--> Quick Questions Quick Replies Why would I want a NAS/Homeserver? If you ask why, then you don't need it.
>I want a NAS/HTPC/Plex what should I get? RPi3 or Odroid XU4/HC1. Odroid upper models has USB 3 and USB bus separated from the Ethernet one.
>B-But muh ARM Then check the onboard x86 like J4105B-ITX, J4205B-ITX or J4205-ITX. All of them have SATA and USB 3.
>What's the best [software] for doing [ask]? Specify you question and elaborate. If you want help put something from your side.
>Which disk is better for my homeserver? Seems like Green WD are not sold nowadays. So WD Reds are okay for the price if you want "NAS Drvies". Otherwise HGST and Toshiba are your friends.
Why would you buy hard drives when SSD are cheap as fuck right now?
>Muh failure rates
Hudson Watson
I meant that is it just because the failure rates?
I don't think anyone's anime hoard is going to make a dent on the drives.
Nicholas Mitchell
price/TB is still lower for hard disks.
Oliver Sanders
Tcos is way higher for any hard drive. and HAMR is going to significantly lower costs per tb. And capacity isn't the only metric when determining total cost of storing, Faillure rate, relyability and power are other considerations. EG a 1tb ingest server will be cheaper when using flash drives and 100 TB of mostly storage will be cheaper with HDD's
Colton Nelson
Sorry, ment to link
Jaxon Diaz
>Tcos is way higher for any hard drive. You dont know what TCO is do you, you tard?
Oliver Ortiz
>You dont know what TCO is do you, you tard? I can only assume YOU are the one that can't read OR doesn't know what it means since I've written it out later in my comment.
Tyler Nelson
Ohhh. I have a question. Let's assume I have RAID 6 on 6 disks. Let's assume I take out three of them, then power off, put them back in and power on. Will RAID be killed?
Liam Mitchell
no if your controller isnt shit
stay retarded user. you contradicted yourself in the rest of your statement.
Isaiah Sanders
> controller Software mdadm.
Ryan Howard
>Let's assume I take out three of them, then power off, put them back in and power on. Will RAID be killed? Depends on the software stack. ZFS can potentionally recover from that but since you're taking out three disks on a live raid6 system there is no guarantee that data wont be corrupted.
>And capacity isn't the only metric when determining total cost of storing [data] Yes, I forgot one word and am aware that is not the abbreviation of the word. But I give the exact explanation of it later, like I said. >Faillure rate, relyability and power are other considerations. [In determining total cost of ownership on HDD's versus SSD]
You dont have to be toxic or pretent to be superiour because you dont make mistakes in online forum posts. I know what I'm talking about and try to help other anons. I can't say the same for you.
Sebastian Ross
controllers are just software, its just wether it has a dedicated CPU is what makes it a raid card. LSIs use PowerPC cores.
>You dont have to be toxic go back to plebbit you faggot
Robert Rivera
Good lad. >controllers are just software If you're going to argue with me over semantics then may I remind you that raid cards have firmware, not software. And controllers aren't really software. Not all controllers have dedicated CPU's with soft/firmware. some are just interconnects for drives. >its just wether it has a dedicated CPU is what makes it a raid card Wasn't even the question. >go back to plebbit you faggot go back to 4channel.
Kayden Butler
Its software you tard. LSI3108s have PowerPC 440s.
>Not all controllers have dedicated CPU's with soft/firmware. They do you tard
>some are just interconnects for drives. That would be a HBA, and yes they do too you tard. The difference is they have cache, a BBU, and you pay out of the ass for the right to use it. Now stay ass blasted you dont understand how anything works.
Anyone know of a cheap PSU options for itx that wont blow everything up? I want to move my old HDDs into a node 202 for a compact media server and then build a new itx build for my main system
Jordan Gonzalez
The things that take most space on disks are usually videos, music, video games, maybe pictures. Of these things, only video games profit much from transmission higher speed (unless you copy them around a lot).
Nicholas Murphy
do they still make DiM like motherboards? i would like a motherboard with just the CPU and discrete GPU 7W and the rest goes into a bigger motherboard
Fractal design R6 is pretty dope, lot of poeple think it's the best tower of 2017
Grayson Stewart
How overkill would a freenas NAS like this be and what should I be sacrificing >xeon e3 1230v6 >supermicro x11ssl-ctf (or x11ssh-tf) >x1 16gb d4 ecc (8gb x2 doesn't seem to differ too much in price) >8x 4tb wd reds >various other cheaper components >a ups >a case Also what sort of case should I be using? Would a tower case (looking at fractal define r6) or a server rack chassis be better?
Samuel Scott
>server rack chassis Do you have a rack and a server room where you can torture people without someone hearing them scream? If your answer is not two times yes then the answer is get a tower. Server hardware as a home server is a meme.
Kayden Nguyen
>rack Those tiny server racks seem cheap enough >room Yeah you got me there, don't think I'll be willing to keep an entire room air conditioned just for a single server. Having a place to easily fit switches / a ups and future drive bay expansion sounds nice though, and it seems you could fit pwm fans into a custom rack build. Non-rack mounted drive bay enclosures seem pretty expensive too
Luke Diaz
I know it matters for data centers and that there are reports of sdd's dieing at the same time but we are talking about a home server here
Zachary Wilson
>recommending an ARM board for Plex >recommending ARM board and HGST drives
Lmao what. If you actually use your Plex server outside your own LAN, ARM is dumb as shit, especially when you can get a garbage Sandy Bridge office PC that can do the job better practically for free.
Noah Hall
anyone has experience with radarr? it keeps downloading a bunch of the same movies for no reason
Carson Walker
Wanna buy a NUC for my home server, odroid C2 didnt have enough ram. Recommendations? Mainly file synchronization, web services and audio streaming, but want the possibility of plex in the future and 16gig ram
Angel Diaz
I just copy pasted from the previous thread, which was also made by me and also copy pasted from the one before that. You are welcome to make a new thread with new suggestions once this thread dies at 40 replies. /hsg/ always dies during Fatburger hours who spam about fapple and gaymen products.
Phenom x2 250 + 8GB RAM 120GB Kingston SSD for OS (OpenMediaVault) 320GB - Data 2TB - Backup from pc/devices 4TB - Series 4TB - Movies
Evan Brooks
>no m.2 wifi slot Ugh, close to perfect
Bentley Flores
Just got my J4250 itx setup assembled. Currently only have 120 gig SSD for OS, hoping to add two HDDs mirrored for NAS. Can I install Debian on baremetal and setup containers and VMs as needed? Would look to have OVM as NAS VM with passthrough of two HDDs for media storage
Brayden Harris
My /sqt/ question would probably be better here
>how to get both processors working in Windows on a Z600?
Christian Sullivan
Are you using a ghetto version of Win10 like home? Pro and Enterprise should be able to use both sockets.
Liam Hernandez
Hmm, I may have picked Home from the installer. Guess I'll redo it.
Oliver Jenkins
Ok, now running with Pro and it works.
Logan Morales
The guys on the forum are right I think, there's a lot more competition in the x86 space with nucs and shit, and the strong software community for odroid doesn't make sense for x86 here, since it's a lot more standardized with regards to software support like hw acceleration. Unless it supports coreboot with the right efuses though Personally waiting for the odroid n2
Connor Allen
I'm going to set up a media server with nextcloud at some point and I have a couple of questions.
If I want to access my content or network in general from WAN, I know I have to port forward but, what is the best way to do this from a security perspective?
Can I use a yubikey to authenticate without typing in a password, like use a certificate or something?
Also my network is split into two, pic related, can I only have my "private" network accessible and not anything else?
Why are external SAS enclosures so expensive? I can understand proper ones with SAS expanders and those kinds of things being expensive, but the average one is >shitty PSU >passive SAS fan-out >COTS tray or trayless drive bays >okay case >no drive identifier/failure LEDs Like you could cobble together an equivalent for $200 new, probably $100 if you dumpster dove for the PSU and case.
Adrian Sanders
s*agate iron wolf 8tb drives yay or nay is it worth paying the extra premium for 10^15 drives im buying 6 of them and going raid z1 or z2 probably
The closes that comes in price/performance ratio (going by ~150 usd for the H2), is the NUC7CJYH with j4005 CPU. The H2 still stands out because of 2x SATA600 and 2 NICs, both of which the NUC has 1 of. I certainly see potential in it.
Tyler Reyes
The desktop versions of windows 10 are all likely to reboot by themselves to install updates if you leave them unattended long enough afaik, so if you want to use it as a server then I'd recommend installing something like windows server on it (or preferably GNU/Linux as it is an OS that both respects your freedom and doesn't suck nigger dicks).
Caleb Watson
>ironwolf cuck SMR 8tb you should just get the Best Buy 10TB drives for $180 each on Black Friday, seriously.
Jacob Peterson
I want to setup a NAS, with very basic needs. I just want one TB of storage to begin with, and want to have an option to upgrade in the future. I want it to be like a Google cloud service replacement. Like being able to access my media from anywhere in the world which has an internet connection. What software, hardware, etc. do I need for this? I want a quality system for as low a price as possible. What do? Thanks.
Owen Murphy
What OS do you use on your laptop(s)/desktop(s)? How familiar are you with linux? Do you want the NAS to be small? Are you okay with fan noise? >I want it to be like a Google cloud service replacement. Do you want Google drive's synchronization functionality, or would you be okay with a simple sftp server? If you want synchronization, do you also want to sync files on your phone? >I just want one TB of storage to begin with Do you already have the 1 TB drive (e.g. used drive from a laptop you want to repurpose)? If so, is it a 2.5" or a 3.5" one?
Wyatt Morgan
I use Windows 10 on my desktop. I can find my way around Linux. A small NAS would be preferable. If it's cheap to omit fan noise I'd rather not have it, if not, okay I guess. I have 3 other people in my house, and I'd like something which allows each of us to have a personal space, accessible by password, which allows backing up of photos, and contacts. Yes, most of the stuff will be synced off the phone. I have an old laptop drive, but it's really overused and slow, so I'll just get a new drive I think.
Jaxson Davis
What is the best SBC right now for a budget single drive nas? I want to make movie backups, host an mpd server and a calibre server.
Elijah Gray
May I add that I'd also like to use it to store and stream movies to my smart TV and stuff.
Okay, so I've got a Dell 7010 Desktop, and I wanted to make a NAS out of it. The problem is, I can mount only 2 3.5" HDDs inside. Is there a (cheap) way to mount some HDDs outside the case? I've read that using a USB external case is a bad idea, and I wanted to make a zfs pool out of my drives. Or should I rather just buy a cheap rack mountable case and buy another motherboard/cpu combo?
James Brooks
Getting into the home server autism means you will eventually want even more space. Get a cheap ass rack but make sure the hdds are well tight.
Jack Miller
Since I have to change almost whole computer, then would: Athlon 200GE Gigabyte B450M DS3H 1x Crucial 8GB DDR4 2666MT s PC4-21300 CL19 SR x8 ECC be enough for 4-6 3TB drives for FreeNAS/OpenMediaVault? Is that processor and mobo even compatible with ECC or am I just retarded? It'd be nice to be able to upgrade the hardware when 7nm CPU's drop anyway. Or should I go for a used R3 1200/1300x at the very start? I don't have much money, but I'd rather buy new and be able to upgrade it in the future, than buying another old system that will be deprecated in 3-4 years.
Parker Thomas
I've been experimenting with a home server using my laptop but want to step up to a proper machine. My options are either to use my old gaming rig with an i5-3570 and 850w psu, or buy cheaper hardware new or secondhand. Noise and power (live in the UK) are primary concerns. Processing power requirements aren't high, as it is mainly for plex (1 stream at a time only), vpn, sonarr, radarr and I'm looking at installing syncthing or nextcloud as well. What would hsg recommend?
Joshua Thompson
I'm only just looking into learning about home servers, is it okay to have different brands and models of hard drives in the same server? First of all is it possible and second is it discouraged?
Angel Rogers
It is possible and usually not a problem.
Jayden Ortiz
Literally does not matter. If you want to do RAID stuff, make sure the biggest HD is smaller than all others combined
Ian Butler
Get a machine with lower power consumption.
Your use case could run off an odroid hc2 or whatever, at most some onboard low power x86.
Cooper Reyes
How do I make a sever that is accessible via WAN secure?
Hunter Russell
could I use this as a desktop for light use? was planning on an athlon ge build
John Adams
what are you accessing
Xavier Jones
>If you want to do RAID stuff, make sure the biggest HD is smaller than all others combined If hypothetically you had 4*2TB drives and one 16TB drive you could surely do a RAID6 array over 5*2TB. It would just leave you with 14TB on the large drive that you will have to use as non-redundant storage until you add more.
Just having no huge drive isn't enough to do most RAID levels either. Can't do a very pretty RAID5/6 setup on 2*1TB, 2*4TB and 2*10TB.
Juan Perez
Nextcloud server, but I would also like to do some server administration with ssh
Charles Robinson
so a file server and ssh? Well I don't know anything about nextcloud but external ssh is typically just a pain in the ass because it gets sprayed all the time. You can whitelist IPs, keys with passphrases, etc, etc, but I figured I would rather just host a VPN and have that be my one point of entry.
Leo Torres
Maybe funnel all connections to it through wireguard, vpn or ssh only.
Reasonable security.
Nathaniel Collins
Who cares if bots try ssh, the point is that they won't get in even if they try, not that they can't try.
Chase Cruz
I might look into a home VPN for hosting, but again security is my concern. I'll look into this, thanks anons
I'm thinking I could do internally signed cert authentication exclusively
Jayden Watson
it's just a better practice to tier out authentication to your network. In the event they DO get in that server is fucked, vs a vpn that you could setup to only let you on the network without instantly compromising something. There's a lot of good reasons to not use external ssh.
I use OpenVPN and think it's fine. Good enough for me at least.
Noah Howard
Would a raspberry pi 3 model b plus be a good torrent server for running 24/7 and having a vpn service running thrue it? I would later try hosting some chat software on my server, maybe a light page for browsing files or something for my friends? Or am i better having a pc for it.
Parker Sanders
I'm going to look into using a VPN, is this better for security than externally hosting shit?
Would I be able to, for example, go to a friend's house on their computer, then authenticate to my server without installing anything? I plan on using a yubikey instead of a password because if I do connect to a compromised gateway, there wouldnt be any risk
Charles Watson
you would need a client to connect if you were using OpenVPN
Ryder Thompson
if you're using ssh without keys and not using fail2ban or other IPS deterrents you're doing it wrong
Jason Perry
>internally signed cert authentication exclusively why not just setup a LetEncrypt cert?
Parker Martin
Is it free? If so, sure why not actually
I see
Dominic Scott
>Is it free That's the whole point of LE certs. Completely free.
really nice piece of kit, what do you do with the VMs? and why Plex and Nextcloud? I'm assuming since you use Plex, you dont use the Nextcloud media features
Daniel Reyes
the vms are mostly lab work, tons of unix/posix shit that runs through LDAP. Plex is tv and movies while nextcloud is photos but that box is mostly NAS for stupid shit i've hoarded over the years.
Jace Sanchez
>hamr you mean MAMR
also SSDs will still be 7-10x the price per gb in the coming years. so nothing is going to change even with QLC SSDs so yeah HDDs will continue to be relevant far into the future.
SSDs still have that tiny issue of degrading performance over time which is another reason they aren't ever going to be reliable for long term data storage
I'm pretty sure you're going to want something more powerful with more RAM for a VPN.
Grayson White
>also SSDs will still be 7-10x the price per gb in the coming years According to pcpartpicker Lowest $/GB for SSDs at the moment: 0.110 Lowest $/GB for HDDs at the moment: 0.019 That's less than 6x the price for SSDs. If you compare 1TB drives, it's closer to 3.5x.
