If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. gaming, video rditing, VM work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g. photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600/K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G >R3 2200G - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) or for gaming WITHOUT a graphics card >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 / i7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000+ MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Crypto-currency miners have driven GPU prices up or depleted stock 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050 Ti- 140 USD; 1060 3GB- $200; 1060 6GB- $230; RX 570 4GB- $170; RX 580 4GB- $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080 Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p >GTX 1080 Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider M.2 form factor
I asked way late in the last thread so I'll post again.
I have an NVME based Samsung SSD incmy motherboards m.2 slot. It uses x4 pcie lanes. These lanes are shared with the various tiny pcieX1 slots on my board. If I populate a pcieX1 slot with a WiFi card, will it simply slow down the m.2 SSD down to x3 lanes? Or will it not even work at all
Your mobo most likely has more than 4 pcie lanes...checn specifications to be sure.
If using a PCIe SSD disables the slots, nothing in them will work. Even if the board has free lanes they are usually in preset configurations that you aren't able to change.
having trouble with a cm masterliquid 240 aio with LGA 1151 on a z370g asus motherboard, temps are so high
I thought I had a bad seat but reseated it like 10 times, the lowest I got it was 45c at idle,it jumped to 60 so Im sure the seating is as close as possible at 45c
I let it run for awhile and it hit 80/90 under load - I touched the hoses and they weren't even hot so I RMA'd the entire AIO for a replacement, I'm going to try and see if it's the pump but I have a feeling it's the Z370G mobo / masterliquid 240 being incompatible? I thought it only mattered which CPU socket - why won't it sit flush? i screwed in everything as tight as possible and the heatsink thing still wobbles
So i'm considering getting a i5-8400 when ever i goes on special. probably at the end of the year. I'm sure I'll be able to get a good 5 years worth out of it right? Also I've been watching bits of tech news for awhile and it doesn't look like for the next few years Intel will be able to out do there current products. What's your guys thoughts? I only want a cpu for gaming and emulation. I'm rather attracted to getting a ryzen really and personally think I should hold out for Zen 2's equivalent of the r5 1600... Though as I said i'm only a gaymer.... so... Any advice?
Yea it does. The board is an Asus X370 Crosshair VI. Has 16 pcie 3.0 lanes and 4 pcie 2.0. the 4 2.0 lanes are meant specifically for the bottom most x16 slot and the 3 x1 slots. Or the m.2 slot. Not all of them as this user said Now I just have to consider getting rid of the m.2 SSD entirely in favor of using the lanes for a sound card and wireless card, or just put the wireless card in the 2nd gpu slot (knocking my primary card down to only using 8 lanes instead of 16).
I honestly think I'm just going to sell/repurpose my 500GB 960 EVO. I'm not fully 100% utilizing it's speed anyway.
Answer these please What CPU do you have? Are you overclocking? Have you delidded? Are you able to refund/RMA your cooler? I suggest that you check your grammar holy shit If the industry becomes more multicore-friendly the 8400 makes less sense than the 1600 because the price/thread is much higher. The 2600 will probably be a safer choice if you're willing to wait for it.
>i7 8700k at stock >no delid but thinking about it >already RMA'd cooler +new one shipped two days ago so should see if it's fixed
if I delid , what's the best 'liquid metal' paste to use? thermal grizzly?
Definitely a problem with the socket or cooler, since you aren't delidding we can rule out mounting pressure issues from that. If the new cooler doesn't sit right you may have to use something else to hold the block onto the IHS. Conductonaut seems to be a popular choice, I'm not familiar with the process though.
>8400 makes less sense than the 1600 because the price/thread is much higher Shit I missed that out. I thought the 8400 and 1600 had the same thread count. Thanks.
>If the industry becomes more multicore-friendly AMDrones has been saying this over a decade. Nobody waste their talent utilizing 12 threads for your manchildren's toys.
Intel sure seems to care a lot
>AMDrones has been saying this over a decade. lol that's why intel hasn't jumped onto the more cores. More cores also make it btter for game developers. The market's also needed and wanted it but Intel was to much of a Jew to step up so AMD to initiative
Well, lately Intel has been advocating the same, that the industry should shift focus onto multithreaded performance rather than the previous standard of high load on a few threads. This is of course due to their 10 nm process unfortunately going to shit, so now they have to resort to the AMD-way of doing things by adding more cores.
the backplate was such a bitch to get in, the shit just refuses to clamp down nicely, I even set the 4 sides to 1151 setting and it still wouldnt go in right
Koa is cute! CUTE!!!
Who makes non-shitty mobos? Have had two ASRocks fail, so don't suggest them.
Everybody has dud boards and generally if you spend more you get more
ASUS. Always ASUS.
>802.11ac >802.11n >2.4 GHz & 5 GHz
Even if you have potatoe wifi at home this is a good choice because of future proofing.
>More cores also make it btter for game developers. you're retarded. making multithreading is hard as fuck, especially over several threads. even 5 years from now 90% of games not from AAA developers aren't going to use more than 4 cores simply because it's too hard to do and requires too much effort.
They did it on consoles
That's what I figured too. On a 250 down and 50 up connection using a Linksys WRT1200AC router. This should be enough for 2 people to stream, browse, and download right? Or would I need a better router?
We're looking at gigabit connections as well.
I've sent a message to ASRock's technical support and apparently I'm supposed to receive an automated email response telling me that the message has been received. I've sent three messages and waited 30 minutes but there have been no responses. Is this normal? Should I wait longer or contact them using another method?
Any suggestions for a Full Tower case? I want a CM Storm Trooper old model, but they aren't in stock and the new "SE" model with tempered glass is lacking the defining features of the classic model (shit ton of HDD drive bays, hidden toolbox...etc.), as well as making it worse (vertical HDD whether you like it or not).
Please not a "box" like most PC cases, they look awfully plain. I like the Storm Trooper because it has a handle and it is not a damn rectangle.
>Old model not in stock Really? Huh. Guess I got a rare case now. The OG trooper is nice. I actually like the layout and the number of ports in the front panel is nice. Having eSATA right on the front is cool.
It's not rare, it's just a 6 year old design that works and holds up really well. It's not in stock anywhere sadly, online or offline. Ebay has sketchy listings, and although Amazon.co.uk has it through a few vendors, I don't think they will ship to my country (not UK or EU)
If worse comes to worse, I will have to buy the shitty new SE model and drill holes to accommodate one of the old 4-in-1 HDD brackets, and a toolbox built from scratch since CM are retarded enough to not have one of the best features as a spare part. That being said, I will kill myself if they release a "revision 2" of the SE with the old features returning.
I would suggest one of the CM ones, but they are not "simplistic" design.
You do realise consoles need multi core because of price. You do realise consoles bring in the mist revenue for devs You do realise AMD has a monopoly on the console market You do realise they'll be coding games mostly for consoles thus multi core is the future
Dont trust amdrones. 1600 will never get better than what it currently is, supbar totrhe 8400.
if you're wasting money on one, get one that is already binned and dellided with liquid metal TIM
Threadripper is better for multithreaded stuff, 8700k is equal for gaming.
So what is the 7980XE's niche?
I would possibly go for the 8700k, but the "older" socket limits my options for upgrading later on.
>7980's niche There is none. Anything seriously multi-thread dependant would be done better by Xeon with proper ECC support, or a threadripper for less money. For gaming, the 8700k or 8600k would do just as well with 1/4th the power consumption/heat output. The 7980XE is literally just Intel's attempt at showing an alternative to Threadripper. Bragging rights that fall completely flat.
>(disposable incomefag herehows $50 bruv. I've have fallen on hard times.
Why? The 8400 single thread is only 5-8% faster than ryzen. But ryzen has 12 threads
>You do realise AMD has a monopoly on the console market only because they were cheaper than intel. and their profit margins from consoles are fucking laughable. it's not a monopoly, intel could easily kick them out if they wanted to. >You do realise they'll be coding games mostly for consoles thus multi core is the future you're retarded. xbox one with 8 jaguar cores was released 5 years ago. surely that 'future' you speak of should already be here. fucking amd drones with their pathetic excuse 'b-but it'll b-be better few y-years from now!'.
closer to 20% actually. ryzen is still way behind in gayming performance.
They both have 6 cores. The hyperthreading isnt better for gaming than the raw per core performance with less threads. 4c4t intel i3s are beating our 12t in games most the time. The threads dont really matter
>for gaymang I don't game at all, I'm interested purely in development with neural networks (and also the VR porn, which is more of a 5K HEVC video decoding thing).
You're thinking Xeon + ECC RAM would be better, then?
I pulled the number out of my ass kinda Like I think you did but looking at it like pic related it looks about 10% I've seen other results and the 8400 always seems to be about 15fps ahead of 1600 I think ryzen plus will close the gap though. And I really don't see Intel bringing anything decent for the next to years as its 8th series was rushed out of the doors. They win with negligible results though. Also fuck Intel. Though I am drawn to the performance as my intentions are future proofing. But the 50/50 with games harnessing more threads is getting to me. There are already a couple of them using multi threads
Buying something subpar with the intention of upgrading it in less than 2 years used to be the opposite of future proofing.
I think we have at least 5 (likely more) years before 8 threads for a game is required given 6 threads isnt required currently. I dont see the 1600 suddenly passing the 8400 on average in games in 5 years
*passing the 8400 on average in games before 5 years
How would Intel kick them out? With predatory tactics by selling their hardware at a loss to kick them out of the market? >xbone So you think all the porting problems don't need work?
>Buying something subpar with the intention of upgrading it in less than 2 years used to be the opposite of future proofing. Huh? I don't follow... Yeah I got that feeling too The 8400 is insane value for money hey. Those mobo's are coming out soon so I think I'll just grab it. And the best thing about it aswell is I don't have to worry about high speed ram to get the best performance out if it like ryzen.
AMDrones boast about being able to upgrade their cpu without having to change mobo untill 2020, despite missing out on new motherboards features. It's 'future proof' according to them.
Yeah that is kinda retard. How is it future proofing if amd said they'll stick to am4 till 2020. That's only 2 years away. That isn't future proofing. Also not to mention of the potential of am4 holding back zen 2 and 3 capabilities. Having to fuck with the bios is just retarded. But atleast amd is helpful with that
Yeah i went with 3000mhz ram cl15. It gives me a little over a 2666mhz kit but it isnt a lot. Also get an m9i coller for the 8400, its 20 bucks and well worth it. The stock cooler works but the m9i can do burn tests and stay below 70c
I want to get an AIO to put in my meshify c and overclock my r7. Is the kraken x62 a good choice?
Well anything with high core/thread count and ECC will be superior for Dev and AI purposes. Anything calculation heavy will benefit from ECC. Only go Xeon if you're really looking to burn money for no reason.
Or you could do the smart thing and get a threadripper 1950X 16c/32t, top tier X399 motherboard, and 64GB of ECC. All for less than half of what you'd spend on an equivalent Xeon setup for the same (if not better) performance.
Did you buy thermal paste yourself aswell? From were I'm from getting from overseas can be a bitch because of shipping and import tax so everything ends up roughly the same price if I had just bought it from one of the shops here. evetech.co.za/components/cpu-coolers-65.aspx This is a pretty good cheap website for here. You think that hyper212 would suffice? I'm not in with the money so I think I'll maybe just get better thermal paste
I used the paste that came with the m9i. Hyper212 is a better cooler, its bigger and costs more. My case couldnt fit it.
Alright. Thanks for the info. I've got a better idea of what I'm going to do now
Oh ok. Well then get the best Xeon you can afford with ECC memory.
1080p 144fps or 1440p 60fps?
I've slowly been collecting parts for a new build and I only have the CPU, mobo and RAM left, is it a bad time to buy those components with how fucked RAM prices are? I've been planning on getting the 1700 since I want something that's good value for the money which the 1700 is now when the price has gone down since release and I don't exactly need the latest and greatest CPU since basically any new quad core or better CPU will outperform my old 3570k.
I'll probably just have to go for it, I want 16 GB RAM but there's no point in buying another 8 GB DDR3 RAM for my current rig since the CPU is starting to show its age.
Good job though. How can they not provide an io shield in the box though? Were the on the QVL? Yeah I'm in the same boat. I can see getting CPU, mobo and ram is gonna cost me $500+. The shit thing is I have to buy them all at the same time cause if I get it separately and a component doesn't work returning is gonna be a lot harder
Dont go below 120hz no matter what you do. 60hz is painful
Got it straight from Amazon brand new, you tell me Thought it was a law to include these fucking things
>Thought it was a law to include these fucking things Lol common practice doesn't = law. Id tell you you should have corresponded with the seller first, but this isn't something anyone could have expected. Least you learnt your lesson
The 1050ti is really not recommended. As the other guy said, you can throw your CPU cooler out of the window with a 8400 and safe some money. You also wont have to worry that your 8600k will burn a hole into the VRMs of that cheapish MSI mobo once you start overclocking it.
Reality is if you're wanting to play modern games at 60FPS or higher you're going to a need a 1060 3gb or more. An RX 570 or 580 would also be great if you can get them on the cheap (580 8GBs floating around for $340 nowadays)
Just jam everything into an RL06, it might not look great but you're going to need every frame you can get with that 144hz monitor, and with Nvidias modern boost technology, better cooling = more frames.
Trying to collect parts for my first PC and I thought I'd stop by here and see if anyone would be willing to suggest a build.
>Budget - $1,000 >I NEED to game but it doesn't need to be special, 1080p 60fps is cool >I like messing around with music and video editors, if that's useful information >No monitor >No KB/M (although I do have a wireless logitech KB/M, I just want the complete package, ya feel?)
Forgive your fellow user for any retarded questions, this is all uncharted territory for me
This should leave you enough to get a good monitor if you want PSU is overkill but also barely more expensive than the 550W pcpartpicker.com/list/XRmxGG
Neato, thanks m8. It's nice to at least have a starting point
I'm absolutely retarded and should've posted the first fix instead pcpartpicker.com/list/78QP3b Being a phoneposter and handling the clipboard is hard
I'd swap the mobo for a Z370XP or a Z370 PC PRO
That's a perfect build that'll last you for awhile. I hope your planning to up your ram in the future cause 8gb is minimum now. With Intel it appears you'll lose 10% performance tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3437603/ddr4-single-channel-dual-channel.html If you go single channel but I think you should get 8gb single for now then in a month or so you can get another for dual channel 2x8gb cause considering how good the CPU is it won't kill you to slightly gimp it for a few months so you can get a better ram setup