Why have you not joined the SSD masterrace?

Christian Morales
Christian Morales

Why have you not joined the SSD masterrace?

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superuser.com/questions/1102184/how-can-i-securely-wipe-an-ssd
extremetech.com/computing/205382-ssds-can-lose-data-in-as-little-as-7-days-without-power

James Sullivan
James Sullivan

But I have user.
My Kindian SSD just arrived.
Hope 120GB is enough for windows.

Christian Davis
Christian Davis

just replaced the drive on my T420 with a 1TB ssd

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

Because it doesnt make that much of a difference

Nolan Richardson
Nolan Richardson

Getting a large ssd seems retarded when you can just get a small one for your OS and like twice as much HDD storage

Mason Murphy
Mason Murphy

I did. Now SHUT

Cameron King
Cameron King

I have.
Got a 2tb m.2 SSD for $400

James Butler
James Butler

From what I've seen 120 GB is enough for Windows itself, its updates and a few small programs.

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

1TB HDD is like $30
1TB SSD is like $300
that's why

Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

1TB ssd is $100

Brody Allen
Brody Allen

Because I can't be sure that it will actually wipe the data on the drive.

If your SSD PROPERLY implements secure erase enhanced, you can wipe it clean. You'll have to trust the vendor though.
superuser.com/questions/1102184/how-can-i-securely-wipe-an-ssd

Easton Richardson
Easton Richardson

1tb hdd is $50
1tb ssd is $100 and dropping

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

I can't think of any universe where this is even close to true.

If you're building a pc in 2018 buy a fuckin SSD. I bought a crucial 500GB SSD for $75 bucks just for my server, and a 120GB SSD for $25 for my mom's old laptop to give it more life.

Aaron Thompson
Aaron Thompson

???

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Charles Evans
Charles Evans

NVMe PCIe
Meme speeds

Oliver Reed
Oliver Reed

860 Evo 250GB represent

Nathaniel Gutierrez
Nathaniel Gutierrez

1TB HDD eats 1 year of your life span
1TB SSD eats 1 hour

Camden Martin
Camden Martin

which speeds are you getting?
I'm using one of those and barely get 2xx

Colton Ross
Colton Ross

3500MB/s vs 600MB/s
meme
what

Aiden Price
Aiden Price

It's a meme for consumers. An incontrovertible fact.

Austin Walker
Austin Walker

Some old German mate from my laboratory that got addicted to buying chink stuff bought the same from ebay and it started corrupting data in less then 2 weeks of use. So keep on eye on S.M.A.R.T data user. It was probably just bad luck though.

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Joseph Gonzalez
Joseph Gonzalez

If there was RAM with 6x the speed, would that also be a meme or nah?

Thomas Clark
Thomas Clark

this. i dont notice any speed gain.

Angel Cooper
Angel Cooper

If there were aliens on Mars, would you cancel the mission to Mars?

Ryan Carter
Ryan Carter

Still waiting for 8TB SSD drives for less than $160 to replace my fleet of 2~8TB drives

Heck I'd probably bite the bullet if 8TB SSDs were only double the price of 8TB HDDs. For now though, I'll just stick with 8TB HDDs for $160

Carter Brown
Carter Brown

2.5" sata ssd, not m2 you retard

William Gutierrez
William Gutierrez

Because HDDs and NVME are all I need.

Brandon Stewart
Brandon Stewart

Hope it doesn't die on me, thanks for the heads up user.
I haven't installed windows yet, though, I saw some spanish reviews of it and it got decent speeds.

Logan Myers
Logan Myers

yeah, I'm planning to use the ssd only for the os, I have another 500GB HDD for other programs.

Jayden Jones
Jayden Jones

I'm waiting for my Crucial SSD, should arrive early next week.

Gabriel Morgan
Gabriel Morgan

I have this one

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Juan Price
Juan Price

Or, you can get a large one for your OS and some other shit, then a large HDD as well.

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Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

Still too expensive, I'll have to stick to my WD Blue 1TB for now.

I have 2x4TB drives for storage as well.

Jonathan Evans
Jonathan Evans

Recently got this bad boy, a ton faster than a 5400RPM drive from 2011.

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Jack Adams
Jack Adams

Bought 2 ocz vertex drives in 2007 or 8
Always have OS and gaymes on their own ssd and have a server with tb hdds for media and such
Got an nvme a few years ago, love it too

Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward

another ssd thread
another thread filled with retards who can't fathom looking past price per GB or can't fathom the notion of having both SSDs and HDDs in there system for the best of both worlds

Jose Baker
Jose Baker

Cause I'm too lazy to unscrew my laptop

Ian Reed
Ian Reed

outlives your ssd
nuthing personnel kid

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Kevin Wright
Kevin Wright

If you use Windows, CPU is gonna be your biggest bottleneck for random I/O performance, unless if all you do is transfer movies every hour, memeVe is not worth it.

Adam Brooks
Adam Brooks

electronics randomly fail
Tell us something we don't already fucking know

Chase Hughes
Chase Hughes

If you posted a HGST or WD drive I would've believed you.

Levi Mitchell
Levi Mitchell

All magnetic storage will last decades in archival. Flash storage like used in SSDs will leak electrons and corrupt data when left unpowered.

Elijah Myers
Elijah Myers

Why the fuck are you using an HDD then for archiving and not tape?

Joseph James
Joseph James

The usual number I see for data retention is 10 years but this was a long time ago. Now that there's TLC and QLC memory, I'm seriously worried how long retention rates are now.

Parker Nguyen
Parker Nguyen

tape isn't magnetic storage
And HDDs are only faulty for their mechanical parts, while SSDs are faulty for their class of storage.
10 years
It's unpredictable, depending on existing wear, power-on temperature (higher=better), and power-off temperature (lower=better, so there's no sure ballpark figure. Worst case could be as little as one week. That manufactures don't even advertise it to consumers should be warning enough. Which is why an SSD for anything other than a boot drive/IO-dependent performance is a consumerist meme.

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Brandon Jenkins
Brandon Jenkins

You hear this guys?
LTO tape isn't magnetic storage so I guess it just works on magic crystals or something

Hudson Jenkins
Hudson Jenkins

why does Jow Forums love ssd threads?

Brody Turner
Brody Turner

I used to think ssds were not worth it and costed wayyy too much but then I got a laptop with an ssd. I don't regret it.

Now at days when I reccomend pc builds, I hesitate to even offer a pc build without an ssd.

Matthew Ramirez
Matthew Ramirez

Windows will only take 30-40gb max, the remaining 80-90gb is plenty of space for programs

It's only not enough if you're getting games and lots of movies

Nicholas Davis
Nicholas Davis

Meanwhile mSATA/m2 NVME SATA SSDs are like $50 for 250GB

Fuck everything, I just want an SSD in my laptop while having a 1TB HDD in the drive bay

Hunter Garcia
Hunter Garcia

Fucking nobody recommends using ssd's for archiving, jackass.

This is a completely pointless comparison.

For regular use you will probably power on an ssd at least more than once a year, resetting the clock for losing data because the chips get re-powered.

Blake Clark
Blake Clark

I got that exact one for €115.

Evan Nguyen
Evan Nguyen

extremetech.com/computing/205382-ssds-can-lose-data-in-as-little-as-7-days-without-power

Expected data retention is 105 weeks @ 25C, 30C (which the sub tropics regularly hit) drops down to 1 year for consumer drives.

Enterprise SSDs only last 20 weeks @ 25C and as low as 7 days if stored in higher temps.

If you happen to accidentally leave a laptop or external SSD drive in a car on a trip, you just might loose everything on it.

Daniel James
Daniel James

"goy, buy this 1TB ssd!"
ssd fills up
either transfer to HDD/other media, meaning you could have bought an HDD in the first place, or let rot in closet
Show me one manufacturer that advertises its SSDs as being unsuitable for archival. You can't, because they advertise them as direct replacements to HDDs despite the technology not being so.

Josiah Robinson
Josiah Robinson

m2 NVME SATA
I meant NGFF not NVME

Still why the fuck are the card versions of SSDs so expensive when you can just take a part a 2.5 inch SSD to find it's the same size or fucking smaller??

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Bentley Foster
Bentley Foster

Seamengate Barracuda or WD Green is better than even the bestest jewest SSD

Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams

Show me one manufacturer that advertises its SSDs as being unsuitable for archival.
I don't think I've seen any manufacturer advertise them for archiving.
You can't, because they advertise them as direct replacements to HDDs despite the technology not being so.
They are direct replacements for actual usage. If you're actually accessing them, they will outlast HDDs by far.

HDDs are also shit for backup. The industry uses tape for a reason. HDD controllers boards still have chips on them that will fail over time.

Joshua Wright
Joshua Wright

most people dont keep more than 1 tb of mongolian basket weaving instructions on their computer at a time

also, why do you have to replace HDD's when you can just supplement them

Elijah Turner
Elijah Turner

I recently read data off of an old IDE laptop HDD. I seriously doubt the data would have been legible would it have been an SSD of the same age.

Thomas Miller
Thomas Miller

Wait, why the fuck would Enterprise SSDs have lower retention? Don't they use SLC or some shit? This is baffling

Kevin Carter
Kevin Carter

Performance and higher write tolerances probably have something to do with it.

Jackson Nelson
Jackson Nelson

The only major problem with SSDs is writing to them kills them.

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

Bought a UD Pro 256gb gigabyte 3D TLC/dram cache SSD at 45 dollars for OS/programs, and will be getting a 480gb cheapo SSD for storage, maybe a kingston a400 or sandisk ssd plus, those are at around 65 usd.

Jacob Butler
Jacob Butler

For several years now, writing to SSDs kills them much slower than writing to HDDs kills those.

Carson Murphy
Carson Murphy

WD blue 1tb
my nigga

Jace Flores
Jace Flores

and will be getting a 480gb cheapo SSD for storage, maybe a kingston a400 or sandisk ssd plus, those are at around 65 usd.
Why?
For storage there's no reason to use an ssd.

And where the fuck are you finding the 480gb ones for $65?

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

I did
I got a 500 gig nvme for $100

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Kayden Smith
Kayden Smith

I've had a cheap ass Crucial 480GB since 2014 and it has been fantastic

Write-cycle memes a shit

Carson Perry
Carson Perry

there is a diminish return that you can notice, like if you have a 10000MB/s vs the 3500 you will not notice shit

Christian Cook
Christian Cook

I was an early adopter back in ~2010. Not having to put up with a HDD making those irritating grinding sounds while the system is working at a snails pace is a godsend. I don't get how people put up with this shit.

Josiah Thompson
Josiah Thompson

nice trips
also you probably could get an m.2 ssd for $100 but the retard picked the most expensive 1tb ssd he could find

Christopher Robinson
Christopher Robinson

It's 2018. Even cheap SSDs have high enough workload ratings for desktops. Don't put that shit in a server tho.
This is true. SATA to NVMe is a nice upgrade but not nearly the crucial upgrade that is HDD to SSD

Nolan Gray
Nolan Gray

I recently pushed a m.2 SATA SSD (WD Blue m.2) onto a real estate client, for their receptionist's thinkcentre minipc, to replace a wd black HDD that wore out since they use it to share on a network some files and shit.
Did I fuck up? Should I have pushed something else on them? It only has room for 2.5" SATA or m.2. I think I made the best choice anyways.
Thinking about Samsung 970 Pro or WD Black 1TB for myself for my E580, to replace the 256GB Lenovo NVMe.

Jackson Morales
Jackson Morales

Because I'm a patient guy

Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

Not quiete. Best prices on 1TB SSDs are like $130 from what I'm seeing.

Adam Cook
Adam Cook

compare cheapest HDD to most expensive SSD

Jaxson Carter
Jaxson Carter

Header crashes and disaster recovery is nearly impossible on current HDDs

Oliver Jones
Oliver Jones

Unless they are hammering that drive and rewriting it multiple times a day, they will throw away that PC before the SSD NAND fails
For some reason there is this weird misconception that SSD will fail prematurely because of limited writes but it takes daily abuse for an SSD to fail in only a few years
Worst case normal scenario is database work or scratch disk work for video editing and rendering for literally everyone else an SSD can last a century

Chase Campbell
Chase Campbell

Because literally every single long term database and enterprise study has shown that HDDs are superior when it comes to data retention and reliability.

HDDs fail suddenly, usually with a warning that they are going to fail sometime in the near future. But the data is basically pernamently locked in place on the platters until it is read, or you melt the drive down.

SDDs have way more insidious of a failure mode: they slowly and quietly corrupt data without warning. This starts in around 3-5 years of use. No smart warning. No mechanical sounds warning the impending demise. Just silent, growing corruption.

It is why spinning rust is still used in enterprise database settings.

I keep nothing mission critical on flash media. If you do, you are an idiot.

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James Jones
James Jones

The Google studies say it starts dying after 3-5 years, even when powered on constantly and not really accessed.

Dylan Morgan
Dylan Morgan

I have a 100% failure rate on my 8 Seagate HDDs after 2 years

Brayden Sanchez
Brayden Sanchez

What is the average life expectancy for some of the older SSDS, anyway? I know the newer 120GB ones are supposedly around 100TB of writes, but what about some of the older like 2010ish) msata ones? They all seem to just list expectancy in hours.

Camden Cruz
Camden Cruz

I've had mixed success with Seagate. They either fail immediately, 2 years later, or never.

Then again, I have a huge stack of dead HGST, Hitachi, and WD drives behind me too. YMMV.

Juan Martinez
Juan Martinez

Something like the Crucial MX100 all the way to I think MX300 are only rated for 75TBW

Mason Bailey
Mason Bailey

Confidence=restored

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

what is microsoft office

Caleb Miller
Caleb Miller

how does it feel losing 50% in 6 months?

Carson Torres
Carson Torres

Samsungs, so the only worth SSDs, are constantly cheap AF, 250gb for $50, 500gb for $70, 1tb at $150, no excuse not to buy

Oliver Ward
Oliver Ward

HDDs fail suddenly, usually with a warning that they are going to fail sometime in the near future. But the data is basically pernamently locked in place on the platters until it is read, or you melt the drive down.
what are bad sectors

Cooper Lee
Cooper Lee

A 2.7gb program

Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Sanchez

Still not $100. Anything worth using is at least $150.

Nathaniel Miller
Nathaniel Miller

that stupid console front and center on every exercise bike
Why is it so hard to make an exercise bike with a flat surface there? Let me shitpost and play gaymes and I can ride that thing all day long. Make me stare at some cheapo clock and I'll just want to kill myself.

Nathaniel Bennett
Nathaniel Bennett

Need a 2tb m.2 drive for my laptop

James Taylor
James Taylor

I did in 2011. No regrets, never had an issue besides quickly filling them with gaymes. My mind was blown when I first booted Windows and loaded various programs way faster than I had ever imagined possible.

Josiah Powell
Josiah Powell

Why not just use a laptop connected to a TV to watch YouTube videos?

Alexander Morris
Alexander Morris

Who the hell do you buy from? One of those will be garbage that dies in a month and the other is a Jew's dream sale.

Gavin Clark
Gavin Clark

You did better than me. I had a pair of Seagate drives hit almost exactly 1 year. They've been Shitgate to me ever since.

Ayden Cruz
Ayden Cruz

magnetic archives
Holy kek!

Bentley Reyes
Bentley Reyes

look up Sata SSD's you stupid fucking nigger.

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