/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Replace the 1300X with a 2600X, the Dark Rock 4 for a SE-AM4 NH-U12S or NH-D15, the memory for this faster one and the Seagate for a Caviar Blue
pcpartpicker.com/product/zgJkcf/gskill-memory-f43200c16d8gvk
hardocp.com/article/2018/04/30/be_quiet_dark_rock_4_cpu_air_cooler_review/3

You could get the cheaper Crosshair VII without Wi-Fi or the STRIX X470-F since you're getting an adapter, consider a MX500 250GB or 500GB

Why the 2600x? He would mostly be playing graphicly demanding games like forza, battfield, and light vr.

I went with the Wi-Fi board because I wanted to get rid of the adapter. He hasn't approved the mobo yet so that's why I left it on there. The other option was an Asus Strix.

Vega 64 is shit. Get 1070ti/1080ti instead.

/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General

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eh 2600X doesn't cost much more for triple the threads.

But if you're on a tight budget, probably wait for the 2300X and 2500X and b450 boards at the end of July?
The memory latency on Ryzen 1000 series makes it not quite as good for gaming.
But you're obviously not on a tight budget since you're getting the Crosshair...

> pcpartpicker.com/user/CoalH/saved/Wj9f8d
Doesn't the cooler come with decent thermal paste?
Why do you think the stock cooler isn't good enough?
$340 is too much to pay for an RX580
If you want a cheap good wifi board, get the ASRock X470 Master.

This is not a very good build, frankly. Makes no sense in a lot of ways when with clarification from

Adding to this: I'm really going for maximum upgradability.

This , there's no PSU in there but it's cute

The crosshair is still kind of up in the air and it seems like the the 1300x isn't really than much of a bottle neck on newer games. Also what would you recommend instead of the RX580?

The only 75hz monitors available in my country are priced the same as 144hz, unfortunately. Should I just get 144hz at this point?

There are usually RX580 models at around $300 or less.
Maybe today's not your day.
Someone posted a cheap 1060 earlier, which I think was 6GB but I forgot, if you can't wait for deals on RX580.

>1300x isn't really than much of a bottle neck on newer games
eh I'd go for 4c/8t minimum. Especially when your build is not exactly budget...
4c/4t is fine for most games themselves, but don't deal with having shit running in the background at the same time as well.

If it's adaptive sync? ya.

I looked and yeah for some reason in the last few months the card gained about $100 in value so just fuck me and I'll take a better look at the CPU thanks.

What should I watch when buying a PCI card?
Any suggestions on the buying?

Wanting to get into PC gaming, but I still need a new laptop to get me through the next year or so of grad school, then I will use it for sitting around on the couch and whatnot. Anyway, here's the build I have picked out. Budget is about $3500 CAD between a PC and laptop. Right now, I have a Macbook Pro in my sights, but I am thinking about going with a Surface Book 2 15 to get all of my gaming/work done.

PCPartPicker part list: ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HRF6D2
Price breakdown by merchant: ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HRF6D2/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($113.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($239.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($92.92 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.25 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($409.92 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($104.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $1319.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-08 11:00 EDT-0400

Due to space restrictions, I don't really have any room for a desk to put this on with a monitor and whatnot, so I'd be hooking this up to my TV for the next couple of years and playing on a lapboard of some kind.

Looking for 60FPS 1080p. Budget is around £1200

Case
NZXT S340 Black (No Optical Drive, ATX)

CPU
AMD Ryzen™ 5 2600X CPU (Six Core, 3.6GHz - 4.2GHz, 19MB L3 Cache)

Air CPU Cooler
Cooler Master Hyper 103

Thermal Compound
Cooler master MasterGel Pro

Motherboard
ASUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING (Socket- AM4, 4x DDR4, ,ATX)

RAM
Corsair Vengeance® LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Memory Kit - Black

Graphics Card
NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 1070 8GB Graphics Card

SSD
Samsung 250GB 860 Evo SSD

Storage HDD / SSHD
Seagate BarraCuda 2TB 3.5" SATA III HDD

Power Supply Unit
Corsair RMx Series™ Modular RM750x — 750 Watt 80 PLUS® Gold

What isbetter and why? the RX 580 or the 1060 6 gb and why?

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-580/3639vs3923 The 1060 6GB is better but not by much. However with the RX580 you can get Freesynch cheap.

1060 is better if it's cheaper, you have a 60hz monitor, and no plans to upgrade your monitor.
RX580 is better and the common recommendation because of Freesync support if you plan to buy a new monitor with it or any time in the future.

You can get a 75hz 1080p IPS Freesync panel for like $125, whereas the cheapest Gsync IPS is like $300 or some dumb shit.
1440p 144hz with adaptive overdrive AHVA(IPS) Freesync for $350-$430 when equivolant Gsync is $600-$700.
Also Freesync often has better monitor choices, especially for professional non-gaymer displays.

Don't post userbenchmark. It's fake. How can you not tell by reading their results and lack of any proper data that they're fake?

Bit of a noob when it comes to pcgb so this is the 1st time I've heard that it is unreliable.

Buying the Asus ROG Maximus X Hero where I live gives a free CM ML 240L RGB, is it worth something? I was going to buy a Noctua, but if this shit does its work I would save some money.

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>you can get Freesynch cheap.
What does that mean? Is it somethingI should use and if so how?

I currently have an old HP monitor that is 60. I would really like to go to 144 ghz. Id like to be able to use that power for at least overwatch and WoW? I dont really know this stuff. The guy repairing my current build was recommending a 1060 6 gb for those purposes. Is he right? Thank you for your help, I appreciate it greatly.

Trying to decide between getting a a Vega 56 or a Vega 64. There's a Powercolor 56 for $530 and a Strix 64 for $600. Which one would be better for 1440p? Or should I hold out for the next generation of Nvidia cards in hopes they'll be out this year?

How do I force my friend into upgrading his pc?
I really want to build something without paying.
He's running R7 260 and i3 4150 so it shouldn't be hard right

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even Jow Forumsbuildapc knows that shit is unreliable as fuck.

They use non-metrics like
>value & sentiment
which may as well be
>feelsies
to rate the cards. A more popular card gets a higher rating and they imply it's more performance.

Also EVERY game tested is extremely Nvidia favored except for BF1. And less so Overwatch as recent updates improved things for Radeon cards on it a lot as well.
Somehow the RX580 manages to win on some of those traditionally Nvidia favored games, too, which also makes no sense. RX580 +11% ahead of 1060 in CSGO? That's a heavily Nvidia favored game.
And a bunch of synthetic tests.

Anyway it's better to simply say that late 2016+, Vulkan, and DX12 games almost always favor RX580. Older games almost always favor Nvidia. That's pretty consistent across all reviewers.

In the US? Isn't the Strix 56 going for $530 still? Get that one if so.
Otherwise thb just get the cheaper Red Dragon or the Pulse.
Apparently those Red Dragons have a Samsung HBM lottery on them since they were originally going to be Nanos which used Samsung HBM.
Vega64 is generally not worth $70 more over a 56, especially when you can potentially get Samsung HBM on a 56. Clock-for-clock, Vega56 matches the Vega64 in almost every game. The real difference is whether it's Samsung HBM or Hynix...

That's a really shit PC. But if he's fine with it... no reason to upgrade?

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Is that some kind of demonstration for those early 00s Shuttle barebones?

Adding to this. Im considering upgrading my build, what is better and why if possible.
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232476&ignorebbr=1

or

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233852

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pcpartpicker.com/list/FZQKq4

Are there any good discounts on CPU/MB combos or discounts on ram? The newegg bundle for the 2600x/Gaming 7 has only a $20 discount. I'd prefer a 'high-end' MB just because I plan on upgrading to whatever Zen 2 is down the line. I can't even find any discounts on ram that aren't meme $250 RGB kits.

The 580 is the better value, performs better in quite a few games since AMD makes better drivers these days, Freesync is free whereas Gsync is not, and the 580 performs much better with low level APIs like vulkan and DX12

You cant force him to do anything, just upgrade yourself or start building custom PCs for profit you dumb faggot

youtube.com/watch?v=yeMPbUYJCA0

From around 2009/2010 I guess. Could still be a barebone from Shuttle (or like the ones they make), since they've been making systems like that for a long time.

>The guy repairing my current build was recommending a 1060 6 gb for those purposes.
Uh no not at all.
You very obviously want to go adapative with WoW since that game will go from 250fps in an open area down to 120 fps in a city down to 60fps in a raid.
Gsync would cost you a ton more money. A really disproportionate amount compared to your build.

All you really need for 144fps on medium settings in Overwatch is an RX560, or RX570/RX580 if you want overkill and higher settings.
Pretty much the same for WoW. That game becomes more CPU limited with a lot going on.

WoW is an Nvidia favored game, and Overwatch about even, but you absolutely need Freesync/Gsync in that game (and most MMOs, as many of them tend to drop to 60fps no matter your hardware) and Freesync is cheaper, so Radeon is the clear choice.

Those are roughly the same except one is b-die.
Just get the cheapest 3000 CL15 or 3200 CL16.

Even in DX11 games from late 2016 and onward, AMD seems to perform better in around half of them. It's not just DX12 and Vulkan that it has an advantage.
Devs have gotten better at lower level DX11 and OpenGL to just optimize better in general.

Far Cry 5 was a DX11 game which was highly optimized for all GPUs, with hell lots of old GPUs running it better than Far Cry 3 ran despite it looking nicer overall, which also favors AMD cards.

this is also me
Is this a reasonable list to get use out of 144 ghz monitor or close to it on overwatch and such? pcpartpicker.com/user/Hipocrates1780/saved/#view=m7ZkTW

Again, thank you all for any help, It means a lot to me as a pleb.

Brand new 580 nitro+ special ed for 360€?

Thank you, so I get that I should go with the 580 8gb over the 1060 6 gb so that I can take advantage of freesynch over gsynch and I will need one or the other for my intent. Are those things that are like qualities of the monitor or a third party program I need to buy. Im really sorry Im pretty lost here. Thank you.

Pratically all AIOs use the same pump/block combo so the only real difference you're looking at (rad size aside) are the fans. As far compared to the Noctua, I haven't used the CM, but AIOs generally do 5c or so better during max load. But no one runs their PC at 100% constantly so...

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126199&cm_re=Radeon_RX_580_8GB-_-14-126-199-_-Product

This seems to be the best price I can find on a 580, Is it worth 30 dollars to get a gigabyte model becuase It rust them more as a brand or is asus fine?

The Strix 56 is still going for 530. But I'm still torn between that or the Strix 64. They do seem quite close based on the chart though. Since I already have a freesync monitor I don't think the 10 FPS at best difference will really matter. Is there any way to tell if the memory is Samsung or Hynix or is it simply luck of the draw?

If you're fine with paying 50-100 euro too much for a card at that performance level. Paid a bit less than 300 euro for my R9 290 3 years ago, and there is still no meaningful upgrade available for ~300 euro.

>pcpartpicker.com/user/Hipocrates1780/saved/#view=m7ZkTW
Pick out a monitor. That'll add about $200 or more depending.

I'd also either upgrade to the ASRock X470 Master board, or go cheaper with the MSI Gaming Plus/Pro.

I don't like recommending ASUS cards which aren't the Strix because their warranty service is garbage.
That price is decent... but probably worth spending $20 more to get the MSI Mk2 pcpartpicker.com/product/xH448d/msi-radeon-rx-580-8gb-armor-mk2-oc-video-card-rx-580-armor-mk2-8g-oc Same goes to Bit better performance stock and better warranty.
You save $15 on the MSI motherboard and it'll wind up around the same cost total while getting a better card.

But ALSO, again, frankly you would be fine with that $175 strix RX560 4GB.
In WoW you're going to be CPU limited. The game is poorly optimized CPU wise. You'll get like the same 60-75 fps minimums no matter what GPU you get as long as it's a 560 or better. Lmao.
Overwatch is already super optimized. If you can play it on "high" instead of "maxed", which looks roughly the same, you'll still get around 100fps on the RX560. Even more if you drop down to medium.
Here is the game running on high: youtu.be/MZ8snYhuYUk?t=6m42s

But if you really want 144fps minimum on high in Overwatch.. then okay sure get the RX580. Just know it's hardly going to make a difference in WoW which is so CPU limited.

>third party program I need to buy
No, Freesync support is in the AMD driver.
Nvidia could technically include it in theirs, but they make money ripping people off with proprietary Gsync so they don't.
>Are those things that are like qualities of the monitor
Yes you could get a AHVA(IPS) panel. They cost a bit more, and you trade slightly lower response times for better color quality. Look for 5ms response or less.

Thanks. That's the case on good AIOs, but It seems this one is worse than a D15 or similar, I'm not sure how well it will handle an overclocked and delided 8700k.

If it's not worth it, I would buy other cheaper motherboard.

just read some reviews nigga

Good luck mounting that cooler
You can save $10 on memory by getting a different kit but not much else you can do since prices are high as can be
Terrible deal

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Idk we were getting those on the ebay sale for $300 2 days ago. Seems like a ton of us bought those.
If that's including like a 15-20% VAT, then sure. If that's Germany price, it sounds way high.

Like I said... clock-for-clock, the 56 and 64 are identical in almost all games. The compute performance of Vega 64 is insane, and no game can truly make use of it.
The main difference is that the 56 tend to have Hynix memory, which tends to not clock nearly as high and won't flash to a vega64 liquid BIOS with higher memory voltage which can let you hit 1000mhz+ on it. Typically you'll be at 850-910MHz on Hynix while Samsung will 900-950 on the same voltage easy.
10% higher HBM clock will generally account for like a 6-7% performance increase at 1440p.

So... say you have Vega64 with liquid BIOS and 1035MHz memory, vs Hynix at 900, both at the same 1610MHz core clock.
Well the 15% higher HBM clock, the Vega64 will get about 10% higher FPS. And $600 vs $530 is about 14% higher cost for that 10% fps.
And the Vega64 with its extra CUs and higher HBM clock is also going to use like 100watts more power...

So the Vega56 is generally better as you get better perf:watt, better perf:$, etc. It can be undervolted and overclocked to around GTX 1080 performance.
But I mean if you really want that Samsung HBM, $600 isn't awful. It's just worse value, and a less power efficient card.

higher HBM voltage*, in regards to using more power, not clock.

My intent is to add the monitor next month after getting the build going and just using my shit box monitor until then
Ill look into the cost a bit and stuff to confirm one goes with my parts well then just order it later. I plan to get a 500GB SSd too.

I really dont like MSI I bought a MB from them a few years agao and after two months it like blew up and melted the back of it. smelled awful. i think I might go with the GIGBYTE rx 580 and the mother board you recommend that was not MSI? Should I consider a more powerful CPU for wow? Would it be worth it? I also play like dark souls but im less concerned with that coming out to what id like.

>ASRock X470
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157833&cm_re=ASRock_X470-_-13-157-833-_-Product

You mean this yes?

Why do people still use speccy? It's vastly outdated

>Good luck mounting that cooler
swiftech.com/AM4MountingKit.aspx

There's a mounting bracket I already ordered. In regards to the kit it's on the QvL so if I'm only saving $10 I'll just deal I guess.

>ASRock X470 Master board
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157833&cm_re=ASRock_X470_Master_board-_-13-157-833-_-Product

Well will AMD release their 5GHz gaming CPU?

For 60 fps that gpu is over kill, but sweet built man.

Same people use userbenchmark and shit.
Retarded. Too stupid to think for themselves and realize it's bad. Just use what comes up in the first google result or what other dumb people use.

A year or two. Or a few years ago with the 9590.

I missed this one, but yeah is correct.
Get a bigger SSD and get a 10606GB or RX580 instead.
PSU is overkill and you should get 650w at most as well.

You are the only one to mention speccy in this thread
Also it's not like you brought up any better options
Who knows if their next architecture will be able to do that at all? Could be a year from now or never

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Its actually with 24% vat and shipping. Even if i buy from germany it costs more. Either i buy this one or a random 300€ 580 but im afraid it will shit on me

1TB SU800 still on sale for $161.
>rakuten.com/shop/adata/product/ASU800SS-1TT-C/

Not sure why people are memeing themselves with 250GB 860 Evo for the same price.

O. That sounds like a pretty good price for the nitro+ special ed with 24% vat. That's cheaper than the best we've had them in the US in like ever.

Assuming you don't have better priced alternative, go for it. I can't blame having the autism to spend more for the special edition with 2100MHz memory. I did the same.

what is the most sensible X470 choice if I plan to leave the 2700X with its stock cooler and let XFR2 handle the overclocking?
Should I just be buying a B450 at this point instead?

TFX Power Supply.

>Should I just be buying a B450 at this point instead?
Letting XFR2 handle everything pretty much applies to all Ryzen 2 CPUs, but for the 2700k I'd still stick with the x470 just for the better VRMs and cooling.

Is there any good, valid reason to upgrade from an i7-3770 to a newer i5-8XXX?

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>sensible X470 choice if I plan to leave the 2700X with its stock cooler and let XFR2 handle the overclocking?
I mean.... you don't have to fiddle with sketchy overclocks when you're just increasing PBO PE level. But even cheapest x470 like the MSI Gaming Pro/Plus will handle that.
You could wait for b450, yes, especially if you want to go mATX. Get at least a 5 phase for the core VRM, though.

Uhh the fact that even a 2600X is over twice as fast as a 3770? And way more efficient? Better single threaded and way better multithreaded.
I'd say it's only 4770k and better that have little/no need to upgrade. 3770, especially a non-k, is well behind the 4770k.

Gaming plus maybe
You tell me

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>vagoo 56 for 1080144
Im retarded arent I, it hasnt even shipped and im startign to feel the regret of not picking up a 1070.

uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/zpn9Cb

For freelance programming and gaming. I intend to get a better GPU in the near-ish future. No Ryzen, it's too fiddly to hackintosh.

I'm a little unsure on the case in particular, but I want to spend as little as possible since I hide it under my desk. Certainly don't want gamer rgb window shit.

Is there anything you want to do that your 3770 is struggling with? Are new games giving you trouble, or is there some productivity-related process that you want to speed up?

There are still people rolling on with their 2011 i5-2500k without major issues.

You should have gotten 1440p, yeah. Not sure why you got 1080.

>uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/zpn9Cb
Why so much CPU with cheap ass slow RAM? Doesn't make much sense.

So I'm upgrading my case after 4 years to a phanteks p400s because i got it in the ebay 20% off sale for pretty cheap. It comes with 2 case fans however I'm considering swapping them with these 2 red led case fans which came eith my old corsair 230t. My only issue is I bought this because I wanted something more on the silent side and my 230t was loud as fuck with 0 sound insulation as the top and front were all fully open. Will the corsair fans be louder than the phanteks fans? Anyone know about this kind of stuff? The case does come with a fan controller which might help keep it quiet at a low speed however I'm looking for something as quiet as possible.

If it helps here's a pic. Old fan is the bottom one ofc. They look the same to me so they should perform and sound the same right?

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1070 is worse though
I hope you don't intend to overclock
And in any case the 8700 makes more sense
There is a lot more to fan design that how you think they look
Best way to know for sure is to find benchmarks and spec sheets on them

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>Why so much CPU with cheap ass slow RAM?
The internet is very conflicted over whether RAM speed matters at all. And I figure I can always swap out the RAM/add more in a year or two, while the CPU+mobo are longer term investments.

Would changing it out for 2666MHz be enough?

>I hope you don't intend to overclock
Not by much, at least not initially. I assume you say that because of the 212- is there anything else in there that would prevent OCing?

Its a short mATX board.

They use them in prebuilts.

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Would the fan difference in sound be big though or are we talking basically negligible? They're both from reputable companies and not some chink shit.

Not just your cooler, but even with good air or water cooling you are limited by the thermal paste that Intel has under all of their heat spreaders so your CPU can be at 80 centigrade while your cooler is at 60
Yeah, the difference can be night and day depending on the design purpose

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Ok so I checked online and the corsair fans are 0.38A and the phanteks 0.08A
Does that mean the phanteks are quieter?

Well I can always delid it later if I want to go faster, right? The price difference is ~£30-£50 and I'd much rather overspend a little now than regret it in a few years' time.

>And I figure I can always swap out the RAM/add more in a year or two
I thought the same thing. Then ram prices nearly tripled.

No. The smart way to research would be to find decibel ratings per CFM
You still have an inadequate cooler for OC

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>The internet is very conflicted over whether RAM speed matters at all
It's very conclusive. Anything you need a fast CPU for will also benefit from fast RAM.

>Would changing it out for 2666MHz be enough?
Sure for an i5-8400 or a 2400G, 2600.
Anything above those and you should be pairing them with faster RAM to not hold them back and even then you could still go for faster RAM.

Especially if you consider having a top of the line CPU important, you'll have your DDR4 for longer than your next upgrade to keep on top, so you shouldn't be holding your next CPU back either.

That's mini-DTX but I think longer... I think someone made those and called them "flex" or something, though, yeah.

Phanteks is pic and corsair is:

CFM - 50.55
dBA - 24.9
Voltage - 12
Current - 0.12
MMH20 - 1.25
RPM - 1300

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54.4 CFM at 24.2 dB is obviously better than 50.5 CFM at 24.9 dB if they were tested the exact same way.

Its a regular DTX (203 × 244 mm).

Is 0.7 a big difference I.e. audible? I don't know about any of this stuff

Specs on the phanteks are marginally better across the board but they are about equal considering margin of error

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Ok thanks

Still looks like something from Shuttle to me.

youtube.com/watch?v=GaMpbx8kMbU

Seen designs more similar to the one in OP's picture. With the PSU placement too.

Uhhh can't you google the dB scale?
+10 dB is twice as loud. So 35.2dB would be twice as loud as 25.2dB. so 0.7 isn't much higher.
But the Phanteks also moves more air... so obvious choice if price is similar.

iirc, 28dB is the average noise level of a library.

buy a 8086k
msi z370 pro -a
16gb ddr4 ram

CPU didnt even come with a cooler.. all for 100 fps in far cry 4

JUST

lol they're selling 8086k at USD $720 where I live

Considering just flipping the thing but I've been looking forward to upgrading from my 3770

>shuttle PC
I just heard that mention on youtube.com/watch?v=ha2COed-_rE that I was watching.

Flip it. It's not worth it. It'll just be irrelevant in a year with Intel's 8core release and 7nm 3700X if "le best performance meme" is what you're looking for. We might even get Black Edition CPUs again come 7nm Ryzen.