wagecuck to developer
can it be done?
i already have a math&cs degree but didn't get any internships so i couldn't find a job upon graduation.
Wagecuck to developer
wagecuck to developer
already have a math&cs degree but didn't get any internships so i couldn't find a job upon graduation.
america is a fucking hellhole
These days I would much rather be flipping burgers than working as a developer.
america is a fucking hellhole
it was kind of my fault. my degree wasn't a pure CS degree, but a hybrid between math and cs so the cs courses i took were Computability Theory, Algorithms, Machine Learning, and lower division courses like data structures, computer organization. but i didn't take any of the really programming heavy courses like OS, Compilers,Software Engineering, etc. so i wasn't the best programmer compared to actual CS students.
no you wouldn't. im at an amazon warehouse, trust me this type of work blows.
dude, if you mentioned you have anything to do with IT where I live, you would get quartered by people trying to drag you behind the desk in their company
anything to do with IT
my point was I don't have much experience with this. It mostly on the theory side of comp sci.
You have to sell yourself. It doesn't fucking matter what you majored in. When you get interviews, you don't say that you didn't find an internship because you suck, you say you didn't get one because you were working on side project. If you want to get good volunteer at your local university / college to do research with a professor for free. We had a kid that graduated with a shit GPA and no job offers but volunteered to work for us for free doing grunt work while working at McDs, worked his way up to publications and job offers.
It's like me, I didn't get a second BS in Computer Science & Engineering because I couldn't get into medical school with my biology degree, but because I fell in love with computers. Do you see what I'm saying?
t. doing freelance windows/unix dev for decent hourly rate
This. School doesn't prepare you for work. School is supposed to provide employers with easy-to-read identifiers of value (although employers are complaining that they don't even get that right).
Where do you live?
Nice try Schlomo
Everyone know Bengaluru is the real tech capital of India
try IT department and after working for a few months to year fill in on an internal developer posting
are you in the US and willing to relocate? there are companies that hire junior devs who can fizzbuzz, but they relocate you.
yea i'll relocate.
bitching about working at a warehouse
yeah there are plenty worse jobs then that
I got a math and EE degree (double major) and got a job as a software dev just to spite CS cucks. one less job available for you losers
Be glad you're in murica.
Start your own business!
look up launchcode
woah cool thanks. looks too good to be true though. is there a catch?
is there an alternative for OCE countries like australia ?
This country reeks of death and decay until you sit in a comfy air conditioned office
im considering heavily to relocate to canada with a work viza
I think the "catch" is that you have to prove yourself as an apprentice and probably not get paid much at the beginning. they say most ppl make it to fulltime from their apprenticeship tho.
is there an alternative for OCE countries like australia ?
dont know of one sorry.
Go wagecuck and work in a hotel as a night receptionist. Pay is average but you make lots of money off of idiots with one simple trick.
also there's a site called triplebyte.com
they're a startup matching devs to tech companies
launched in 2015 (?)
so they only cover SFO, NYC, and recently launched in LA county and SEA-TAC
choose one? salesman is the only way to get a shit ton of money without doing a business. And marketing/advertising.
bro i get payed shit tier comission and make like 60$ a day, and this is supposed to be a 1st world country (australia)
and the worst thing is, my pay doesnt compile linearly with my commission meaning the business choses to pay the greater sum wether it be from commissions or my 60$ wage slave pay (if i didnt make more then 3 sales, since 60x5 = 300 and if i was to make 4 sales then 400>300)
and got a job as a software dev
What shit did you have in your resume that got you hired?
developers aren't wagecucks.
Seems like you need projects and coding knowledge that could get you hired anyways without launchcode.
This happened to me. Start grad school, go for internships again, this time you'll get them because you already have a BS. Then get them to convert you to full time, or apply to real full time jobs because now you have internship experience.
Or, worst case, get a MS.
You sound like a shit salesman bro.
t. Makes 90K a year selling hardwood floors lmao
I started last this week on thursday dude...
i had my first day where i got 5 people to make appointments for next week
im fucking shit and i hate it but atleast i can see some progression, also im fucking quitting it in about 2-3 weeks to go work as a barista
He probably works at Harvey Norman or some shit. Those stores always seem so deserted with more employees than customers, no idea how they stay in business.
nah mate i work B2B selling businesses electricity plans from a company that owns a generator in victoria
my goal is to pretty much sell them that i can cut their bills, i do this by breaking out the calculator and comparing their kw/h rates plus supply charges
then i give them a quote and tell them if they are interested ill swing by next week
its very stressfull since some people tell you to get the fuck out (cuz they think you're trying to close down their business by scamming them) , pull a gun on you (like a guy i know had done to him) or , the worst, waist my fucking time explaining why they wont switch
old people are the best usually since they are nice and give you time, aslong as they arent retarded i can legally make a sale with them
from chef in restaurant to react dev
thanks to udemy and youtube
it can be achieved boys
good luck to you
I did it. Just gotta work hard user.
I literally did that
June 2018: Five Guys, treated like non-human object, consistently yelled at
July 2018: web development at established company, benefits, nice people to work with
The only thing stopping you from doing the same is you
what did you do ? did you learn a specific language or nepotism ?
nvm just read you do webdevelopment
ie you make coffees
user you are fucking terrible at selling yourself
here is how it goes:
"I have a mathematics and computer science degree, so I developed a strong analytical and mathematics background which I coupled with learning the intricacies of software engineering"
there, bam, 10 million jobs for you
C++ code monkey here
I second this
I would rather shovel cow shit than work as a developer
Programming is the modern day burger flipping.
But why? Because it became too complicated or there is something else?
I daresay that working as a developer is orders of magnitude better than dead-end wageslave jobs especially those in food service, retail, and hospitality.
I got a 2 year meme degree in information security and fucking loved it, but I don't have the programming ability to get a job in the field (can fizzbuzz and do other relatively easy exercises in Java). So I'm stuck looking for a management-tier job in tech while working for a hotel. While the hotel is comfy as fuck to work for, the pay is low and job prospects are slim to none.
No. Kill yourself and try again
what's the best entry level job/internship for me lads
actual social interaction skills and great public speaking
2 associate's degrees in cs and programming
work experience from 2 jobs
taken algorithms analysis, software engineering, shit ton of math, and webdev
don't know where to fucking start looking
programming can be stimulating but for most jobs it will be soul sucking
sure it pays more but you’d end up feeling like a zombie
I am in a weird situation where my University offers specializations in second year, and my choices basically boil down to
Web dev and mobile dev, could say Dev in general
Game dev (All of it, coding, modelling, sound etc.)
And i don't know what to chose, i love making games and games in general but many say the amount of jobs avaiable is a joke compared to web or mobile dev. Also you can see many crying about how game dev is shitty, what to do? Should i bite the bullet and go for game dev and risk or just stick to the "simple" things like web and mobile dev
because looking for bugs every fucking day for years is not fun
If you are working years already you should go freelance, your portfolio should allow it.
Pay me enough and I'll be a work zombie as long as I'm paid enough to enjoy life outside of work.
I don't care if my work is boring if it pays. Free time is for fun anyway.
Why are you implying developer is not wagecuck?
How do you people do that? I had to drop studying cause I had too much programming work. I have no fucking major in anything, yet I teach people who will at a fucking university (it's official, not some "side-education").
Ask yourself one motherfucking important question: what do I like to do? And do that.
You like porn? Start a pornsite. You like games? Start fucking making games. Figure it the fuck out, noone's gonna be there to tell you what the fuck do you want, man.
Specializations don't mean shit. After ending the studies it won't mean shit what you took out there. Studies will just give you a very vague taste of what you'd do there. And btw web dev & game dev are a joke - the monaaay is in big data nowadays, man.
You like games? Start fucking making games
How do you get hired tho, do you like make 5 games in Unity go to random game studios and say
Look what i made, i made this, hire me.
that could work
I did just fucking that.
Check your local gamejams.
I had TWO WHOLE FUCKING A4
PAGES of games I've done after a year.
At the interviews I had to do nothing,
people were basically doing everyhting to convince me to work for them.
It actually does.
If you made that many games in a year I'm not sure I'd hire you
One of the companies were so fucking willing to do anything to hire me that they almost agreed for a giant zebra throne for me with a constantly full barrel oy yerba mate just for me.
Didn't agree just because I don't like such desperate people - that sounded like balancing on the rim of a scam.
Let me guess, mobile game shit.
And what's wrong with that ? Those were gamejam things, prooving that I'ma one quick motherfucker.
If you make games in the span of weeks they can't be very complex games
You call that a mobile game shit? Ok.
If you're willing to use philosophy, then make money with that.
If you're willing to do business - make money outtta games - then mobile market is there for ya.
mobile games aren't games, don't confuse the two, people might mistake you for a real developer
Have you every worked on any big projects? Those are made by mutliple human beings. The numbers are in tens of, maybe hundreds of people. I take part in loads of games doing my thing.
The point is if you make very simple games you don't have the experience to work on complex problems
just because you can't sprint doesn't mean you can run a marathon
Not him, but if it makes money then I don't think it matters whether or not it's a "game."
Oh, the classic eltist argument.
Ok, let me tell you something.
Before the whole "free to play" and "mobile" markets, you could easily loose a job in gamemaking because of very. Little. Shits. Thanks to this whole mobile thing, my company is able to make money so that we can work on our "special" project that elitist like you would call "a game".
making mobile games so you can make a real game doesn't usually work out in my experience
You're embedding yourself in a market and skills that don't often translate that well
Before the whole "free to play" and "mobile" markets, you could easily loose a job in gamemaking because of very. Little. Shits
And how do you know those games were "simple"? I did strategy games. I did visual novels. I did some simulators on jams. Kept the variety all over the place.
Because you made them in days or weeks, duh
Oh, you don't know?
Ok, before mobile market, your company made a game, it got sent to a plant, made onto physical media, and went to gamers. You had no way of knowing if it'll catch on - all was a one huge fucking bet that it'd sell. Often it occured, that a studio had to close after releasing a game cause it wasn't just good enough - it didn't made enough money - and layoffs were a thing.
Are you implying game studios that don't make good games today don't have to shut down? Because if so I have some unpleasant news for you
Ahahahahaha. Nah man.
You're getting it all wrong.
Even if you made a good game you had no way
of telling if it sells, if there are any problems that
need to be fixed, or react to the market situation.
Look at the example of studio clover - they've released critically aclaimed games like Okami... and got closed.
So you're saying sales records were only invented in the past decade?
But big data was employed into gamemaking just in the last decade, and along with it many little things like in-app-payments which make your income this-much-more stable.
I think that this discussion will go nowhere at all. I also had to swallow the fuck my pride and work on mobile stuff - and just then I've realised how much of a redemption it is for us, gamedevs.
Just fucking take some online courses for modern programming.
Learn Node.js, Java, C++, Android.
Then just apply for work.
Most entry level jobs actually teach you how to cooperate with the team, the only hard part is showing you are capable of it.
You're just easily intimidated, that's called being a loser. Sometimes you have to get out of your comfort zone to be a winner.
Big data is only relevant if you're making unethical mobile games in the first place, the real game industry is still the same
Not seeing how mobile is redeeming gamedev, you aren't a gamedev, you're a mobiledev, you might aswell be making casino games, not a bad job either if money is all you care about
thinking that programming is worth it in 2018
In 2006 you could make $150,000 starting just being able to barely use dreamweaver. The explosion of basedboys and pajeet have made computer programming into the mcjob professionals.
Not learning C# instead of Java
developers are wagecucks
How do i make games if i am an artlet
Make 2d sprite games then