Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >i7 8700/K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RTX 2060 - standard >RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 - standard >RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
>12c24t, 5.0GHz boost >Able to be cooled on the stock air cooler >Backwards compatibility on select X370 boards, vast majority of B450/X470 boards
I'm fucking ready. I still do wonder how the IF latency will play into gaming though.
David Jones
Only if all cores at 4.2+, friend
Gavin Clark
If it can hit 5GHz one core, we should be expecting something closer to 4.5GHz all core.
Ryder Cooper
Hi do you recomend any used cpu with Good performance to Price ratio and ddr4 memory?
Jordan Murphy
Until review samples are out specs are conjecture as far as I'm concerned. I want to see some stable OCs.
Carson Kelly
Would it be stupid to sell my used 1070 to help buy a used 1080ti? I only play at 60fps but I have a 4k monitor. This would mostly be to future proof if anything. My cpu is a standard 2600 if that matters.
Gabriel Murphy
2600x/8600k
Pick your poison.
Logan Baker
Yea. Never sell a card to buy another card in the exact same generation.
Nicholas Cook
2600X, at least I don't have any security flaws in that.
Eli Robinson
Why though? the 1080ti is much better than the 1070 and it would last me for years. I have no plans on going above 60hz anytime soon, and I don't play the latest AAA meme games like ass creed or womb raider.
James Ramirez
R5 1600 depending on pricing
>select X370 boards Given compatibility between AM3 and AM3+, pretty sure all X370 will get Ryzen 3000 compatibility. Most B350 as well, but that might be more iffy depending on manufacturer.
Also it seems that most 400 series boards will have PCIe 4.0 if a 3000 series CPU is used. Pretty sweet
Looks cool, would buy even though I don't need it, if I were a consumer whore
Up to you, only upgrade when you need the performance. If you're worried about money, wait for AMD's new graphics cards and a possible price drop on Nvidia's current offerings. Nvidia is planning a quiet refresh of their Turing line
>I still do wonder how the IF latency will play into gaming though. At least in Ashes of the Singularity, the 8700K is about 10% ahead of the R5 2600X when both are clocked to 4.0GHz. Other games might not play as nicely with Ryzen in general (e.g., PUBG) and of course there's the chiplet redesign of Ryzen which is an unknown in terms of gaming
Adrian Bailey
If that's the case, the 1070 should be more than enough for 60HZ 4k on non AAA games. Either that or turn down settings. Unless you're getting a good deal on the 1080Ti, it's a waste
Chase Ortiz
How does this look? Any small, silent case suggestion that still fits a CD drive? I will not be adding more storage.
I do play some modern games, but the only recent ones I've actually cared about have been res2 and sekiro. getting a stronger gpu would allow me to play slightly older games like souls 3 in 4k for example. I don't ever plan on buying a new gpu, so what should I be waiting for? Aren't the current cards overpriced ray tracing memes?
Ryan Gomez
>blower card Seriously?
Michael Davis
why are you getting this now just before zen2 comes along? also, have you considered a usb dvd (or bluray) drive?
Dominic James
gib Ryzen
Juan Butler
Is it that bad? It's like $300 cheaper than the cards with "normal" coolers >why are you getting this now just before zen2 comes along? How close is it? I don't need the computer immediately. >have you considered a usb dvd (or bluray) drive I just want to re-use my old one, I don't mind getting one of those sata to usb thing.
Tyler Johnson
Within the next month and a half.
Ayden Cook
>Ray tracing meme The thing is that ray tracing isn't a meme. It's just new. It'll only catch on more as time goes on. But all RT stuff aside, the 2080Ti for instance is still the absolute best card on the market in DX11/12 and is touted as being one of the only single card solutions available that can push 60fps @ 4k reliably. If you're getting a killer deal on the used 1080Ti, go for it. But it just doesn't seem worth it to me imo. Especially buying used when you hope for the card to last a long while.
Easton Murphy
Is there any point to getting a HDD these days? Or should I go full SSD for longevity?
What I'm going to write a lot is large/hd videos and audio for editing, and storage will be tons and tons of media like video and audio, and a few video games. The video and audio may get lots of regular reads. My 3TB HDD just died outta nowhere on me and I know my external is on it's way. I have 4 open slots (well... 6, but I'm already broke af but also able to save quickly so, again, longevity is most important).
Isn't Intel outperforming because architecture/instructions, not muhHertz or muhCorez? Apologies if I am mistaken.
David Lewis
SSD is okay, but I'd still stick around with an HDD until we can see a Terabyte SSD for the prices we see a Terabyte HDD today.
Jeremiah Clark
The only pitfall of pure SSD storage for media is price. They get cheaper and cheaper as time goes on though. >Intel outperforming because arch Lol no. Why do you think it takes a 5.0GHz clocked Intel chip to barely stay ahead of a 4.2GHz clocked Ryzen? Ryzen has lower clock ceiling (for now), but clock doesn't equal IPC. The fact that Ryzen is as competitive as it is at lower clocks shows a superior architecture via better IPC
Michael Clark
Yeah I see what you mean. I'm quite satisfied with my 1070 as it plays my favourite games like I said. I'll probably leave it unless I come across a really good deal then.
Jonathan Butler
Ssds are cheap as hell. Especially if u are murican a 2tb 660p 185 on sale the fuck I will never buy a hdd agai Protip go full ssd unless u literally need 10tbs+ storage
Aiden Adams
I was just starting to catch up on current tech and prices and yeah, TB/$$ is still weak. Thanks for confirming. Do you guys happen to have any HDD rec's? Looking for at least 4TB right now and then at least 3 more drives over the remainder of the year.
Doesn't it depend on the test? I mean, could you have a test biased the other way round? Do you think that maybe that's sorta what's going on with those particular emulators?
We're talking good SSDs. Not crummy ones you can pick on the side of the road.
Henry Rodriguez
>HDD recs Toshiba X300 4TB is reliable and usually priced in the $100 range. One of the few not stupidly priced 4TB drives with 128MB cache vs the 64MB of other brands. >Depend on the test Sure. There are tests out there that have been compiled with an Intel biased compiler. But overall across the vast majority of tests, AMD and Intel are neck and neck when clocked to their respective Max stable OC's. A 5.0GHz clocked i9-9900k only barely pulls ahead in some games/benches compared to a 4.2GHz R7-2700X. And that could be attributed to Intel's monolithic design rather than AMD's chiplets and infinity fabric. But on the flip side, Intel's implementation of SMT (Hyperthreading) can't even begin to touch AMD's version of SMT.
So it's all give and take. As far as I'm concerned, AMD only has room to grow with Ryzen as evidenced by their continual growth of clock speed, IF optimizations, IPC increases, core/thread increases, etc. Their architecture is still new. Where as Intel has been riding on the coattails of their Pentium 3 based architecture for so long, it's completely tapped, save for just ramping up the clock and voltage to make up for architectural deficiencies. All this with the various Intel vulnerabilities notwithstanding.
Chase Bell
>the lord's year 2001 + 18 >CD drive also, looking for silence with a blower card? good luck, that jet engine will ruin your day no matter what case
Asher Allen
>not buying CDs and extracting audio files yourself Can't trust "lossless" torrents these days. I didn't know blower cards were loud, I guess I'll try to get a regular one.
Jayden Cooper
>buying zen+ 4 days from zen 2 announcement retard
>>Muh old shit >Yeah but I'm talking about CEMU and RPCS3 where only Intel reaches 60 FPS. This is true but last time I checked(this was more than a year maybe two years ago) they were getting somewhere with ryzen. It was playable at that time. I think with tweaks and the move to multi-thread. Which is being used in rpcs3. You might end up with ryzen outperforming intel. But that's yet to be seen. It's playable on ryzen though by all means
Justin Rogers
b& underage
Eli Butler
The 9900K apparently only supports 16 pcie lanes, would i used a lot of performance by using a 4 lane capture card alongside a GPU or how does this work? Would it even be compatible?
Charles Allen
>AMD’s Ryzen platform supports up to 28 PCIe lanes, but the CPU controls most of those lanes. Ryzen CPUs feature 20 PCIe 3.0 lanes, with 16 lanes dedicated to two 16x/8x PCIe slots for graphics cards, and four lanes to split between SATA and NVMe data transfer interfaces. >The X470 chipset adds another eight general-purpose PCIe 2.0 lanes, which board manufactures can dedicate to additional M.2 slots, 5/10GbE network interfaces, or other PCIe-based devices. >Intel’s 9th Generation Core processors and the new Z390 chipset feature more PCIe lanes than AMD’s Ryzen platform, but Intel’s chipset handles the bulk of the PCIe communication. Intel’s 9th generation Core CPUs feature 16 PCIe lanes, which are dedicated to the x16/x8 slots for GPUs or PCIe-slot SSDs. All other PCIe devices share the Z390 chipset’s 24 lanes. >Intel’s chipset features PCIe revision 3.0 lanes, whereas AMD’s chipset lanes are revision 2.0.
To add to unless you have a high-end GPU, the difference between x8 and x16 is marginal.
Oliver Davis
So to dumb it down for a retard like me, the CPU handles my GPU and the rest is handled by the Z390 motherboard itself?
Logan Walker
>the CPU handles my GPU and the rest is handled by the Z390 motherboard itself? yup. The PCIe Lanes from the CPU handle specifically NVME based SSD's and the graphics cards. The remaining 24 lanes of the chipset support any other NVME drives, SATA drives, USB interfaces, and in this case, your capture card.
Anthony Myers
Ahh great, thank you very much user, that's a huge relief.
>5V I think you fucked up unless you have a specific use for 5V fans
Julian Green
did i? well fuck me then i didnt know there was a difference since they were the same price
Liam Garcia
I just installed two 120 5V fans for my gpu. A little more granularity in the fan curve now.
Charles Lee
What are some good websites to buy pc parts in France?
John Rogers
DO NOT PLUG THEM INTO A MOTHERBOARD FAN HEADER! That's a 12 V rail!
Henry King
The 5V fans are meant for a 5 volt source instead of the 12 volt you get on a motherboard header
Camden Rogers
>he's never railed 12v straight to the head before. gettaloadathisguy.cam
Leo Flores
Poorfag here i have opportunity to get a i5 3570k for 50$ using i5 2500 non k now. Is it worth a go? My mobo supports Ivy bridge and it should be alright for overclocking
Adrian Carter
how about you get a god damn job, john?
Bentley Roberts
so which ones do i buy then?
Caleb White
It's a pretty decent upgrade, for that low price you might as well.
Robert Flores
Out of the loop on hardwarefag here, why does MSI seem to have a bad reputation with many anons? I have only ever owned one of their GPUs (an r9 390) but it seemed fine when I was using it, even had a hefty backplate. Are their other products crap?
MSI usually has meh video cards unless you're buying the big dick Lightning models. Mediocre VRM's, meh cooling. Marginally better than Gigabyte. As far as motherboards, they've come a long way but I'd still prefer Asus or ASrock.
ugh, my mouth just got flooded from the back fuck it was so warm and salty.
Charles Wright
Got some fancy cables coming in, going to go back and fix my cable management/pretty up my case. I have one of these Phanteks vertical gpu brackets here too, (and a different brand, but nicer looking gpu riser cable). Should I install this bracket for cool factor? I have a Corsair meme-crystal 680x case, and even though I put two 120mm fans in the bottom it still has a lot of empty space under the gpu, which I'm sure is good for temps but could look snazzier. Also anything to remember when ripping the cables out of an already built PC? besides turn it off duh
Well I do that too, but they're in the water. Kinda like boba tea.
Christopher Ross
ignore the cable, replaced with one that's SATA III and not dumb-ass long lmfao.
Leo Taylor
my budget is $650 usd. looking for a build for muh gaming and digital art/2d animation. Might get into 3d animation and the like next year. I'll probably be buying around July/August
Caleb Myers
ok
Luis Barnes
quick question, if I buy a TN monitor for gaming can I still lean back in my chair when I watch anime
Dominic Cook
cool thanks
Connor Morgan
that's good news
Jaxon White
>8700K Fucking retard. Imagine recommending that old shit because AMD can't compete with 9th gen.
Joshua Hughes
>Fucking retard. Imagine recommending that old shit because you don't want to have a secure computer FTFY
Joseph Scott
Samsung Evo Plus or Pro ?
Jayden Martin
the one that's TLC and not QLC
Camden Rivera
Only a 6% performance impact for gaming with all patches installed, so?
Nathaniel Myers
MX500
Caleb Torres
lol imagine being okay with losing 6% of what you bought
Julian Myers
Ryzen 5 2600 or Ryzen 7 2700? for mostly gaming and some editing on the side.
Justin Gutierrez
WAIT ONE WEEK
Thomas Nelson
SELL HIM ON WHY
Jonathan Wilson
NOT MY JOB
Jaxon Miller
>quick question, if I buy a TN monitor for gaming can I still lean back in my chair when I watch anime Of course. As long as your not looking from an angle.
Evan Harris
ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q or Acer Predator XB271HU? for 1440p/144hz