At wich age is "too late" to start a Jow Forums career?

Startups want young and hip people, the guy delivering was pizza at my house was more qualified than I was, but no company wanted to hire him because he was 50ish.

I started at 24, now 29 code monkey
feels good to have comfy dev Jow Forums job

>Startups want young and hip people
But most established companies do not.

I'm going to let Jow Forums in on a secret, the reason why all you freshly graduates are unable to find a job is because you are young and inexperienced (in life, as well as with work). No boss wants to hire someone arrogant brat younger than their own kids for something critical to their business. Startups are the only notable exception I can think of, but then again, 8 or 9 out of 10 startups fail during the first 4 years.

Of course, being too old and looking for jobs is not good either, because nobody wants a hire that is close to retirement age. Voluntarily quitting your job at 50 and hoping you'll find something else is outright stupid.

Try learning a little bit of CS on your own. Being a programmer whilst hating programming is a living hell. Make sure it's something you want to pursue before you put major money into it. I can't speak for other countries, but in America, if you can get a degree in CS, it helps a ton and makes learning very easy, but isn't exactly necessary. You can probably get away with a coding bootcamp and a web dev job if you're okay with

its never too late user. when I went to Uni for CS, there were some students who were in their 40s and 50s. they were always the most studious too.

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>Try learning a little bit of CS on your own. Being a programmer whilst hating programming is a living hell.

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>start a job programming Monday after graduating at 27 (BS EE)
>lost it in less than a year because the company wasn't getting revenue to pay wages
>haven't had full-time employment since February
Feels bad man. I've applied to more than 75 jobs, with probably about a five out of six split for local versus out of state. People just aren't hiring, which I know is bullshit because 75% of the jobs are for people with years of experience... and very few if any for entry level.

See the third requirement for what they expect someone to manage milking equipment to have.

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Hey, now, there are outliers for everything.
I started at 24 as a web scraper with no history in technology and no degree. I'm a sr engineer for a large multinational company today.
That doesn't mean OP can do it, though, if he's asking questions this retarded.

Do they want you to mange the fucking milking equipment or join in on the local, weeklyMennonite barn raising? wtf is this retarded shit?

It's a mock job opening, intended to highlight the "challenges" for software engineers to be (i.e. demanding having built an application before). There's obviously no such thing as a "dairy engineer".

>tfw trying to start programming at 22
>breezing through my stupid CS courses with perfect grades
>can't actually do anything at all
>professors don't actually program anything either
I'm two weeks from deciding whether to go full CS or jump ship into something maths related. Save me.

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Is there a such thing as a Poe effect for job postings? Because I've seen enough "Happiness Coordinator" and other BS titles in the past that this isn't all that ridiculous to me.

I started at 32 and five years later I’m at the top of my field. It’s never too late; but you had better be good.

>degree

Shoo, shoo, greedy Jew. No one needs to go 100k in debt to get a good job in software.

Never too old granted you have the time, money, and dedication to dedicate yourself to it.

Try making a good program.
If you can, you use this good program as a portfolio.

That's a real job I applied to.

No one "needs" to get a job in software either, but a degree is by far your best shot seeing how HR will throw your application straight in the trash during the screening process without a technical person ever reading it if you don't have one.

Of fucking course your degree is irrelevant when applying for your third or fourth job, but getting the first job is the tricky bit and you need to be all sorts of exceptional to manage to catch an employer's eye if you don't meet the minimum requirements exactly. And while these people certainly exist, they don't hang around on Jow Forums, that's for sure.

Applied Maths make big bucks. Basically data analysis. Even women get high paying jobs in it.

I transferred from a free AS living at home to uni (5 semesters, SUNY system). Only ~$35k in debt. The bigger problem was the work was "designed around groups" i.e. cheating from your friends, so my grades suffered when everyone had their clique already. I'm not brown or yellow or a woman so I didn't get a free pass.

>Requirements: You have designed and built at least one barn up from the ground with proven results

No, it's not.

>There's obviously no such thing as a "dairy engineer".
My company has a "liaison engineer" who to my knowledge just sits in her office and sends out annoying emails.

indeed.com/viewjob?jk=c5432f113bf3f845

Yes, it is.

Is 31 too old?
Asking for a friend

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JUst do it fucking pussy. I asked myself should I switch to CSE everyday during my undergrad until I went back for second degree in compE

Once Alzheimer or similiar disease kicks in, usually in old age. Before that it's always a green light, it'll just take more time and effort the older you are.

I help hire for my department at a Fortune 500 and we've had to go through HR's "unqualified" folder every time to actually find some candidates to interview because everything they send us is either candidates outright lying on their resume just because of the job posting or complete garbage that couldn't even code Hello World in HTML.

It's unfortunate, but we are not allowed to posts jobs ourselves. Bureaucracy...

>tfw 29
>tfw too old
>getting older symptoms already showing
>dropped college like 8y - 9y ago
>never had a job in my life

I'm not gonna make it Jow Forums bros

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Yes you will

Money is not a problem, I live in Mexico and university is free.

shoo shoo spicboy

At the age you start making threads in Jow Forums looking for excuses.
Your greatest enemy isn't age(ism), but rather that Jow Forums, vidya, and instant gratification in general fries your brain.
Procrastination is hell.

No one will care about your age if you are good.

Startups are neat to pad your resume but IBM doesnt give a fuck about your age as long as you're moderately young.
50 might be pushing it tho. Most companies wont bother making an investment if you're gonna retire in 10 years and you're gonna be sick half of that.

Ok, this hits way too close home.

No need to be xenophobe, I'm a human being just like you.

Why is it that so much of university feels like this?

There is a gap between the "academic" world and the "trade" world, the "trades" are seen as blue collar or lower jobs. And yet if someone becomes an electrician or plumber for example, almost all of their time is spent exclusively training with tangible skills they will need for their job.

It's so weird to me college has this reputation of being for "smarter" people, but seems to demand less in the way of actual SKILLS. it's more "fluff" so to speak. and more built on pretense and formalities etc. then real world practical training.

What kind of development? And were you self taught? If so, how long did it take you to get employed?

Just end it

>He needs to spend $100k to get a degree

Fucking burgerland, lmao

I started at 29 and everything was fine. Teenie boppers on the Internet feel the need to justify every choice they've ever made by pretending, outwardly, that if it's not the single best choice, then it's at least one of the only valid choices.

The real answer is that people mostly don't give it shit, if your interviewer is a dev and not an HR lady he's barely going to notice your age unless you're really old looking or have a complete babyface

tl;dr: ignore the retards here who crosspost to Jow Forumscscareerquestions

University isn't supposed to be practical training, and CS isn't a trade.

>literally 10 months
>only applied for 75 jobs
lmao

10

You do not want a Jow Forums career. Go for a skilled trade. You won't make as much money but you'll have less stress and better job stability, and most of the work is piss easy if you have IQ above room temperature.

its not worth wasting your time, i tried to go back to uni to start at 22 and 25 and i could never make it past calc 2... i failed too much to get any financial aid and then the CS dept didn't want me anyway. If i could go back in time i'd go to a boot camp but i've already wasted so much money taking stupid general education for uni I'm switching to business administration.

Nowadays this is even less true, unis, except for top-tiers and Ivys, are just shitholes for niggers and women

See also, the absolute state:
youtube.com/watch?v=jGyfmhFobdM

>while these people certainly exist, they don't hang around on Jow Forums
I call bullshit. I did this, no degree. I hang around on Jow Forums and it's fucking pathetic.
see:

What the fuck has Jared Taylor and his retarded identity politics to do with CS? Keep Jow Forums in Jow Forums, please.

>his retarded identity politics
t. leftist cuckhold in denial
>wahhh what does a point being made about university have to do with a discussion about university

now that I think about it, this could be there to either scare people off OR to make sure you read the requirements when you reach the interview. ffs, they're asking 1 year of experience... who's gonna engineer a barn in their 1st year?

CS is a subfield of mathematics, hence why it isn't a fucking job training course like plumbing. Go fuck off over to Jow Forums if you want to discuss political science and/or social science.

>white genocide is the reason I can't get a programming job

5 years old.

Too old to be a prostitot.

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>CS is a subfield of mathematics
yeah, easy math that any high school kid can do without issue, you egotistical faggot

The point is, CS isn't a course in programming, and university isn't supposed to be job training. Complaining about how CS teaches you nothing about the latest Java Spring frameworks is nonsensical.

>easy math that any high school kid can do without issue
Then why did you drop out, user?

This is unironically the counterargument of a privileged white/Jewish/Asian asshole, in a sane world this would change, this is why we are having this discussion. Yes, we all know that uni is not supposed to be vocational training. Fuck off

I'm another user, not that one

I'm in my 30s in a similar never had a job situation (but I'm close I'm waiting on paperwork from this warehouse) but I do know that it is totally illegal for them to discriminate based on age so honestly just don't tell them your age. I sure as hell won't.

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>tfw my 5yo child isnt already working 7 to 9 on his Linux propietary AI blockchain Fortune 500 startup multinational job
At what age do would you euthanize this parasitic failure of a child? I was thinking 8 if he doesnt get a job by them, but I dont want the other 17 to think im some sort of communist hippie.

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>do a /sci/ degree
>now and again pick Jow Forums courses like operating systems, programming and digital instrumentation
>it’s literally easier than high school calculus

Any moron can pursue a Jow Forums career, I bet you most of said people can’t even perform calculus operations

>This is unironically the counterargument of a privileged white/Jewish/Asian asshole,
Cry more, faggot.

>in a sane world this would change, this is why we are having this discussion.
In a sane world, i.e. not the US, university is free and people don't have to drown themselves in 100k debts. But ironically, you think that it is socialism to provide free higher education to your own citizens, while at the same time complain that companies are importing foreigners because they can't find properly educated citizens.

>Yes, we all know that uni is not supposed to be vocational training
Then why did you even reply?

>In a sane world, i.e. not the US, university is free
LOL
is this post advanced satire?

tfw some literal eurofaggot is talking down to me while enjoying all of the privileges of his practical ethnostate

kys

not OP but actually it's probably less "finding properly educated" and more them wanting to purposely inflate requirements so they can hire cheaper outsourced labor because they "couldn't find anyone" but actually could

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>"don't get a degree, uni is only full of niggers and women anyway"
>"baaaaawwww why won't anyone hire me???? white genocide!!!"
>"how dare you criticise me, you're white and privileged!!!!!"

I honestly can't tell if this is false flagging or if identity politics just have corroded your brain.

You can try but its honestly a waste of money. You have like 10 years of catch up you gotta do

>waste of money
You don't need any money to learn how to program and learn basic CS concepts. Just time. The question is, how to get a job with this knowledge?

Americans are extremely entitled and lazy, they seem to be under the impression that society owes them a job and when reality hits them in the face, they start blaming things on minorities.

I was actually offered a position in the US (pic related) and they wanted me in on a O visa or something. Offering me $110k + 10% bonus is clearly not "cheaper outsourced labor".

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At about 90 I think

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Not even joking. If you haven't proven your talent by that age in a hobbyist environment you will wind up in a shitty dead end job.

Oh of course I don't blame the minorities, I'm not a piece of shit like that. I target the companies that act like assholes. But I'm of course not saying that is the case with all outsourced labor. Your example points to a better case.

Additionally

>no car
>no high shool diploma either though I did graduate
>just a semi-retarded brainlet with a learning disability since kinder I even repeated it

sad sad sad at this rate there's almost no way out and may as well kms within the next several years

you're a fucking moron
>multiple anons say different things
>you strawman me repeatedly
I love how you just went back to your original nonsense post btw, your brain is stuck in an infinite loop you absolute nigger

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Trust no one over 30.

>muh NPC
Cringe

None at least not in my country, a lot more people have been changing their careers in their 40s and 50s in the recent years

Imagine being so insecure and having so much of an superiority complex that you blame recommending getting a degree on the jews, blame women and black people for not having learned anything useful in college, and blame not getting hired on Indians.

Sounds exactly like those leftist blackies that blame everything on "institutional racism" and microaggressions.

If you think that's bad you need to see how bad it is in Western Europe now. Everyone around me is lazy, dumb, and think they should get a government job.

The EU was a mistake.

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>If you think that's bad you need to see how bad it is in Western Europe now.
>Everyone around me is lazy, dumb, and think they should get a government job.
I am from Western Europe (or rather Northern Europe), and government jobs are considered the lowest of the low and barely better than being on welfare.

if you can't spell anymore, it's too late.

doesn’t matter what age you’re smart, if you’re not a normalfag NPC with room temp IQ you can learn anything at any age. don’t know what’s with all the demoralization agents itt, maybe they’re just projecting

I started at 26

>Startups are neat to pad your resume but IBM doesnt give a fuck about your age as long as you're moderately young.

Wrong, even IBM discriminates.

fastcompany.com/40548110/ibms-ageism-scandal-5-ways-the-company-reportedly-screwed-older-workers

Ageism really worries me as a 28 year old dude. I'll need a plan B by the time I'm 40.

>Dairy Engineer

It's ok user I'm 23