Ryzen rumors

David Carter
David Carter

rumors from igors lab about ryzen

“ASUS released a list of 300 and 400 series mainboards which they will officially release a Ryzen 3000 BIOS for.

For that list they've gotten a "Warning Letter" from AMD. A "Warning Letter" is a "polite" warning to not do certain things or to do it hidden in the background to take it out of the focus/spotlight. I don't know exactly what was in the letter but I know for certain that they've received one.

AMD also plans on creating a new CPU batch to "counter" those kind of things. The new batch will no longer be compatible with 300/400 series boards due to an updated microcode, forcing consumers to buy the more expensive 500 series boards.

If you talk to the board partners they are half torn about this. On one hand they of course want the consumers to buy the more expensive boards, as they gain more profit from that, but on the other hand they also want to get rid of their previous 300/400 board stocks.
[…]
Board partners like MSI have their BIOS files ready as well, however they did not release it PUBLICALLY

It's about both. AMD definitively doesn't want PCI Gen 4 on the old boards, just as little as they want the fat Ryzen CPU's on there. I still remember the Phenom II and the 95 Watts limit on many older boards, this is not a new thing they do, it happened before and it's happening again.”

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youtu.be/1MjcHPYWzLU
tomshardware.com/news/asus-b450-x470-motherboards-pcie-4.0-support,39859.html
jowforums.com/thread/71826222/technology
semiaccurate.com/2018/08/07/intel-has-no-chance-in-servers-and-they-know-it/
anandtech.com/show/14639/no-amd-still-isnt-enabling-pcie-4-on-300400-series-boards
amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100#faq-Short-Term-Processor-Loan-Boot-Kit

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

why do you give a shit about Ryzen, are you poor or something?

Cameron Edwards
Cameron Edwards

Who cares?
Intcel is still king for gayming and lowered prices (and will probably do it again) to counter Zen 2.
Meanwhile Zen 2 was mild disappointment that still can't beat Intcel old gen chips at gaming, failed to deliver 5Ghz, still needs good RAM, and reintroduced chipset fans on fucking expensive boards with useless PCIe4

John Long
John Long

The new batch will no longer be compatible with 300/400 series boards due to an updated microcode

OH NONONONONONONONO

Asher Perez
Asher Perez

Wtf. I love intel now.

Bentley Edwards
Bentley Edwards

i don't want to buy the shitty x570 board, that's what i am so concerned about.

Daniel Robinson
Daniel Robinson

Then prepare your anus. AMD is a premium brand now

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

If this is true amd is no better than incel

Lincoln Morgan
Lincoln Morgan

4 IPs

Jaxon Adams
Jaxon Adams

Shut up

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Elijah Green
Elijah Green

post link or gtfo faggot

Hunter Cooper
Hunter Cooper

upgrade every year
undervolt
flash GPU bios
overclock
get fast (read magical) RAM
expensive cooler
extensive tweaking of their system
play mental gymnastics that they dont need features in games/boycott games that implement them
cherrypick benchmarks all day to find the few rare occasions when AMD is only slightly behind to argue cost/performance

Just to prove to strangers on the internet their hardwares aren't inferior to intel and nvidia

Cameron Parker
Cameron Parker

Couldn't care less desu, I already have the best gaming CPU (9900k)

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Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

Link you fucking shill?

Owen Green
Owen Green

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Luke Smith
Luke Smith

youtu.be/1MjcHPYWzLU

the source is igors lab

Logan Cooper
Logan Cooper

igors lab
never heard of em

Easton Smith
Easton Smith

fake news. amd gains nothing from making retards buy a x570 motherboard for cpus that dont need it. buying a 450/470/350 motherboard is a mixed bag with how it affects your cpu depending on the ryzen 3000 model you get though so it doesnt make sense for all these companies to try and list all the different issues. it should be for old users only basically.
less cores
more cost
1080p
best

Michael Nguyen
Michael Nguyen

Dude seems about as legit as adored.

Benjamin Kelly
Benjamin Kelly

more cost
9900k costs $450 and 3900x costs $499.
Why are AMDrones so retarded?

Jordan Sullivan
Jordan Sullivan

Boomer looking for views

Nathaniel Ramirez
Nathaniel Ramirez

his gay pink magenta benchmarks are all over Jow Forums you nigger

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

Igor is a fucking retard. It's only about pcie 4 on old boards, because they cant guarantee that its going to work without problems. He's doing this only for views.

Luke Sanders
Luke Sanders

This is FUD
Old boards cannot have 4.0 enabled since it needs a new chipset and tracing, it is impossible to make them work at 4.0 speeds. BIOS for MSI are fucked because they cheaped out on the size of the flash memory and it doesn't fit the entire new BIOS so they are making a Lite BIOS for it. Most boards alreadly have AGESA 1001 which is alreadly compatible with all Zen2 but the 1003 is coming out to fix the majority of problems people are having at the moment.

Julian Jenkins
Julian Jenkins

Shitty larping. Amd gives no fuck about the boards, that's the board manufacturers who hate this and want to stop it working.

Thomas Evans
Thomas Evans

Do you have one for example? Magenta is a very striking color.

Eli Green
Eli Green

VRRrrrrrRRRRRrrrrrRRrrrrr

Jace Allen
Jace Allen

Board partners like MSI have their BIOS files ready as well, however they did not release it PUBLICALLY
Who the fuck are you trying to fool here, even MSI made the bios available at July 1st. A week before launch. What the fuck are jannies doing, the entire board is flooded by shill threads and samefagging.

Wyatt Wilson
Wyatt Wilson

There are a few beta bios out there where pcie4 does work on older chipsets. AMD just doesn't want it out in the wild so it remains a selling point for x570.
Sort of similar to the bclock overclocking that asrock enabled when intel told them not to.

Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore

some nobody talking
only one link to some chink site
no mention of claim
Fuck off with your concern trolling.

Liam Hall
Liam Hall

old screenshot
okay buddy

Juan Evans
Juan Evans

insider igor wallosek from toms hardware
nobody

Hunter Baker
Hunter Baker

toms hardware
Yes, nobody.

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Tyler Cox
Tyler Cox

never heard about the internal struggle at toms hardware? igor was the only based guy. TH is shit.

Robert Ramirez
Robert Ramirez

What he didn't say: It was aimed at the PCIe 4.0 compatibility with older mainboards that AMD tested but later rejected and asus openly posted on their website.

tomshardware.com/news/asus-b450-x470-motherboards-pcie-4.0-support,39859.html
The flagship ROG Crosshair VII Hero, which boasts a $274 price tag, can't run the first PCIe x16 slot at PCIe 4.0 speeds, while the TUF B450M-Plus Gaming, which goes for $90, supports PCIe 4.0 speeds on both the PCIe x16 and the M.2 slots.
that's what they want to prevent, misleading informations that may tarnish the Ryzen 3000 processors while it's just tiny differences in the mainboard layout or the use of chips that splits the 16 GPU lanes into twice 8 lanes that prevent PCIe 4.0 to work in older boards.

just as little as they want the fat Ryzen CPU's on there.
Yeah, these may pose also some problems on older boards.

Nolan Sanders
Nolan Sanders

how 'bout jowforums.com/thread/71826222/technology

Bentley Sullivan
Bentley Sullivan

Toms
JUST BUY IT GOY!
Discarded

Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

that's the us part of tomshardware you are talking about kiddo. Igor is from de.

Austin Rivera
Austin Rivera

This wouldn't surprise me and I wouldn't have a problem with AMD doing it desu. Bulldozer compatibility with AM2/AM3 boards was a disaster to the point where your mobo could be killed out of the box.

The blame lies with AMD's marketing 'team' for trying to claim this shoddy compatibility is a good thing, and for the fake boost clocks. By far the weakest facet of AMD as a company.

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

nice guy ASUS
would be funny if more manufacturers didn't care

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Levi Walker
Levi Walker

This is honestly the first time I've seen anyone post or link anything from them.

Isaiah Kelly
Isaiah Kelly

even gaymus nexus and linux gay tips mentioned him

Hudson Gomez
Hudson Gomez

plz sir this is an AMD fan board.

I implore you to do the needful and delet this.

Jason Ramirez
Jason Ramirez

But that shows the 9700K is the best gaming CPU.

Adrian Jones
Adrian Jones

Then buy Z390

Angel Nelson
Angel Nelson

The new batch will no longer be compatible with 300/400 series boards due to an updated microcode,

I smell bullshit. I bet its an architectural security issue that they are trying to keep under wraps.

*inhales deeply*
The shit found on AMDs zen series will make Spectre, Meltdown, and ZombieLoad look like baby shit. The Red team is red through and through after Su took the lead.

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Nicholas Harris
Nicholas Harris

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Anthony Baker
Anthony Baker

Lisa Su? more like Lisa Jew amirite

Carter Sanchez
Carter Sanchez

my prime x470 pro will get pcie 4th gen despite me never even wanting it. Haha fuck you Lisa and your overpriced x570 shit that needs a fan for the south bridge.

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Justin Parker
Justin Parker

time will show

Joshua Murphy
Joshua Murphy

jesus. I think this release of cpu's has more shills out in full force than any other thing I've seen on Jow Forums. the only other thing on other boards I see come close to this is /v/ with tons of shills for trash games, who are also very persistent. this place really is a dumpster fire

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

Yeah but at least its a big dumpster fire.

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

Wasn't Ryzen 3000 explicitly advertised to be compatible with 470/450 chipsets, though?

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Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

I don't care about poozen, as I have a job

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Aiden Howard
Aiden Howard

only processor, not Pcie 4.0

Benjamin Hall
Benjamin Hall

Igor's lab
Literally who

Josiah Murphy
Josiah Murphy

sure but i don‘t know how much one can trust in advertised things. i really hope it‘s just the pcie 4.0 potential on <500 mobos that will be crippled.

Brody Reyes
Brody Reyes

this is no question that pcie 4.0 will only be on x570 or higher chipsets. AMD themselves said this. So what is the big problem this has been public knowledge for months.

Landon Ross
Landon Ross

semiaccurate.com/2018/08/07/intel-has-no-chance-in-servers-and-they-know-it/
Looking Forward:

Luckily for Intel, they have a plan. That plan doesn’t involve silicon, it involves gathering the press and analysts and lovingly providing FUD before the proverbial excrement hits the rotational parts of the air movement device over the next few quarters. On the silicon side there is absolutely nothing Intel can do to combat AMD, their offerings are not even adequate much less competitive, and priced much higher. Intel knows this.

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

The problem is that Intel needs to frame this as a bad thing so they can instill FUD in the goy leaning toward AMD.

Benjamin Brown
Benjamin Brown

<anti-semitic expression here> are just trying get anything out to cope while waiting for their next rehash.

Oliver Thomas
Oliver Thomas

I bet that if AMD didn't say anything on PCIe 4 on old board. If shit happens people will blame Ryzen instead of the board.
Intel is good at it and don't have this problem because they force people to buy new board every gen

Elijah Johnson
Elijah Johnson

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Isaac Williams
Isaac Williams

anandtech.com/show/14639/no-amd-still-isnt-enabling-pcie-4-on-300400-series-boards

Xavier Hughes
Xavier Hughes

Old boards cannot have 4.0 enabled since it needs a new chipset and tracing,
There are a few beta bios out there where pcie4 does work on older chipsets.
retards, the chipset is in the amd cpu, it's up to amd to support pcie 4.0. because of this the only way only way you're having pcie 4.0 support on 400 and 300 series mobos is by using older BIOSes that may not fully support ryzen 3000.

Brayden Ward
Brayden Ward

that's 10gb/s short from the actual spec.

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

bros what is going on........

James Turner
James Turner

Still faster than pcie 3 spec

Joseph Martinez
Joseph Martinez

yeah, but it makes sense for amd to disable pcie 4.0 support on old mobos when this is the kind of ''''support'''' OEMs guarantee.

Colton Cooper
Colton Cooper

tfw upgrading from a 1600x

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Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

AMD is gonna commit PR suicide when they're at the highest point they've been in years but are still extremely vulnerable to Intel

Yeah no

John Young
John Young

had the chance to buy a TUF B450M for 60% off earlier this month
decided it wouldn't be worth the hassle to flash
look at this chart now
jdimsa

Noah Jackson
Noah Jackson

*NEW* Backwards compatibility doesn’t matter!

Michael Wood
Michael Wood

God I love my 8400

Isaac Davis
Isaac Davis

Board partners like MSI have their BIOS files ready as well, however they did not release it PUBLICALLY
I can download zen2 bios for my b350 tomahawk form the support page on a b350 page, the fuck are you talking about? It's such a low-effort FUD that's not even funny.

Carson Carter
Carson Carter

exactly this
to avoid "why my PCIe 4 not as fast as standard?" shit

Wyatt Hughes
Wyatt Hughes

1080p

lmao

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Leo Brooks
Leo Brooks

NOOOOOO THEY CANT MAKE BETTER PROCESSORS

THEY ALL HAVE TO BE SHIT ENOUGH TO RUN ON X370 NOOOOOOOO

Jason Bailey
Jason Bailey

If you don't know anything about computers, I suggest you keep you mouth shut.
What a fucking load of shit you just posted.

Asher Robinson
Asher Robinson

those bars
the length shills go to just project a tiny amount of perfomance to look like its a huge thing

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

This is about PCIe4 support, brainlets. Your 3000 series processor will still work on older boards, just without PCIe3.

Hunter Carter
Hunter Carter

500 points have been added to your AMD Rewards account! Thank you for participating in this programme!

Ethan Barnes
Ethan Barnes

Oh no! False rumors against backward compatibility when in reality its only about PCIEv4 support that AMD doesn't want enabled on old boards.

Owen Bell
Owen Bell

this
They wouldn't have released the chips for the same socket and they wouldn't have made pcie 4 available for the old boards if they didn't want to do that.
People would have bought a new mobo for zen 2 and not said much

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

AMD never promised PCIe4 on older boards
Manufacturers find a way to hack it in, potentially doing damage
AMD objects
Wow it's almost as if AMD is the bad guy here.

Charles Kelly
Charles Kelly

The only damage they do is to their pockets of x570 chipsets which are a piece of trash

Grayson Robinson
Grayson Robinson

Thanks OP. I had my doubts on buying amd and I was right. recalling of the bios files that supported pcie 4.0 was shady enough already for anyone who knows more than /v/.

Typical paid shill cope response to unflattering facts
who cares

Zachary Morgan
Zachary Morgan

This, my low TDP 8700 is gorgeous. Just runs anything with ease and will do so for a very long time.

Jaxon Robinson
Jaxon Robinson

every weekend quality of Jow Forums drops to youtube comments level
why the fuck would AMD care what boards sell more? it's Asus who cares
AMD sells CPUs directly they want to sell more CPUs not more boards.

Nicholas Campbell
Nicholas Campbell

They just do not want to deal with RMAs when it burns the CPUs or chipset for "no reason".

Christopher Sullivan
Christopher Sullivan

CPU won't run on cheap boards
implying this won't directly affect sales

Jeremiah Garcia
Jeremiah Garcia

SEETHING

Ethan Mitchell
Ethan Mitchell

i'll buy a b550 board if it was available.
but fuck me 570. i don't need it.

Sebastian Long
Sebastian Long

duh, that's why AMD want all AM4 boards to run zen2
and they do without noticeable performance differences. even gigabyte made zen2 bios, I expected to get fucked with my gaming 5

Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

buy B450, there is no difference
motherboards with zen have only one function performance wise- better VRM it boosts higher, that's it

Mason Smith
Mason Smith

Old boards cannot have 4.0 enabled since it needs a new chipset and tracing, it is impossible to make them work at 4.0 speeds.

You are rarted.

PCIe lanes coming from the chipset cannot be changed, so X370/X470 still has 2.0 coming from the chipset. However lanes from CPU is 4.0 for Zen2, and doesn't magically change when placed on older boards. The only thing that matters (if it even does, for X79 and 6 series chipsets from INTEL experienced the same thing from 2.0 to 3.0 and Intel did not lock anyone out even though they are the likely ones doing these types of stuff) is the PCB traces from the motherboard.

AMD is being anti-consumer here, full-stop. Then again, what do you expect from a corporation.

that's what they want to prevent, misleading informations that may tarnish the Ryzen 3000 processors...

Enthusiasts will roast the board vendors such as Asus and MSI in this scenario if they fuck the lanes up. Now that AMD said no, enthusiasts (that are not AMD fanboys) will roast AMD directly. Unfortunately, most tech enthusiasts nowadays are AMD fanboys, or Intel fanboys who does not even know nor care about this anti-consumer behavior.

What misleading information anyway? It's really simple to grasp: traces good enough--4.0; traces not good enough--3.0. If you bifurcate--lowest denomination.

Asus is literally the biggest buyer of AMD chipsets anyway (at least until the big 3 (HP/DELL/Lenovo) decides to mass adopt the AMD desktop platform), not sure what AMD can do anyway. Stop selling chipsets to Asus? There are tons of Asus fanboys who would not change brands and would literally switch (back) to Intel in this scenario.

Interesting perspective. Not so confident about the likelihood of that however.

The problem is that they claimed otherwise previously, and OEMs have shown to rebut that idea.

when in reality its only about...
That's the problem rart.

Adrian Foster
Adrian Foster

Fuck this damned board for conning me into buying ryzen. Over $1500 spent and my machine is still unusable because of these shitty MOBOs. What a headache and waste of time for the past 5 days.

Cooper Flores
Cooper Flores

I don't know about you guys, but I can't even find consumer grade M.2 SSDs whose maximum write/read speeds exceed PCIe 3 x4, i.e. 4 GB/s. So what exactly is the point of PCIe 4 right now, let alone inofficially shoehorning it into old boards with potential issues?

Tyler Powell
Tyler Powell

Futureproofing. Now Ivy Bridge CPUs(especially HEDT/Server SKUs) can enjoy full speed NVMe if you mod your BIOS+ PCIe to M.2 card ($5 from Aliexpress). If you are on Sandy Bridge the speeds would be limited.

Henry Scott
Henry Scott

Why not just buy a PCIe card at that point?

Brayden Brooks
Brayden Brooks

Enjoy your new learning experience where you finally realise there can be problems with buying new tech on day 1 release, Don't worry tho everyone has to go through this sometime it's all about learning!

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Luis Garcia
Luis Garcia

It's infantile tech, half baked shit. Why is that? Because the boards need fans in them and cost a ton.

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

you can only use a PC for gaming
/v/irgins out

Thomas Martinez
Thomas Martinez

The shit found on AMDs zen series will make Spectre, Meltdown, and ZombieLoad look like baby shit.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Hope I'll remember your post in a few years to laugh at you.

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Adrian Myers
Adrian Myers

You're wrong because based Mama Su gave us performace only found on $ 1300+ CPUs before for $ 500.

Kayden Cooper
Kayden Cooper

I don't give a fuck about PCIe 4 anyways so I'm okay with this. I remember when PCIe 3 came out and nothing could saturate the bandwith.

Gabriel Jenkins
Gabriel Jenkins

Just to prove to strangers on the internet their hardwares aren't inferior to intel and nvidia
You forgot to mention possibility that they may be in fact paid marketing shills, that would explain where all the money meant for amd's GPU R&D is going instead

Christian Jenkins
Christian Jenkins

Igor is a cocksucking nvidia/intel subhuman (see his daily shilling on 3dcenter)

Sebastian Lewis
Sebastian Lewis

why force people to spend more money? its literally the jew Incel way

Sebastian Sullivan
Sebastian Sullivan

all people do on pcs is game
oh yeah, noone does video editing and rendering, noone streams, noone works with AI and absolutely NOBODY runs servers. nah, who does that in 2019? every cpu has its own niche, shill

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

Because it is cheaper. The adapter is $5, and NVMe SSDs are widely available unlike PCIe SSDs. Not every one is in 'murica.

Joseph Jackson
Joseph Jackson

Whatever helps you sleep at night
I'm not a fan of intel either. Basically the choice is between two flavors of shit owned by corrupt interests.

Cameron Baker
Cameron Baker

Take your meds.

Josiah Butler
Josiah Butler

Stay asleep.

Jace Cox
Jace Cox

overclock
exensive cooler
extensive tweaking of their system

doesnt this apply more to the 9900k

Nicholas Allen
Nicholas Allen

NOOOOO WHY RELEASE BETTER PRODUCTS THAT COST MORE MONEY JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BUY IT!!!!!

ITS EBULLLLLLLLL

Ryan Richardson
Ryan Richardson

PCIe 4.0 is literately PCIe 3.0 with double the clockspeed. It needs more tracings, PCB layers for reliable operation. That's why AMD has officially locked it to 5xx platforms. There's no guarantee that older 3xx/4xx boards can operate their PCIe lanes at 4.0 speeds without stability issues.

This is different from the Intel 6x series to 7x series boards + Ivy Bridge situation back in the day. PCIe 2.0 and PCie 3.0/4.0 use completely different encoding which is why older Intel 6x boards were unable to operate at PCI 3.0 speeds with an Ivy Bridge chip.

David Morgan
David Morgan

8 cores vs 12 cores

Jose Wright
Jose Wright

AMD officially supplies you with an Athlon to flash your BIOS for Zen2:

amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100#faq-Short-Term-Processor-Loan-Boot-Kit

So these "rumors" seem to be FUD

Parker Peterson
Parker Peterson

Nice sources OP. Really convinced me.

Adrian Young
Adrian Young

The new batch will no longer be compatible with 300/400 series boards due to an updated microcode, forcing consumers to buy the more expensive 500 series boards.

So you think AMD's genius plan is to produce a fuckton of CPUs at launch along with very expensive x570 motherboards while allowing users to use b450/x470 boards to avoid the uplift in cost from PCIE4.0, and then a couple of months down the line release a cheaper batch of b550 boards and suddenly decide "no, you must buy new motherboards now"?

John Gonzalez
John Gonzalez

Mama Su is from true Chinkland aka ROC and would probably nuke the stinky peasant commie mainland if given the chance.

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