Who makes the best motherboards and why is it Gigabyte?

You just named three of the worst.

Speaking of motherboards, why are most AM4 B450 utter shit? There's like few good ones and they're all made by goddamn MSI.
>Shit vrm
>Shit vrm cooling + overheating even at stock clocks on a Ryzen 7
>Chinky cheap ass gamer look with no redeeming qualities

B450 is merely there for segmentation they have to skimp on something for the boards to make sense. If you want a better VRM just get x370.
IDK what is redeeming about B450

X370 is a older chipset. It's just weird that MSI has b450 boards better than many x470 ones and other b450 boards just suck.

This, MSI is unironically my favourite MB manufacturer, because their BIOSes have never made me go mad, unlike Gigabyte's. Just don't use MSI live update and you won't have any troubles, I tried it once and had to reflash, which went quicker than I had expected.

X370 X470 doesn't really matter.
B450 was meant from the start to be a budget chipset so your going to get budget boards (with MSI being an outlier I guess) If you want a better board why not just get X470? or any other chipset that will get you a better motherboard?
people scramble for B450 motherboards but then have the gall to ask why VRMs are so shit and I don't get it

DualBIOS is a smart feature you'll only find on GB boards, and GB's Ultra-Durable line is apparently, as the name implies, quite durable to rough handling from everything I've heard. Also like said, they're pretty much the only manufacturer that makes feature-rich motherboards that don't look like fucking gay alien military camo gaymur garbage.

Dual BIOS isn't exactly a special feature, other motherboards have had multiple BIOS chips the only difference is you might have to manually switch over

Asus has the best BIOS, undisputed, but recently I fear they are going the way of Apple, average/good quality motherboards and components, but advertised as full, premium products with the Asus/Apple tax tacked on.

Every CPU/Socket generation has different 'best' boards, this year with Z390, Asus fucked up hard with half their enthusiast Maximus series being average products yet the most expensive. Gigabyte Aorus Master took the crown this generation.

The VRM debacle and Asus's silence on the matter was quite disappointing, I have a Hero VI but I'll consider something else for Zen 2.

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Gigabyte Aorus Master, ASrock Taichi Ultimate and the MSI Meg ACE are all better and $140AU cheaper than the Asus Maximus Hero.

To choose an equivalent product to those three boards you need to spend much more than that.
Asus failed this generation. Still, they have the best BIOS at least.

Stop analysing the VRMs, user. It's a sin0822

>by gigabyte x470 mb
>they forget to put the m.2 heatsink in the box
>the M.2 slot is directly under the GPU heatsink which means cooking 970 evo
>the fans randomly stop no matter how they are configured
>over volts cpu like mad on default/auto
It was literally to much to ask for gigabyte support to send me a $1 heatsink they said send it back to Newegg at my cost
So I did and got a full refund and Asus that's slightly better and has all its parts.

>but advertised as full, premium products with the Asus/Apple tax tacked on
This is why I always mostly avoided Asus.
They always seemed like a brand made more of hype than anything else. My first contact with Asus was someone telling my how good and high end some PC is because it was Asus but I knew that was retarded because a brand doesn't make any PC special.
Asus may have earned there reputation in good faith back then but the past don't mean shit in the present

This is a glorious motherboard but the Ultra Durable X470/Z390 boards are trash.

Same with the Asus TUF boards, fuckin 4+1 VRM motherfuckers on RYZEN when it used to be an 8+2.

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>Asus TUF boards, fuckin 4+1 VRM motherfuckers on RYZEN when it used to be an 8+2.
You don't know how bad things really are. TUF Gaming series are the lowest tier boards by Asus, and they mostly carry the same VRM design from the cheapest boards, such as the B350M-A. "The Ultimate Force" is long gone.

Not to say, the Intel Strix Z370 motherboards have shitty VRM design too (improperly doubled 4 phase, with terrible low-side MOSFETs). The Z390 Strix improved but is still a 4 phase, just like the new Maximus lineup.

IIRC Only the X370 and X470 Strix have proper 6(or higher for X470) phases

>Abit BP6
*crack*
*sip*
*aaaahhhh*
Now THAT was a motherboard

Can someone explain what makes Giga's bios so bad?

I only have experience with their older style UEFI on a 990FX UD3, but the bios is super convoluted, it's not pretty to look at, and there's little quirks, like how when I increase my bus speed, the HT link and northbridge won't auto calculate like the ram does. Also the load line calibration setting are really stupid, (Only Low, Standard, Medium, and Extreme available with only Medium being useful)

It is really feature packed for a bios, though, and you can type in the voltage and clock fields.

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asrock and asus.

>only strix have proper 6 phases
My Prime X370-Pro got a 6 phases too.

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worst fucking bios

Wasn't the "ultra gaming" z370 board the worst of all, VRMs you'd expect on a baord half the price. It was that bad they had to make an "Ulta durable 2.0" but it was too late and they had smeared their rep.

I'm still rocking a p55a-ud3r with an i7-860 OC'd to 3.96 from 2.8 and it's handling it decently. Can't put more than 4GB of ram into channel 2 for some reason

(OP)
Everyone knows ASUS is the best around these parts

I've had nothing but trouble with mine. It will legit just not recognize my boot drive at all and I have to reset it 1-10 times and do weird voodoo rituals to make it work. Also their fucking board software when I first got it legit crippled my CPU. I was getting like 20% the passmark scores I was supposed to with it installed.

Best BIOS, but not the best for every generation, the Z390 series were humiliating for them

for me, it's asrock

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>buy Gigabyte AM3 motherboard
>doesn't work with Linux because of some IOMMU shit or something

is this still the case with AM4?

it's just autistic fatboys like Steve from Gamers Nexus and that tranny buildzoid from Actually Hardware OverClocking that go apeshit whenever a midrange motherboard doesn't have advanced liquid nitrogen BIOS features

Are you trying to boot linux via a flash drive on usb 3.0? because my 8350 rig was doing that but I didn't know ubuntu didn't like to be booted off USB 3.

Asus is better. My Gigabyte board works fine but they're a crapshoot.

depends on the board
my TUF B350M was the best mATX B350 board for the money that wasn't /v/yard overpriced kiddie gaymur shit

It's supermicro. Server boards are the shit, gaming boards go into the trash.

Fuck off back to /v/

>buying chink backdoor boards

>faggot who whores his ass out every night in Chinatown's red light district thinking he has room to talk shit about chink backdoors

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Mint projection! Do you do natural French?

I only mean in the Strix line-up. Note that I did not mention the Crosshairs. The X370 and X470 Pro have decent VRMs as well.

>TUF B350M
You literally cannot justify this product, unless it is at most $10 more than the B350M-A

MSI and Asus, Gigabyte is shit and so are most budget variants.

My Gigabyte board blew up. Last couple gen's they have improved slightly but they're only a cut above MSI and nowhere near Asus and ASrock tier quality. The boards that are plain and don't look 'gaymur' just look cheap and flimsy.

What board was it?

Inb4 4+1 phase

Fuck me, I cam here to post this - almost word for word, too.

My MSI Z77 board blew up too, killed the CPU as well

Never fucking buying Gigabyte again.

>Motherboard once bricked itself requiring tedious disassembly and RMA
>Still can't run RAM at full speeds after related stability BIOS updates
>No matter the USB port, keyboard does not work during certain OS boot menus
>Associated desktop software and drivers are unreliable if not outright broken
>Associated desktop software literally loses advertised features when it gets updated
>SDK doesn't support this motherboard either
>Design-wise VRM heatsink is pathetically small

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EVGA x299 for 265$ off EVGA eBay and 8 core CPU 9800X 44 pcie lanes 580$ with EVGA 1080TI each 400$ off eBay. Feelsgood

What is EVGA x299 Dark
EVGA z97 classified
EVGA Z170

Kys

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Yeah it was 4+1 phase with a FX 8150.
Really criminal that they said it was compatible, those 4+1 mobos would frequently blow up with the FX 8 cores - the pair was impending doom.

Yeah they should've never allowed 970 boards to use 125w chips, and same thing with the 2700X on cheap B450 boards, it's gonna run extremely hot on the vrm, people think I'm nuts because I say all motherboards should have an 8+2 phase when using a high end chip even when not overclocking because the VRM is gonna run cooler at stock and be more reliable.

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Gigabyte makes fucking retarded durable boards. I had one that went through multiple moves, shipping containers on human transport boats, kids fucking with it while I was working on it, my cat jumping in my case one, etc etc etc.

Worked fine for years till I gave it to a friend. I bought an MSI and my cat smelled it once now my USB controller breaks all the fucking time.

Gigabyte for life.

agreed, Gigabyte is LEGIT

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I had issues with two X99 boards and then got a Gigabyte GA-X99-Ultra Gaming and it worked straight away even with all the RAM slots filled. So I don't know if they are the best but they are OK by me.

bought it as a combo deal with my 2400G at Micro center, paid I think 70 for it, probably less though can't remember exactly

legit shit, fucking Z97 Gigabyte board crapped out on me after not even 4 years

I've had an X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming for a few months and I haven't had any issues with it aside from the shitty bios.
It's been a very stable board so far.
But we'll see how well it's doing a year from now.

Best, nah, but they're pretty good depending on the model. Probably best in terms of no hassle second owner rmas maybe.

MSI for me, and they dicked me on the warranty.
I only have 3 manufacturers on my shit list so far.
>MSI - mobo
>EVGA - gpu
>Sapphire - gpu
I'd probably try my luck with biostatistics before buying from these 3 again.
Well I lied I'd probably buy the MSI Godlike if I had a i9-9900k.

how in the world did you get a Sapphire card to fail? ever since I've bought AMD cards I've only had Sapphire and Powercolor and the Sapphire cards never failed, and that was with overclocking

>still AGESA 1.0.0.2
>still fan problems
so this is the power of a 300 euro flagship motherboard..

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>Motherboard once bricked itself requiring tedious disassembly and RMA
ive had this happen to simply from taking the motherboard out of my case and putting it into the box it came in.

not him but I had a Sapphire R9 380. Worst fucking GPU I've ever had. Constant crashes that only got slightly better with newer drivers and whats really funny is whenever I looked up an issue in a game, someone else has the issue with the same Sapphire card it was never any other AIB. Something was fucked and I'm still going to pin Sapphire for a fucky vbios or something. I refuse to believe even AMD would have released that fucked of a GPU

wasn't the 380 the Tonga cards? Hawaii and Tahiti cards rarely ever had issues, specifically from Sapphire
I currently have a 580 Nitro+ and it has been amazing so far

>how in the world did you get a Sapphire card to fail?
Sapphire PGS to be exact, and the workstation that failed catastrophically cards weren't over clocked. Which wouldn't have bugged me if Sapphires rmas, and customer service wasn't complete ass back then.

It's a re branded 285 which was a tonga card.
It kinda makes it worse the fact the R9 380 even at release should have had somewhat mature drivers.

>Hawaii and Tahiti cards rarely ever had issues, specifically from Sapphire
I had w9100's from Sapphire that were nothing, but problems. Even the ecc was fucked. They always ran hot, and I'm fucking glad that a bad driver update set them on fire.

so a workstation card, huh, you would have thought that wouldn't happen
agreed, Tonga was implemented poorly in general

P55A-UD3

since 2008 almost daily usage and still going strong

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Same on EVGA and Sapphire GPU for me.

MSI GPU never failed me though.

what sapphire card(s) failed on you?

All of them.

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>Doubt
Someone here is trying really hard to protect Sapphire.

>stating every single sapphire card one's used has failed
someone here is trying really hard to spread FUD

You're a cunt tripfag but you're also right. I'll give you redpilled, but NOT based.

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My Sapphire R7 260X still working fine, and RX580 Nitro+ working great too.
All you need is a case with decent airflow.

>stating every single sapphire card one's used has failed
Different user here, but this is what happened to me. It's not like I went out of my way to buy Sapphire products after my first attempt failed.
I'm pretty sure that most people avoid products from a company that gave them a failure. It's not like sapphire are the only ones making PC hardware. There's enough competition to cycle through if you have had a bad experience with one.

>Your 2 piece of shit GPUs work, so it must be the same for everyone?

I mean I get that, but there's got to be a reason like a shit case with horrible flow because I've never had an issue with them, even PowerColor has been good to me
maybe I've been lucky but I'm seriously doubting that

also dumb shit replies like this really make me doubt the genuineness of the claim

I would say ASUS > MSI > Asrock and then Gigabyte.
They re not up there with their VRM quality and BIOS.

You think people would buy a second sapphire GPU after their first ones got fucked?
Most people wouldn't.
>really make me doubt the genuineness of the claim
Yea, sapphire is, so good that any claims that claim otherwise muuust be bullshit.

I understand why someone would hesitate to purchase from the same brand again, but stating that every single brand experience is the same from your own anecdote is wrong

>my GPU failed, so it must be the same for everyone!

>2 GPUs RMA'd in the last 6 years
>First RMA was sent back and failed within 2 days
>Rejected the next RMA
>Pulled the card from marketplace listings 2 weeks later
>v2.0 comes out
>Refuses to admit fault with v1.0 and will not replace the card

>Try their NUC
>Rebox it in original packaging, move it 60 miles by car
>Unbox and plug in
>Fails
>Test everything but mainboard
>BGA failure

Not even sure how you fuck something like that up.

They are the definition of chinkshit practices, and are an embarrassment to Taiwan hardware manufacturers. Yes, there was a time when they were good, but they are literally sub-Zotac tier at this point.

Not even Zotac removes listings to cover up their faulty hardware.

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But more than one user has claimed that they had issues with sapphire. You are the only user that has claimed otherwise while monitoring the thread to defend them.
A few anons claimed that they had a shit experience vs you, and your two GPUs from sapphire.

>RX580 Nitro+ working great too.
I rma'd mine (to newegg not Sapphire), because it had vram related issues out of the box, and they let me get an evga gtx 1060 instead. First, and last time I tried anything by Sapphire desu.

Why does EVGA only makes Intel motherboard and Novidya graphics cards?

Probably because Intel and Ngreedia are associate with gaming.

Lies. Nice try Sapphire-bro, but we're all on to you.

What make you think only there is only one user that defend sapphire? Well I could say the same too, only one user claimed that he got his problem with sapphire.

forums.geforce.com/default/topic/618607/problems-with-gigabyte-nvidia-gtx-660-ti/
lmao people literally had to underclock their cards for even SOME stability
nice to see gigabyte would rather spend money on Jow Forums shills than manufacturing process

Obvious samefag