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no ide would be better for learning so that you learn for example how the compiler is used. in ide you just press a compile button.

Ok, so what program would be better for learning?

Use a small practical text editor such as vim, make files and the tool chain. Nothing in your toolbox should be a mystery to you.

>So what's a better IDE for learning?
For learning the basics. Notepad is the best tool, it will teach you what you really need to know.

>learning c++ at school
change school

Don't you need something to turn your code into binariesbinaries to be able to run your programs?

You write your Makefile with notepad, and use any terminal (even cmd) to run make. Or you can just write a batch script or a shell script, that compile everything. For beginning is the best. It teach what coding is about.

Got it, thank you.

I want to learn C++ to make audio programs (VSTs mainly), not to find a job or to become an excellent programmer.
Is it worth it in my situation to do things the hard way like this?
If I used an IDE that helped me not make mistakes and hid some of these "inner workings" from me, what would bethe downsides be?
Shouldn't I still be able to make the programs I want to make?

introduce them code::blocks
talk about how it is open source and shit

>to become an excellent programmer
>Is it worth it in my situation to do things the hard way like this?

You can't fix stupid

What?

>Is it worth it in my situation to do things the hard way like this?
If you want respect of real developers yes. You will understand everything about automation, because it's impossible to code with notepad, without understanding automation. That's why code monkeys despise the hard way.
>what would bethe downsides be?
Best way to become a code monkey.
>Shouldn't I still be able to make the programs I want to make?
Do you want quality program or crap program?

q.e.d.

Here
codeblocks.codecutter.org/CodeBlocks-EP.zip
The portable code::blocks IDE. Just figure out how to connect it to your computer's compiler and you're done.
Visual studio 2017 enterprise as it should come for free with your student account.
If not, you know how to get it.
Make project with one click, compile with one click, debug with one click. That's all you want and need to learn C/C++.
Everything else is bullshit. You don't need to know how or why the compiler works yet. Get on with the basics of the language itself, everything else is meta data.

lmao

Would the difference between a program made by a code monkey and one made by a serious programmer be great?
I'm almost certainly gonna use the JUCE framework, if that makes a difference.I don't care about respect or anything like that.

Are you sure you read the first post correctly?

>Would the difference between a program made by a code monkey and one made by a serious programmer be great?
Not him but good software has more verbose identifiers, contains fewer lines as a whole, performs better, and is well documented.

he said he DOESNT want to be an excellent programmer you silly goose

Would using a text editor instead of an IDE help improving on those fronts?

Not really, it would be detremental to your learning process, and I'd know - I'm a teaching assistant at my university. Visual studio is the way to go, really. Everything else is "thug lyf look at ma chains" crap or really specialised proprietary solution.

Thank you.

Can I use a smaller IDE or VS is that much better?

You can use whatever you feel comfortable with but you should check out if the framework you want to use doesn't have an addon for your IDE already or something.
Visual studio 2017 community is usually less than 10GB.
Another serious IDE I'd recommend is CLion. That's pretty much it, visual studio for windows and mac, and clion for linux.

no, you can't learn with an ide
you need to teach how to use command line

Alright, thank you very much.

>Would the difference between a program made by a code monkey and one made by a serious programmer be great?
Do I really need to answer?

Just use it dude

No problem.
Yeah in an extracurriculum I do. I also install vscode/emacs setups and print out command line cheat sheets for $15 per bundle.
A beginner does not and should not know about command line trickery.

If we're talking in general about good programmers vs bad ones the answee is obvious, but in the context of his definition of codemonkeys in this discussion (someone who only learned to use an IDE) vs someone who's the same person if he had learned to use a text editor, then the answer might not be that obvious to someone who has never programmed.

Trust me, those who learned only with an IDE and despise primitive tools like notepad, are always code monkeys who produce shitty code.

What do you base those assumptions on?

>What do you base those assumptions on?
Experience. I met a lot of code monkeys, and they're always making fun of notepad.

Well that's funny because every "thug lyfer" in my classes ends up failing or losing a lot of points because he/she submits code without unit tests.
"Brah unit tests r hard to set up on linux lol but chill my codes tested" doesn't cut it. Bye.

We're not talking about unit tests.

>that one guy who doesn't make any sense gets the trips again

*yawn*

Yah, because learning algorith analysis, object oriented design principals, computation theory, operating system procedures, is all fucking useless. All that matters is friends XD

Dropout and become homeless.

This but unironically. Facebook wasn't made because some dude had a PhD in category theory.

If you have ever set foot in school you'd know better than use statistical outliers as a metric.

Well unless you're doing something extraordinary, you're just like the rest of us and should get in line.

I got out of the rat race, but I wouldn't call me extraordinary. Hopefully the point of my post got across because it sure feels like it didn't.

Write a Python VM in C++ and do your programming stuff in Python.