why is arch not considered minimal? is it the memes?
Jose Walker
Where's the only ALSA paste mates.
Ethan Hernandez
Its packages aren't split, they are compiled with all use flags, so they are bloated af. Also literally void and crux is less of a meme than fucking arch is.
Ayden Flores
I would also add systemd and glibc as additional reasons.
But then again, you're going to install a browser, of which only chromium-derived and firefox-derived are viable alternatives, and that's going to be another ~50 packages and 100-200MB, so I don't know how much is it all relevant.
I think, instead we should discuss most viable ways of replacing chromium/firefox.
I was thinking of links + youtube-dl + mpv + xdg-open, but many things don't work because of JS.
Let's talk about web browsers. We need to find a viable alternative to replace chromium/firefox. Let's start with some requirements: >JS supports - a must to have many login-forms and websites functioning; it can of course be disabled >YouTube support - may be via youtube-dl + mpv >Graphical interface - in many sites, images are part of the content >Scripting/xdg-open support - to use external programs such as image/pdf viewers I would suggest discussing the provided alternatives in suckless.org/rocks and your experience with them
Daniel Stewart
one question, are console/ncurses programs minimalist? I am beginning to use moc, lfm and glances but I don't want to be part of your autism club.
am I minimalist?
Anthony James
You can use the Arch Build System if you want to be autistic about package splitting and USE flags. So those two points are just memes.
Dominic Flores
They are, even the most bloated ones are, because most common widget tool-kits are simply horrible unless it's pure Tcl/Tk.
What's that?
Jonathan Reyes
In other words: what graphical web browsers, that were not derivatives of Chromium/Firefox, have you tried, and what was your experience with them?
David King
netsurf is the best i can think of but its js support needs a lot of work and it needs the ability to call external programs
Exactly, add to calling external programs and js having vi like bindings and you have the perfect browser.
Joseph Wilson
alpine is cancer
David Miller
no u
Daniel Green
What about netrunner? Is it vaporware?
Henry Perry
wait, I don't get it, simplicity, small footprint and minimalism are completely different things that not necessarily go hand by hand. Also dependencies are important, I don't get this minimalism trend.
William Sanchez
You mean the browser that had a general in here some time ago?
Xavier Sanders
Why not just use qutebrowser?
Daniel Phillips
Stop shilling nigga, that thing has qt and python in it.
Alexander Cook
Archposting is equal to shitposting.
Michael Gonzalez
can you explain this for me? they having the all use flag means they gonna be split to multiple uses for another applications,right? idon't understand why arch is not considered minimal too, if you costumize the entire installation process! i never useit but they say is minimal in their site front page KISS and shit!
Ryder Martin
>want JS support, Youtube support, Graphical interface and scripting >but also wants it to all magically come from an ncurses browser comprised of a single C file
So use elinks and stop asking.
Julian Smith
It's just a big meme, friend. They just don't want people using the most popular minimal distro. That's what it comes down to; popularity.
Christopher Morris
Can we get NixOS netinst added to the list? It provides a unique., easily reproducible package system. It uses systemd, but so does fucking Debian
Jackson Reed
I just copied the pasted the text from last thread. Debian should be deleted IMO.
Luke Adams
This.
Nolan Martinez
>Debian should be deleted IMO. Well you can take out SystemD and make it minimal IMO. NixOS and other OSes can do it? Because if they can they should be added.
Brody Bell
systemd. Agreed. Put Devuan back in.
Levi Torres
Arch can do it
Oliver James
You mean you want to add Artix and Devuan?
Henry Ortiz
>Arch But I didn't ask about Arch. . .
Could be nice, and honorable mention to those OS that can be converted to minimal without SystemD like Debian.
Sebastian Lee
This infographic is bloated. 13 different distros to choose from is too much. Most of them can accomplish the same thing. There's no point in using anything besides Gentoo anyway.
Jose Price
Are functional langs, haskal in particular, considered minimal? I could see arguments for either desu.
Carter Torres
Debian is also systemd and allowed in the list
Adrian Moore
That was original OP who did that, uwu
Landon Watson
>There's no point in using anything besides Gentoo anyway. not having to fuck with the source would be one
Joshua Nelson
Haskell is not minimal per se, but it's great for writing small and extensible software See xmonad and xmonad-contrib
Jason Rogers
I understand SystemD as bloat but glibc is about the same performance-wise as MUSL in my experience, I couldn't install firefox from source due to a hardcoded glibc dep. MUSL hipsters go away
Well, call me when I can run Firefox Nightly or Waterfox using MUSL. Until then I'll keep using void glibc
Ethan Sanders
I second this idea.
Chase Brooks
First of all this is a minor issue, so there isn't a big difference. And on a side note, on Alpine Linux there is Firefox ESR patched for musl. Then again I found it slow and am using chromium instead.
I hope that QtWebEngine or WebKitGTK browsers like Falkon and Midori adopt WebExtensions. That way, we'd have telemetry and spying-free browsers that are quite a bit more /minimal/ than Firefox and Chrome and support our usual adblockers and privacy extensions like umatrix.
Eli Murphy
Reminder that the reason Firefox ESR needed to be patched for Alpine is because of Glibc's non-standards-compliant extensions.
Thomas Fisher
None of them. Get a debian netinstall, gentoo or arch. OP is a retard.
Brayden Ward
>debian,arch systemd >gentoo time-waste, but ok if you have time I only tried Alpine Linux. Here's some thoughts about it: First of all, use the Vanilla version, without any grsec snakeoil in the kernel. Otherwise gdb won't work. The core install (without ssh and ntp) is about 50 packages Of those you can remove acct (GNU accounting utilities) and dosfstools (you can still mount FAT32 and NTFS without them) Then you will probably need X, that comes at a cost of ~50 packages and is done by simply excuting /sbin/setup-xorg-base Then you will probably, besides a text browser, need firefox/chromium. Both are ~50 packages. If you're developing graphical applications, then all the X headers and dev-tools will be ~50 more packages mpv and youtube-dl will be ~20 packages if you want some custom alpine packages, the alpine-sdk will be ~30 more packages Then there will be lots of tiny extras (dwm, st, nano, man, scrot, cloc, feh, links, sic...) that will together amount of ~100 small packages All in all it's about 300 packages for my particular use (developing a suckless cowboy 3D game engine)
Easton Barnes
>developing a suckless cowboy 3D game engine Link?
Josiah Diaz
It's so early in development that it's not even separated from the game I use as a testbed streamable.com/d3s0u github.com/Mark-Weston/run I'm currently rewriting it, integrating the lessons I learned from the last rewrite
Nolan Myers
Yeah it's pretty minimal There's a complete game engine written in pure C but I never tried it: github.com/orangeduck/Corange
Thomas Cox
I know it. It's abandoned.
John Hill
those are called features kid, and they are good unlike musl garbage.
Nathan Lewis
What's the best minimal software to access my android files? What's your opinion on jmtpfs, go-mtpfs and simple-mtpfs?
Adrian Miller
Searching a good replacement for IrfanView (In WinCucks is the best for me) and stepped up on NoMacs. Seems pretty great although I will have to get used to. Someone tried it before?
Kayden Russell
I've looked around by myself. Here's my conclusion: >jmtpfs is not updated since Dec 2014 >go-mtpfs had a minor change 2 months ago, but it's basically not updated since May 2015 >simple-mtpfs last biggest change is from Apr 2016 >mtpfs doesn't look as well made as the other alternatives
I choose ADB. It's less practical, but whatever. If someone wants to try something I'd say to take a look at android-file-transfer. It's definitely up to date, it has a GUI (pro or cons? it's up to you) and it looks like a reasonable well made piece of software. An MTP client is more minimal than ADB, but I chose the most powerful tool instead.
Oh, and... happy easter everyone!
Xavier Barnes
No, they're called EMBRACE EXTEND EXTINGUISH
Leo Stewart
luakit best mg browser
Jordan Nelson
No, it's called bad programming practices, EEE makes no sense for free software
Adrian Kelly
Hold on your horses, not being worthwhile features is one thing, but accusing of EEE is too much. Can you politely ask the developers of glib and musl to come to an agreement?
EEE, or a form of it, can be applied. I think is called the golden handcuff or something like that, but the idea is create a dependence on certain software so you cannot replace it.
Jack Gonzalez
>still have a nonfunctional resolver >accusing glibc of EEE kek
Brody Phillips
I've been testing lately this pasta but I realized that AlsaMixer doesn't change the volume anymore. I guess alsamixer and amixer goes through pulseaudio and since I have not puleaudio can't control shit. How do you change volume without PulseAudio? Tried google a while and didn't come with anything. Thank you guys.
Angel Moore
What distro are you using? Make sure pulseaudio is removed entirely or you won't have audio.
Adam Cox
I do have audio. I'm using Void, and used the pasta recently. So everything works flawless until the moment I want to low the master volume, which I can tweak, but the real output doesn't change.
Dylan Lopez
Interesting, so your audio works but not the volume control. I remember it was something about having the sound card right on alsaequal, but you say you are using alsamixer which can't remember if it worked at all. Try alsaequal on the terminal.
Anthony Evans
alsamixer/amixer on Void works for me. I never installed Pulseaudio though.
John Collins
>I never installed Pulseaudio though. The curious thing is that I purged Pulseaudio long time ago, but I had .asoundrc in my home for a while to (allegedly) make Firefox have sound with the external card. When I purged I did xbps-purge -FfRvy so if I should had purged in other way I didn't.
I thought Alsaequal was only for AUR, when I checked the GitHub seems like the .asoundrc file is needed aswell. This means my issue comes from removing my old .asoundrc file?
Owen Butler
>Alsaequal was only for AUR Eh, I dont know man, I dont think alsaequal is that bleeding edge to deserve being in a github even. Maybe try removing the .asoundrc or whatever the guide says and you are golden.
Also >Maybe try removing the .asoundrc or whatever the guide says and you are golden. Yeah, that's the 1st thing I did and afterwards I have no volume control. Maybe I will recover it and mess around with it, since I think my issues are coming from there.
Ethan Miller
So I messed around with the .asoundrc file, and seems like the following configuration is the origin of firefox and mpv or whatever other output software not being able to share the external card. Yet, I still have no master volume through AlsaMixer/Amixer. pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "dmixer" }
Folks, I want to use a tiling windows manager, but I have two major problems. First, it will be very hard to get use to it; second, no one else will be able to use my computer Is there a way to use my actual DE and a tilling at the same time? I would like to have Xfce in tty7 and the tilling in tty6
Oliver Cox
Hello anons, maybe this is a question for /sqt/ but I'll try my luck.
I wanna try these minimal distros but I don't tend to use VM, what's the best one for windows as of today? Virtualbox or VMWare? Thanks.
Christopher Gray
I am trying tla (the GNU arch version control), is way more minimal on my system, 941 of size installed, compared to the 21946 of size from git. Is also low on dependencies and written in C.
Can you guys compare on your distros?
Dylan Richardson
StumpWM
Daniel Gonzalez
Welp, just in case someone was still curious, my last advances since I'm not trying for a while. Messed up around the .asound conf, seems like I was be able to use my card in certain times, but only under the Digital Device (I have speakers hooked up through optical so it shouldn't be like that) Then through losf I tested when was sharing sound and when it doesn't, and seems like by design it won't share but turn the sound through programs. Honestly, I think I'm more lost than before. My main targets were: >Using the external card (DGX Xonar) >Sharing sound through programs >Choosing default volume >Choosing default quality I have to be missing something important because not only I didn't get all my targets but I never get them together. Sorry for this blog post but I thought I have to inform the anons who helped me. Cheers bros.
Jaxson Ward
Thanks for the update, I am legit curious. Maybe check /proc/asound/modules and see which card you want in the asound.conf and put the minimum, my old configuration was pcm.!default { type plug card 1 }
ctl.!default { type hw card 1 }
timer.!default { type hw card 1 } But I got lucky with just alsa-base.conf and and deleting asound.conf from my home directory and from /etc.
Jack Diaz
you could try using subdevices like 1:1 or 1:2 whichever works
Noah Lee
Anyone using only Wayland? Thinking about dumping xorg bloat since most of my daily use programs are already ported. Also that sway wm is currently in the midsts of a 2 week havkathon, hopefully it doesn’t end up shit. Is sway bloated to begin with though?
Brayden Scott
>Hipster minimal >ReeeeBSD replace that shit with Dragonfly OP. FreeBSD is just as bloated as Linux now, and even their CoC is bloated. DragonflyBSD forked off before all that shit took over.
i'm trying to use fbi as an external image viewer in w3m but it won't load urls. it seems that with links, it'd download the image prior to viewing. is there a clever way to achieve this with w3m?
Kevin Brown
>EEE makes no sense for free software >t. Poettering
I ride for motherfucking mini mini gang life or death imma be in my minishit ain't nobody can stop this shit we on our way we all gonna make it.
Oliver Ward
you could just write a script that wgets the image and then runs fbi
Joshua Stewart
Yeah, use links.
Jace Rivera
test
Jaxon Reyes
Did it work?
Owen Hughes
what extension should I use for loading user js in palemoon?
Carter Davis
adding Hyperbola would be the best compromise imo: hyperbola.info/ >pacman + arch/aur repos + debian stability + security + privacy
Jaxon Cook
how can i scale and position mpv when vo=drm? i want it to not take up the full screen
Charles Morgan
I saw a thread the other day, they say it has libressl by default. Pretty cool distro, I might install it tomorrow.
Brandon Butler
OK so why there isn't a gaming only open source multiplatform linux based operating system. Only reason Windows is doing No.1 in Dow Jones is because of gaming.
Chase Hughes
Didn't they fork grsecurity?
Sebastian King
Is there an easy way to make LaTeX do this as easily as groff does? ITEM This is a test of the indented paragraph with a set space between an assigned first word (or set of words) which will be spaced from the body of text.
Which is made by just doing this: .IP "ITEM" 20 This is a test of the indented paragraph with a set space between an assigned first word (or set of words) which will be spaced from the body of text.
I know there's defined lists which can be done in Pandoc Markdown easily enough, but I can't work out how to make LaTeX render them like how these indented paragraphs work on groff.