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Want help? >State your budget & CURRENCY >List your uses eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose and graphics pairing >NO Speccy. Use HWinfo >For Win7 in Ryzen pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1
CPU >Athlon 200GE - Bare minimal desktop/gaming >R3 2200G - Light gaming(dGPU optional) >R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7-9700k/8700k - If you have a $2000+ budget and don't care that it'll be superseded by 7nm CPUs next year >R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform >Wait for R7 3700X - Surely the best overall and not a massive disappointment like the 9900k >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
RAM >8GB - Enough for most gaming use >16GB - Standard for heavy use >32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal
Graphics cards >RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than previous gen >Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others w/ small heatsinks and low quality fans 1080p >RX 570/580/590 w/ Freesync or 1060 6GB - standard 1080p 60fps+ options >1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb - lower settings and/or older games >GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 - for higher FPS w/ a high hz monitor 1440p >Vega; 1070Ti/1080 if you already have Gsync >Waste money - for higher FPS w/ a high hz monitor 4K >Upscale from 1620-1800p. Or 2080Ti, but awful value OpenCL use >Vega 64
Storage >Backup before using StoreMi >Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
Display >Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models >Always consider FreeSync w/ AMD cards >FOR GAMING START YOUR BUILD WITH A MONITOR FIRST, then make your build to drive it appropriately
amazon has the 860 EVO 500 gig version for $73. would it be worth it to wait for black Friday/cyber Monday or should I just get it now?
Jacob Cox
buy it
Andrew Martin
GPUs don't bottleneck other components. They output as many frames as they can as long as nothing is holding them back.
Getting a 8700k with a 1060 is a retarded idea because you're simply throwing away money for no gain. A 2600X would effectively give you the same FPS for your GPU for half the cost.
I'd just get it now. Not worth fretting over potentially being able to save a few bucks more versus missing a sale entirely. Though I saw the 1Tb for like $125 a day or two ago.
Lincoln Reed
Not bad, not great.
Asher Taylor
I'd check and see the leaked newegg ad if its in the bf sale
Brandon Wright
Adaptive sync is a meme. That is all.
Wyatt Flores
>I would rather endure microstutters than buy a superior product The absolute state of cope
Julian Edwards
it’s $80 in their black friday “sale”
Henry Peterson
Turboretard here. What's this about stutter on 144hz without sync? I know about screen tearing, we're not talking about this are we?
Asher Cooper
>getting microstutters at all Maybe if you spend more on your pc instead of your monitor you wouldn't get any stutters.
Gavin Howard
Does the advice about Armor cards still hold true? I was looking at one so I could snag DMC5 for free, but I'd rather have a reliable card that stays cool than save 60 dollars up front.
Aiden Clark
>Does the advice about Armor cards still hold true? Crap heatsinks, don't do this.
Zachary Hall
Do cases matter beyond size and fans? Can I get any case that I like the look of?
Jayden Thomas
>Crap heatsinks, don't do this. Only as to the 1080 TI model you retard
Easton Phillips
Features mostly, be it sound proofing, high airflow, number of drive bays, dust filters, easiness of maintenance/building... Don't pick up a case made of tin.
Brayden Lewis
I suppose I should have specified that I'm looking into upgrading to a 580 from my gtx 760.
What? They're pretty much terrible on every GPU at this point. I don't think there has ever been a "good" MSI Armor card.
Julian Cook
The armor meme is literally just for the 1080Ti and for good reason: they slapped the 1080's cooler on a 1080ti PCB and called it a day. Somehow that translated to armor=bad
Alexander Bailey
>athlon x4 880k cpu >8gb 1600 mhz ram >r9 280x gpu >500w 80+ psu >240gb ssd >motherboard >case For 300€ did I do good?
Nigga I would've sell you my i5 2400/ 380x build with 8gb of ram for 200euro if you asked. Maybe even 150 if you asked nicely. those parts are so useless I've been trying to sell them for months.
Caleb Roberts
what is this from?
Dominic Thomas
alright boys got a rx 480 and a ryzen 1800x getting some stuttering and shit and some artifacts every now and then in games, thinking the 480 is dying now the question is should i pick up a second hand 1070 ti or save up for something like a 2070?
Samuel Russell
There's a promo code with that though.
Nolan Ortiz
>thinks about her bag before her child Typical whore
Caleb Sanchez
amazon started black friday sales a week early
Carter Edwards
What's a good budget motherboard for a 2600x if I want to use PBO? I was looking at the MSI B450 Tomahawk but apparently MSI boards can't use PBO because of reasons?
so for those who intend to upgrade your computers, what do you with your old parts/build? assuming you don't use the parts for the next build
Owen Taylor
>I'm jacked in
Isn't the Red Devil still only $200? That's a really good deal with the games. The armor you would need to reduce clocks with voltage and get worse performance in order to keep it from being loud. You'd basically wind up with RX570 performance.
The cooler is pretty much only sufficient for around 120W TDP cooling, so on a 1060 or 570. Everything above that, they're not.
>The year is 2040 >Black Friday sales start on January 1st >The year is 2076 >Black Friday is every day Nice.
Is the RX480 not still under warranty? Also clean-reinstall your drivers.
Pro4 or TUF I guess are your only real cheap options. Prime X470-Pro if you want to spend more. It's not really worth its ~$160, but it's decent.
>did I do good? I don't think I'd even do $150 for that.
Samuel Brown
Poland
Owen Wright
No voltage offset on the MSI boards. I'd go for the Asrock B450 Pro4 boards for PBO on 2600X. Like the Tomahawk/Mortar you get the choice of ATX or mATX.
Jack Davis
I'll be honest, I didn't give Red Devil even a cursory glance. I figure anything with a name that gimmicky is trying to make up for something. Where can I learn more about it, temps, noise, etc?
I mean I never did, but probably yeah. If you really want to consider it send me a message at [email protected] (yes its real email for shit like this) We can talk more seriously tomorrow I'm not at home right now. And I'll send you pics and usage of parts.
Kevin Miller
Not him but the Asrock X470 is going on sale for $100, at that price is it a better buy than the B450 for the 2600X?
Jeremiah Reyes
>The cooler is pretty much only sufficient for around 120W TDP cooling I run my 1080 armor overclocked as much as Pascal would allow (which isn't much) and I've yet to run a game at 144/1080 that exceeds 72c or even 100% my fan speed.
Nathaniel Russell
Will 650w be good enough for an RX 590 & R5 2600? I know the 590 draws a ton of power
Landon Lewis
I have dual 980s and sick of lack of good SLI support. What should I upgrade to?
Google. It's actually top 3 when it comes to cooler. Powercolor's warranty service is also pretty good. It's very thick though so you'll need room for it is the only real downside.
Go for it. It's not quite as good as the Prime Pro, but it's plenty good enough for slightly beyond basic usage.
... getting near 100% fan speed is acceptable to you? Well ok. And yes, I think the maximum you can overclock a 1060 is... 140W or so? Not a big increase over stock.
Vega. Would usually say the 56, but considering you can get Vega 64 for $440, plus $180 of games, it's a good deal if you care about the games or want to resell them. That's a blower card though, so you'd probably want to budget in replacing the cooler as well for less noise.
Even 500W would be enough.
Oliver Martinez
What's your monitor? You could either upgrade to Vega/1070ti/1080/2070 level, 1080ti/2080 or go the whole hog with a 2080ti if you hate money. Look at OP to see which cards are recommended for your monitor res/refresh
Kevin Williams
Thanks. The price difference for the kind of PSU I want that 650w feels like the sweet spot. Are the CAS timings important on an R5 cpu? RAM prices have gone so high and to meet the optimal CL for Ryzen it's much more expensive
James Gomez
I'm getting a Raspberry Pi 3 to make a little PC that can play movies & internet and there's nothing you can do to stop me. I'm not going to be using my 6-core PC shit anymore.
Anyone knows what would affect power draw for gpu despite 100% usage. When playing new AC I get even up to 50W less power usage and thanks to that higher clocks and lower temps than when playing witcher 3 for example. In both cases I'm talking about gpu running at 100%
Christopher Brooks
I have two questions, i don't need any spoonfeeding.
What does PBO do that my x370 board already can't do? Also, is a Vega 56 a good buy at the moment? Do they age well? I would love to play with one and use it, already got a 1080ti which is a good card but it's so fucking boring.
Is $260 a good price for a refurbished 1070 mini that still has 2 years of warranty from Gigabyte? My 960 2GB is long in the tooth and this looks like a good deal, will anything beat it black friday?
not him but I'm considering the pro4 and looking at the memory compatibility list there's barely anything running above 2933mhz. Should I be worried?
Jason Long
How is it not when it's $380 for the same card new on amazon? If anything is wrong with it I'll use the warranty it still has.
Daniel Mitchell
Just doing a manual OC/timings-tweak on a 3000 CL15 or 3200 CL16 kit will yield good results. Just obviously won't match B-die. But it'll be plenty acceptable.
On my 1600X with a 2133 kit that I OC'd and tweaked manually to 2800 CL 16-17-16-34, the only thing that still really suffers is Oxygen Not Included and Factorio. Everything else is a solid 60+ at least. If I was making a gaming build though, I'd have started with better RAM as you can get much better performance.
Have fun.
>What does PBO do that my x370 board already can't do? Isn't PBO a feature on the 2000 series chips themselves, and not on the boards? You just enable it in Ryzen Master It basically just raises TDP limit so XFR2 can much more aggressively boost. >is a Vega 56 a good buy at the moment If you want the games or have someone to resell them to, this is the best GPU sale in like... the past 3 years. >Do they age well They seem to be. The $350 Vega 56 which comes with $180 of games is matching the $600 RTX 2070 in BFV.
Single fan? Meh. The Vega56 is a better deal so way pay more for a worse card? That cooler on it is pretty equivalent to a blower, if not worse. And there are better deals on other cards like the RX580 and Vega right now.
4k is still out of reach now days. Wait for 7nm. Vega is good with 1440p 144hz Freesync monitors, though, and you can get a good one for around $300. There is that Mbest one, LG has a nice new VA monitor, the Pixio PX277h is IPS with HDR
>Also should I get PSUs from B&H or are they unreliable This is such a stupid and meaningless question that I can't answer it. It sounds like something a 14 year old who has never bought anything ever by themselves would ask. >pcpartpicker.com/list/bZqmJ8 >what mobo should I get? B450M Mortar is on sale and really good. Last I checked it was $70. Get Q300L for case.
Nathaniel Thompson
The card is shit. Shit pcb, shit heatsink and it being mini with only one fan makes it even worse. Don't fall for it.
Carson Campbell
>looking at the memory compatibility list there's barely anything running above 2933mhz. Should I be worried? Maybe, really. ASRock is probably second worst with memory compatibility next to Gigabyte on AM4. Which is weird since when Ryzen launched, their Taichi and some others had some of the best memory compat. You should still be able to get decent results on a manual OC, though. Just might take an extra 0.05v
Andrew Green
>That cooler on it is pretty equivalent to a blower, if not worse. And there are better deals on other cards like the RX580 and Vega right now. >The card is shit. Shit pcb, shit heatsink and it being mini with only one fan makes it even worse. Don't fall for it. I'd like to add I need a mini card for my case and have been running the equivalent mini 960 2GB from Gigabyte for 4 years without issue.
Nathan Adams
Literally all I want is to be able to hit 4ghz with the 2600, and going without B-Die can save nearly $100
Zachary Perez
Which Brands are good for the Vega 64? I'm thinking about ASUS AREZ Radeon RX Vega 64 AREZ-STRIX-RXVEGA64-O8G-GAMING. Don't really wanna fuck with replacing the fan myself and this was sounds like it has some better cooling going on.
not that guy but rx 580 is worse than the 1060, why would you recommend it over the 1070
Adrian Reyes
Nah dude get a Vega 56 and sell the game codes to buy a bigger case. Problem solved.
Carter Hernandez
>I'd like to add I need a mini card for my case God I just wish these fucking caselets would fuck the fuck off. Like, try getting a big boy case next time maybe? Jesus FUCK.
Austin Perez
Just picked up an EVGA 1070 Superclocked for $5500 mexican pesos ($270) , supposedly barely used, It's the lowest I have ever seen in my third world country. How did I do?
Make sure you get a Gold + PSU, something like EVGA Supernova g3, or seasonic equivalent. Don’t cheap out on it.
Asher Moore
the RX 580 is only worse than the 1060 in some games
James Smith
Yeah I'd prefer to not get a different case since mine isn't made anymore and it fits perfectly into my current setup. I GUESS I could replace my PSU for an SFX one to make room for a longer GPU, but I'd lose my custom cabling in the process and I don't really want to do that again.
>960 120W TDP >1070 150W TDP That's a significant increase for such a small heatsink, looks the same as on the 960 to me. Sure it won't blow up or anything but my guess is it will be a loud and hot mess that won't be able to boost its clock speed.
Jonathan Bailey
>AREZ-STRIX-RXVEGA64-O8G-GAMING Full nope on that one. It's missing important VRM thermal pads. Get the Powercolor Red Devil or Sapphire Nitro if you can find one for a decent price.
Isaac Allen
Depends on the game. Power consumption is quite a bit more though and if you're a video game addicted NEET, it's going to add up.
Bentley Young
I know it sounds absurd down trading a 1080ti to a Vega, but the way Vega prices have tanked and the way 1080ti demand has steadily climbed the last couple months even in second hand prices, it's not really such a silly thing to do.
Owen Hall
Also I have a decent Noctua fan on my CPU now, before anyone freaks out about the stock fan
William Jones
Do you not understand? you NEED to get Vega, just do it already. Shilling aside the 1070 mini is alright but I don't trust refurbs too much.
Carter Walker
what graphics card and CPU do I get with the MSI MAG27CQ?
Joseph Gutierrez
Depends if there's a warranty.
Elijah Rodriguez
My build is currently using the Seasoning Focus+ 650w, which is Gold. I screwed up on my previous build buying a piss poor PSU.
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models
When did this happen?
Oliver Moore
For your level the Vega/1070ti/1080/2070 level is pretty well on the money. Vegas are great for the current and if I didn't already have a 1080ti I'd be looking at one. You should still get close to $150 for each of your 980s if that's worth anything.
Dylan Martinez
Rate new PC build X58 P6T Deluxe X5675 with NH-D14 12GB 1600mhz RAM Vega 56 Nitro
my monitor is at least 3 years old and its 75hz ips. So quite a long time ago.
Kevin Martinez
You're looking at JEDEC ratings. They're irrelevant. Those same ratings have Z370/Z390 Coffeelake pegged at 2666mhz which is rediculous.
Luke Adams
Stupid question: Is that an SFX-L PSU? Could you not use a normal SFX one and perhaps extend the GPU? 1070 is not a really new card, they work well but aren't that powerful in comparison to current cards.
Dominic Scott
I'd get one of the cheap blower ones and either hybrid cooler mod it, or replace it with the Morpheus Vega Edition cooler. The reference PCB is good, and on the other hand the other models are too expensive. At least in the US.
The Strix on paper should be good, but has issues with the placement of its thermal pads. You can buy new thermal pads and remount the cooler with them to fix that, and then it's good.
Because he has a 960. The RX580 is over twice as good as the 960. The RX580 is a lot better price:performance if you care about even one of the gmes.
For Mexican prices, that seems alright.
With a shorter PSU, likely SFX, wouldn't you be able to fit a GPU going in front of the PSU...? Pretty cute, though. I'm really surprised that doesn't seem loud to you though. That's such a mediocre cooler for a 120W card.
I would think you could find that 1070 mini for closer to $200 used if you really want to go that route.
Considering that people are desperate enough that they're paying $650+ for USED 1080Tis, and you can get Vega for less than half that, if you don't need the extra performance it makes sense.
Started around 3 years ago. And as of this year, virtually every new model is at least 75hz. There are hundreds and hundreds of them.
Jaxon Foster
Fuck me, I'm poor.
Adrian Martin
EVGA's warranties are transferable but the seller couldn't tell me exactly how old is the card. From the photos it looks like it still has the shrink wrap on, I wonder why. I'm still pretty fucking happy for what I paid.
>That's such a mediocre cooler for a 120W card. Eh, it may be drowned out by the fuckhuge fan I have situated on the top of the system which keeps everything very nice and cool.
Juan Hill
That is almost certainly full ATX. Here's my (outdated) for size comparison, where the SFX PSU is in an ATX to SFX adapter. Note the size of the power cable compared to the housing. But yeah, you had the same idea.
And it's not so much about the performance of the 1070. It's obviously more than an RX580, though less than Vega56. It's just that 260 for a single fan mini 1070, especially refurbished, isn't a good deal at all compared to all the other deals going on.
Uhh you can get 1080p 75hz IPS for $90-$130 or so.
I was referring to it having been so long since I've been able to upgrade that I'm this far out of the loop. Still, why doesn't this introduce screen tearing for 60fps gaming?
Jaxson Stewart
Yeah think I'm gonna search for a good Vega 64 to upgrade too.
Damn so the Vegas really aren't that good on temps then huh?
Im looking for advice for a used GPU. My budget is 150 EUR/USD. thanks
Ryan Martinez
Don't worry I was using 1280x1024 monitor before that and only bought new because it finally stopped working after god know how many years.
Leo Turner
>that dusty desk Clean your room pajeet
Noah Miller
I'm og vega nigga who bought reference rx 56 at launch. It runs at 1570mhz 1000mv, 950mhz 1.25v mem and never goes above 75C during stress testing and mostly stays at 50-65 when gaming. AMA
Ayden Richardson
It's ATX
Connor Wright
I don't think so. They have stuff above 3200 when jedec doesn't go past 2933. It's just not for the more popular brands like gskill/corsair/etc when you'd think they'd have the most high speed tests for those.
I don't even want to push past 3200 but I really don't want to have to look for compatible memory instead of buying a popular B die, especially when it's so hard to find a decent deal in my part of the world.
Cameron Richardson
Replacing my fx 6300 and decided to make a wishlist of other parts I'll prolly be getting this year. I have a cooler master 212 EVO already but I'm willing to upgrade that too.
