Telegram

Chase Parker
Chase Parker

Safe to use?

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github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop
github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/371
github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/commit/1669731329bcc32c84e33035a67a2fc22444c24b
signal.org/android/apk/
anonhq.com/edward-snowden-warns-whatever-dont-use-telegram-messenger-app/
github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/281#issuecomment-21762482
core.telegram.org/mtproto/description
core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end
f-droid.org/en/packages/org.telegram.messenger/
github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/blob/master/TMessagesProj/build.gradle#L17
twitter.com/snowden/status/947190333540061185?lang=en

Samuel Thomas
Samuel Thomas

nope
use signal

Thomas Flores
Thomas Flores

дa)))

Angel Richardson
Angel Richardson

Дa)))

Julian White
Julian White

Yes. I have been trying to find a flaw for years and still can't crack it.

Christian Morris
Christian Morris

hosted in the US
Yes. I have been trying to find a flaw for years
Well you must be a huge retard, it's not encrypted.
the only safe alternatives are Wire and Threema

Kevin Gomez
Kevin Gomez

No. Use matrix.

Gavin Anderson
Gavin Anderson

how can you shill that crap right after they got compromised

Angel Nguyen
Angel Nguyen

Telegram absolutely allows for encrypted messages.

Nolan Collins
Nolan Collins

ok shill

Xavier Gray
Xavier Gray

But Telegram does support fully encrypted end to end messages. Why are you trying to say otherwise?

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

Can I send messages/files to myself like you can in telegram?

I use it all the time for getting shit between my pc and my phone

Jace Baker
Jace Baker

proprietary
Safe to use?
t. retard

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

what happened?

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Andrew James
Andrew James

How is it propietary?

github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop

Kevin Adams
Kevin Adams

it's only partially open source
github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/371

Brandon Sanchez
Brandon Sanchez

it's only partially open source
ok, "retard"

Thomas Stewart
Thomas Stewart

Same fucking shit if not worse.

Ryan Nelson
Ryan Nelson

Дa)))

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

nah
use Gentoo its much more secure

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

No! Linux is magically secure!!!

Dylan Wright
Dylan Wright

Don't know about that

Isaac Butler
Isaac Butler

federated
compromised
Lol.
Protocol is not compromised.

Ian Flores
Ian Flores

/thread

Kayden Edwards
Kayden Edwards

not on f-droid
into the trash it goes

Jaxon Green
Jaxon Green

I only threat model for a paying client

Carson Myers
Carson Myers

I wish someone would create a better client for Telegram. I really like how it can be installed on a desktop, laptop, phone, tablet and everything at the same time. I can switch devices and continue my conversation. This is why I don't enjoy Whatsapp, it can only be bound to one mobile device and the desktop client always complains that it's open somewhere else.

But the client is bad and doesn't have customization. I don't want large cartoon bubbles around the text, I'd rather have it like in IRC (irssi/weechat) where the lines are compact. It's using so much space that it practically takes a day of scrolling to see what has been said in a day.

Dylan Morales
Dylan Morales

Telegram absolutely allows for encrypted messages.
they use non standard encryption they developed themselves with no cryptographer involved, go figure.

Ryan Anderson
Ryan Anderson

github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/371
Are the servers and encryption open source, retard?

Hunter Howard
Hunter Howard

Alright niggers explain yourselves

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Parker Thomas
Parker Thomas

No, it's a piece of shit. The encryption is nonstandard-garbage, encryption is turned off by default and also device-to-device only, group chats cannot be encrypted at all. You also have to trust shady Russians to keep all your private data save.
The only viable messengers are Matrix and XMPP. XMPP is the real og, while the matrix fags reinvented everything for no fucking reason and designed it so bad that you have to operate a datacenter for like 10 users, while ejabberd serves thousands from a raspberry pi without problems

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Bentley Moore
Bentley Moore

Absolutely halal, brother. What is it that you might be worried about? What kind of your correspondence are you afraid Mr. Durov might leak to the public or hand over to the government?

Jason Reed
Jason Reed

github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/commit/1669731329bcc32c84e33035a67a2fc22444c24b
signal.org/android/apk/

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Samuel Rodriguez
Samuel Rodriguez

Use Aurora Store already.

Robert Cook
Robert Cook

Telegram
Russian
homebrew encryption disabled by default
Closed source servers
Signal
Under USA juristiction
Wire
Colects some metadata in their open source server, located in Switzerland (strict Swiss policies make it least likely to ever be compromised)
Pick your poison
Or you can use matrix apps, which lack simple functionality of video calling, but they're decentralized or something

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Jose Ross
Jose Ross

Come back when it's fully FOSS

Jason Hall
Jason Hall

Fully encrypted with their own little encryption nobody knows how it works but them
Messeges hosted on their own closed source servers
Made by the russian facebook

I don't know how retarded you would need to be to not see the issues here

Nathan Gray
Nathan Gray

What are you gonna use in the mean time?

Thomas Allen
Thomas Allen

So they made a fallback in case GCM doesn't work, except they shouldn't have relied on GCM at all. Or at least they should've given it to someone not retarded to do it for them, like telegram did.
And what's the point of the link when it's the same apk from google play?

Grayson Butler
Grayson Butler

unironically comparing unencrypted-by-default-"""secure"""-telegram-scam to signal

Bentley Jenkins
Bentley Jenkins

It doesn't matter where the server are located; if your shit is encrypted, it's encrypted - and you can host the server as well right at the nsa headquarters.

Austin Scott
Austin Scott

telegram garbage isn't encrypted though, so it does matter very much where it's servers are located. You should use unencrypted shit anyways.

Nicholas Mitchell
Nicholas Mitchell

As long as they both require your phone number, they're both shit.

Daniel Robinson
Daniel Robinson

anonhq.com/edward-snowden-warns-whatever-dont-use-telegram-messenger-app/

Carter Kelly
Carter Kelly

So let me use Wire in peace, I'm European after all

Camden Cook
Camden Cook

github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/371
Jesus Fucking Christ what an absolute dumpsterfire. How can someone be that retarded with their opsec?

Samuel Morales
Samuel Morales

github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/281#issuecomment-21762482
Basically they don't publish on F-Droid because they like to collect telemetry with Google and "need something that will annoy the hell out of users until they upgrade".
And that is all you need to know about ((((secure)))) USA-incorporated messenger balls deep into google services for ((((reasons)))).

Grayson Anderson
Grayson Anderson

Go back to your shithole board.

David Torres
David Torres

Even if he denied the holocaust in his last sentence that doesn't change a thing about the fact that he is right. Is he right that it's the jews™? No. But he's right that the service is completely cucked by glow in the dark niggers.

Blake Jenkins
Blake Jenkins

Half of Jow Forums don't know anything about telegram and think it's plaintext. Every chat on telegram is encrypted with mtproto, so even regular/group chats are encrypted from client -> server, and then if you need more privacy, you use a private chat which is end to end, and the keys aren't stored on their servers. Yeah it's not as safe as signal, but it's the best chat client out besides signal, better than whatsapp.

core.telegram.org/mtproto/description
core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end

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Isaac Nelson
Isaac Nelson

Go back to Russian airport.

John Price
John Price

So regular chats are still fully encrypted, and just as secure as WhatsApp, since WhatsApp "end2end" stores the private keys on their servers, and telegram splits keys into two, being stored on separate servers in different countries. So even regular chats would require law enforcement to get a warrant for both servers in separate countries to get your regular chat history decrypted.

And secret chats are end to end encrypted with perfect forward secrecy. On top of secret chats, telergram supports mtproto proxy, so your telegram client can connect to a 3rd party self hosted socks proxy, bypassing your local internet. So you can use a vpn -> socks proxy -> telegram for even more security. Plain and simple that telegram is the overall best. If you needal anything more secure you should be using gpg encrypted communication over Tor. Otherwise this is secure enough. And what's funny is signal, wire, WhatsApp aren't being banned, while telegram is, and isis and other people are using telegram because it's the only one who isn't giving out backdoors or handing over access.

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Bentley Reyes
Bentley Reyes

Yes, sure.

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

Why does it require a phone number to use?

Gabriel Foster
Gabriel Foster

This

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Jaxon James
Jaxon James

just as secure as WhatsApp
except that its homebrewed crypto, unauthored and running on proprietary servers in russia. tippety top kek

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

Group audio fucking when?
Made by the russian facebook
Made by the guy who made russian facebook, after russian governement seized control of it and the guy escaped to europe.
Banned in russia, pretty much illegal to use (just having app installed can be used as """proof""" of involvement in terrorism and/or drug trading) but still most popular in russia even after (especially after) government started insanely expensive country-wide DNS hijacking and DPI that broke every major cloud hosting and many unrelated services but failed to actually block telegram.

Christopher Miller
Christopher Miller

that feel when you have no friends to message

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Jason Garcia
Jason Garcia

okay but why does it need a phone number

Kayden Brooks
Kayden Brooks

running on proprietary servers in russia
It's banned in Russia you dumb shit.
Now delete your post again.

Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

nice cope

Austin Jackson
Austin Jackson

Signal has been censored before many times, that's why they used domain fronting with Amazon servers.
cant block signal without blocking half of the internet

Liam Campbell
Liam Campbell

WHY

DOES

TELEGRAM

NEED

A

PHONE

NUMBER

TO

MAKE

AN

ACCOUNT

?

Chase Morgan
Chase Morgan

Contact discovery?

Jacob Ross
Jacob Ross

Telegram is safe and worth using. The user base pretty large.

Leo Bell
Leo Bell

ok shill you better explain this:
better than whatsapp
whatsapp: fully end-to-end encrypted on private and group chats, enabled by default, can't be turned off
telegram: optional end-to-end encryption for private chats, not supported on desktop, less features in secret chat

Adrian Cooper
Adrian Cooper

No, the protocol is Homebrew, it uses sha1 for encryption. I still prefer it over WhatsApp, Enjoy having your private keys stored literally in the cloud on Facebook servers where they can and will hand over your private keys to decrypt your shit first time they get asked.

Cameron Lopez
Cameron Lopez

actually, whatsapp does not upload your private key

Noah Cruz
Noah Cruz

Whatsapp owned by Facebook
Whatsapp end2end private keys are stored in cloud.
Whatsapp end2end can go from phone to web browser using qr code
I'm not the shill here, you are. I don't care what you use and I'm not telling anyone to use it. I prefer it for myself, you use whatever you prefer. But whatsapp isn't secure and stop pretending it is, especially acting as if it's more secure than telegram.

Xavier Martin
Xavier Martin

SMS?

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Zachary King
Zachary King

Whatsapp owned by Facebook
yes, it should have never been sold
Whatsapp end2end private keys are stored in cloud
wrong
Whatsapp end2end can go from phone to web browser using qr code
wrong

Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

sha1
which is invalidated for security purposes due to hash collisions.

Charles Cruz
Charles Cruz

Look at all these claims I pull out my arse without any sources
Both of you are fucking retarded

Parker Thompson
Parker Thompson

telegram's e2e mode sucks balls and nobody uses it. only available in mobile client, identity verification is per chat, no group chats, etc.

Austin Perry
Austin Perry

user just needs to do some research lole

Lincoln Flores
Lincoln Flores

telegram uses gcm as well, retard. it's the only real option for push notifications on android. websocket requires a persistent notification and drains battery.

Joseph Young
Joseph Young

WhatsApp "end2end" stores the private keys on their servers
no it doesn't

and telegram splits keys into two, being stored on separate servers in different countries. So even regular chats would require law enforcement to get a warrant for both servers in separate countries to get your regular chat history decrypted.
this is the stupidest shit i ever heard. people actually fall for these durov memes?

it's simple: when your phone connects to the nearest telegram server, your chats are in plaintext on that server at that point in time. ergo, only one subpoena for that server is required to access your entire chat history.

Andrew Edwards
Andrew Edwards

telegram uses gcm as well, retard
except when it doesn't, dumbass.
f-droid.org/en/packages/org.telegram.messenger/
why even open your mouth when you have no fucking clue whatsoever?

Caleb Williams
Caleb Williams

fuck off, retard. learn to read, it's a fork:

Several proprietary parts were removed from the original Telegram client,
including ... push notifications through Google Cloud Messaging.

let me spoonfeed you with the official sources since you're such a fucking waste of oxygen:

github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/blob/master/TMessagesProj/build.gradle#L17

Aiden Parker
Aiden Parker

it's a fork
So fucking what? No one forces you to use the original one, if you like being fucked by Google, that's your retarded choice, shove your official™ sources up your ass.

Adam Butler
Adam Butler

NOTHING IS SAFE
EVEN THE AIR IS BOTNET
YOU'RE ALSO THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON ALIVE SO EVERY GOVERMENT AND COMPANY AROUND THE WORLD IS WATCHING JUST YOU

Mason Cox
Mason Cox

Every government? No.
Every company? Yes, every one that can get their hands on your data cause data mining is literally the most profitable thing going on in the tech industry in the last decade+.
And should I call an ambulance for that stroke you are having?

Jeremiah Martin
Jeremiah Martin

Phone lines are botnet. Fire a rocket.

William Wilson
William Wilson

I used my modem number, also prepaids are great. Phone number is used only on first login.

Asher Taylor
Asher Taylor

what the fuck is your point? if some retard tells me that telegram doesn't use gcm when it does (just like every single android app), i will correct them. fuck off, retard.

if i fork telegram to remove messaging from it, can i say that telegram isn't a messenger? no. idiot.

Parker Reyes
Parker Reyes

imagine trusting a website like this for news LMAO

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

twitter.com/snowden/status/947190333540061185?lang=en

Connor Lewis
Connor Lewis

much better tyvm

Ayden Bailey
Ayden Bailey

Smartphones were a mistake.

Hunter Collins
Hunter Collins

telegram doesn't use gcm when it does (just like every single android app)
There is a fucking link that proves you wrong you shit for brains, I can't believe you're that stupid. You can install it on your phone with Google Play services and it still wouldn't use GCM for push notifications.
You're not retarded, you're literally brain dead, and I doubt you're legally allowed to touch an actual fork, let alone 'fork' something. Get the fuck out of this board before I notify your legal guardian.

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