feminine figure. They also drastically slow down the growth of body hair, and eventually thin out the hairs that do grow, making them less visible.
It also ensures I will not succumb to male pattern baldness. More than anything it allows me to feel a stronger connection between mind and body, as my body is closer to what I'd ideally want, but can never truly have.

>You can do all of these things and still be considered a boy. Again, that doesn't seem like you're trans tho. Just a boy that's feminine. Again, how does this make you trans?
I already told you how I feel. I don't care about labels too much. I use the "trans" label online because it gets the point across. Everywhere else people just treat me how they treat me. Some people online refer to me as a girl, others a guy. If were able to pass, people would simply treat me like a girl without me having to do anything special.

>Also you didn't answer my question. Please answer it because it might not matter to you, but I really want to know what you think.
>Do you think you feel this way because of society's definitions of gender?
I'm assuming this is the question you wanted answered? Either way
If society didn't care about gender I would be acting the same way I am now. I feel this way because I feel this way. I like being a fruit, and trying to express my femininity.
The only thing society does is make me worry about getting attacked or harassed if I try to pull off something too feminine for my figure and stature. If I didn't have to care about that I'd wear long skirts daily.

How am I not being a guy right now though? Because I said I'm trans? Or is it the hormones?
I'm doing what I prefer to do, and that also happens to involve taking hormones. I'd be happy if people identified me as female, but like I said I don't expect it, and it's not required for me to be happy with myself.

the hormones are just gonna make you into an abomination. just stop.

nice fucking 666 trips dud

Definition guy. Correct me if I'm wrong but you would prefer a body that has characteristics of someone with two X chromosomes, yeah?
So why not take hormones but remain a male (I don't really care what you do, your body etc but I'm trying to understand) with those characteristics?
You've already told me that you believe the terms 'woman', 'girl' and 'female' are mostly arbitrary terms used by other people that don't define or reflect you so why are you giving them credit by showing people you believe that boobs = woman.

>I use the "trans" label online because it gets the point across.
Ok this actually helps a lot for me to understand now. I still don't believe that you are trans tho, or that trans is even a real thing anymore. To me, you're still just a guy that like "feminine things". Is that transphobic?

I'll be a guy with gyno and thicc hips at worst.

>Definition guy. Correct me if I'm wrong but you would prefer a body that has characteristics of someone with two X chromosomes, yeah?
Yes.

>So why not take hormones but remain a male (I don't really care what you do, your body etc but I'm trying to understand) with those characteristics?
That's why I'm trans. I can't change my biological sex. I can feminize the body I was given though, even if It will never be perfect.

>You've already told me that you believe the terms 'woman', 'girl' and 'female' are mostly arbitrary terms used by other people that don't define or reflect you so why are you giving them credit by showing people you believe that boobs = woman.
Fat guys have boobs. Males with gyno have boobs. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Zembic
This guy got breasts for $100,000 and kept them after he won the bet. He not a woman because he has boobs.
My bf likes boobs, and I want him to be able to have something to grab and bury his head into.

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Some people would say it's transphobic. Most trannies are stuck up on gender. They try to be women, even though they never had the experiences that cis women have had.
Biologically there's no reason for girls to wear skirts. Some of the most ancient civilizations (such as Crete and Egypt) had skirts as something both males and females wore.
Maybe if trannies stopped getting hung up on this things would go better for us.

Fuck wouldn't that be swell? My current wagecuck pay is just enough to fund my tramadol habit.

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What I meant was, why are you changing your label from male to female. Why not keep the label male for yourself but have typically female characteristics?
By changing your label from male to female are you not showing that you believe those terms are based on your sex organs and that females have vaginas/boobs whereas males have penises?
And also, who do you believe gets to define what 'feminine' is? Like if a genetic male only wanted to do typically feminine things, would they be a female? (Or should they be a female?) Does society define the term 'feminine' or is it relatively unchanging now?

>What I meant was, why are you changing your label from male to female. Why not keep the label male for yourself but have typically female characteristics?
Online it's hard to tell what gender someone is. So specifically identifying as trans gets people a more accurate idea of how I think about myself.

>By changing your label from male to female are you not showing that you believe those terms are based on your sex organs and that females have vaginas/boobs whereas males have penises?
Biologically males have a penis, females have breasts and a vagina. I don't think I argued against that.

>And also, who do you believe gets to define what 'feminine' is? Like if a genetic male only wanted to do typically feminine things, would they be a female? (Or should they be a female?) Does society define the term 'feminine' or is it relatively unchanging now?
There is too much to say on this topic, and much of it requires you to have some knowledge of esoteric religious beliefs.
This graph should at least suffice for now. The list is infinite, and you can debate what traits belong to what pole.
The point is we all have the two essences within us. Our "Yin and Yang". Yin being the feminine essence, Yang being the masculine essence.

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based argentinian, you sound like me

>There is too much to say on this topic, and much of it requires you to have some knowledge of esoteric religious beliefs.
>This graph should at least suffice for now. The list is infinite, and you can debate what traits belong to what pole.
>The point is we all have the two essences within us. Our "Yin and Yang". Yin being the feminine essence, Yang being the masculine essence.

Yeah I kind of understand this, but you're saying you believe that there are (typically) functional differences in the 'qualities' of the sexes? (That are not social constructs)

>Online it's hard to tell what gender someone is. So specifically identifying as trans gets people a more accurate idea of how I think about myself.

Just to clarify, if someone asked your gender/sex (is there a difference?) would you say 'trans' or 'female' or 'mtf'?

>Biologically males have a penis, females have breasts and a vagina. I don't think I argued against that.

So you would define a female as someone with xx chromosomes or someone who could pass as someone with xx chromosomes? Does the difference matter?

Also do you believe that there are functional mental different between the sexes?

Out of these options which would you prefer? (Or which combination)

A) To have a genetically xx body
B) To pass for having a genetically xx body
C) To have a genetic xy body but people think of you as female/a woman

D)For people to think of you as female
E) For people to think of you as male but not mind your body/mannerisms
F) For people to think of you as a man who transitioned

Sorry if my grilling is rude or insensitive, I just want to understand this. Also, if it means anything, I just realised my mental image of you is female and I've been thinking of you as a woman without realising it. Mightn't respond til tomorrow.

>mentally ill faggot making fun of other mentally ill faggots
circus in town?

>Yeah I kind of understand this, but you're saying you believe that there are (typically) functional differences in the 'qualities' of the sexes? (That are not social constructs)
"Feminine" and "Masculine" are misleading here. Those are two poles of the same concept. Likewise everything is polar in nature, even if we do not understand the poles or their connecting essence.
I've been told the act of creation is feminine, while my rational mind is masculine. Can you prove that right? What if the poles are flipped? Does it really matter if the poles are flipped?
It's not such a clear cut distinction, though we try to identify what's what.

>Just to clarify, if someone asked your gender/sex (is there a difference?) would you say 'trans' or 'female' or 'mtf'?
Online? Transwoman, or transgirl. In person? If I didn't know them I'd say male, just because I don't know if they're going to kill me or not.
In the future perhaps I won't have to say I'm male. Maybe I'll say I'm trans, or maybe even female. I don't know what the future holds.

>So you would define a female as someone with xx chromosomes or someone who could pass as someone with xx chromosomes? Does the difference matter?
Biologically? Yes, that's the definition we use in English. Having easy ways to refer to the difference such as "Male" and "Female" just works. People like to apply that to lots of things not related to their chromosomes though, which is just learned behavior that usually has no biological basis.

>Also do you believe that there are functional mental different between the sexes?
Due to hormones, yes. I've experienced both. Inherent? Maybe. Excess esterone in the womb is one theory explaining MtF people.

>Out of these options which would you prefer? (Or which combination)
AD

>Sorry if my grilling is rude or insensitive
I think you're being polite and understanding. And thanks user.

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>fellow dotard
Nice. Im only rank 2000 SEA though.