> Britain's Porton Down defense laboratory announced on Tuesday it was unable to verify the precise source of the nerve agent used against Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter.
> British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson told DW in March that Porton Down had "categorical" evidence that Russia was the source of the agent.
What the fuck, what happend to "highly likely", "beyond reasonable" and argument like that?
Pathetic
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Britain's Porton Down defense laboratory announced on Tuesday it was unable to verify the precise source of the nerve agent used against Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter.
British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson told DW in March that Porton Down had "categorical" evidence that Russia was the source of the agent.
Fucking LIARS
>t. a washed up has been that still thinks it's a superpower
they probably decided it is not a good idea to go to war over a dead spy.
he didn't even die
despite my hatred towards our government I still believe that it wasn't Putin order to kill him
Sucks we had to give up a trade deal with russia over this farce
Fuck the UK
who else then? if they did it themselves they would go all the way to attack russia or something like sending soldiers to ukraine. they look like clowns now.
I think it was the Chinese
Dirty gooks took over our government they probably got yours too.
Gary Aitkenhead, the chief executive of the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at the facility, told Sky News:
"We were able to identify it as Novichok, to identify that it was military-grade nerve agent."
!!!
"We have not identified the precise source, but we have provided the scientific info to government who have then used a number of other sources to piece together the conclusions you have come to."
!!!
The substance required "extremely sophisticated methods to create, something only in the capabilities of a state actor."
Dumb roach, why would we go to war in the first place? Two nuclear powers declaring war on each other qould effectively be the end of the world as we know it.
pretty sure if it was planned by our government he would die quick and only connection to Russia would be motive to kill him and not a fucking polonium which is manufactured here. who the fuck uses radiation to kill people? I'd say it's some mafia which wants to destabilize relations between Russia and UK for whatever reason
The EU with unrestricted access to Russia would be more powerful than the US and China. Look to who wishes to prevent that and you will find your answer Boris.
why did you make a fuss about it then? you can't do shit even russians kill your precious queen.
This whole story is really strange. Why would the russian secret service use a nerve agent? There are certainly easier methods to kill a spy that don't create such a political uproar.
Russian soviets lie everytime they open their mouth so i see no reason for which others couldnt lie about Russian soviets. Fight fire with fire.
> war on each other qould effectively
> qould
Muhammed?
Provoking a political uproar is what Putin wanted.
It was just before his election. Now more than ever he can make it looks like it's Russia vs the rest of the world. As long as he can push this narrative he will be popular.
Typo you mong.
Too dumb to use a spell checker?
Porton Down never claimed it was from Russia, their job was to identify the substance. The attribution of the attack to Russia was based on an accessment from the British intelligence community.
Because the U. K. did not give evidence, I did not believe it.
Japan was right without keeping company at sanctions immediately.
But Russia isn't unguilty. (´・ω・｀)
>Provoking a political uproar is what Putin wanted.
Looking at the involved parties I reckon it was either the UK (most likely) or the Ukraine (less likely) behind the provocation.
The timing was extremely bad for Putin, escalating isolation and getting new sanctions is pure nonsense. No one would opt for that.
On the other hand the UK needs something to aid with the brexit, the UK managed to use russia as a boogeyman to get major preferences and bonuses.
>Too dumb to use a spell checker?
The UK has no obligation to give classified information to NEETs on Jow Forums, and doesn't care if you believe it. However, they've released an unusually detailed accessment to their allies, which had been enough to convince them.
>Porton Down never claimed it was from
Yeah, right, it's just some politicians who constantly lie, make up evidence, and fool everyone, I doubt that changes anything here
> British foreign secretary Boris Johnson said on 16 March that it was "overwhelmingly likely" that the poisoning had been ordered directly by Russian president Putin, which marked the first time the British government accused Vladimir Putin of personally ordering the poisoning.[70]
> In an interview on the 20th March 2018 British foreign secretary Boris Johnson lied in an interview saying that scientists from the Porton Down laboratory were “categorical” about the Russian origin of the substance used and stated he "personally asked the guy, are you sure?". On April 3, 2018 Gary Aitkenhead at Porton Down confirmed they had been unable to verify the "precise source" of the Novichok nerve agent
> scientists from the Porton Down laboratory were “categorical” about the Russian origin of the substance used and stated he "personally asked the guy, are you sure?"
The whole thing was incredibly sloppy and too on the news. If a country with a lot of experience with espionage and assassinations as Russia wants someone dead, they won't just use a really specific nerve agent that could be linked to Russia, on outdoors, and get their target just hospitalized like a bunch of amateurs.
I might be jumping to conclusions, but this whole thing screams false flag, and one way to prove it wasn't, was the UK investigators, and they seem unable to pinpoint who it was.
everyone has it out for russia lately, hopefully this shuts them up for a while
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star&stripz is always arrogant
It is stupid to support political decision without scientific grounds.
Only the 'independent' and possibly some other rags are running this story, the actual conference is tomorrow so I'll wait until then.
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star&stripz is always arrogant
It is stupid to support political decision without scientific grounds.
Yes, everybody knows that Boris is a retard
Who is it to profit from this case?
The only possible person who could benefit from this is Putin, since it further cements his 'the West is evil and out to get us' position.
It is strange that the person who became dangerously ill
regains consciousness with nerve gas.
It was supposed to be the UK, but now it looks like Russia will benefit from it and the UK & USA will get humiliated
>I'd say it's some mafia which wants to destabilize relations between Russia and UK for whatever reason
this
It wasn't gas, it was a powder, and the effects of this family of nerve agent are unpredictable depending on the dose, the method of exposure, and how quickly atrophine was administered.
The issue is how quick our government were on the trigger. Even if evidence comes out to the contrary, there's effectively no way for them to go back on what they said.
the UK gets more support from the EU
It's already happened
>fake a nerve gas attack
>a week later turn around and say 'guess not lol'
Yeah makes perfect sense.
>>a week later turn around and say 'guess not lol'
In the op post there is a screen shot from deutsche welle
I also checked media outlets in the UK, most of them still try to convince everyone that it was Russian and that there is no need to have clear understanding where the hell the nerve agent come from. It's highly likely it was done by Putin, blahbahblah
So far there is just one case of an open lie that has popped up.
It basically just means that even if you weren't directly responsible (which I still doubt) that you've lost control of one of your nerve agents, which is even more retarded.
>Muhammed really is most popular baby name in the UK
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Or that someone who knows how to make the nerve agent is working for another country. But I guess that's impossible since everyone who knows how to make it is in Russia, right?
Polonium was considered an untraceable poison at the time of litvinenko's assassination, and despite Lugovoy getting radiation all over the hotel room and toilet it was undetectable for most of the journey. It really looks more like a fuck up than an intentional signal of Russian government involvement, I think they genuinely believed they'd get away with it without a trace.
>It really looks more like a fuck up than an intentional signal of Russian government involvement, I think they genuinely believed they'd get away with it without a trace.
The Russians immediately screaming about nukes leads me to believe this is the case. They were clearly unprepared to get caught and went into panic mode.
If it was the case then the agent origins could be easily traced down to Russia but that hasn't happened.
And by saying "you've lost control" who do you address to?
Do you realize that after 40 years of introduction of the agent and thanks to Vil's book on it it's not hard to manufacture a sample of it?
Whatever evidence they're not making public must be pretty convincing for most of Europe and the US to uniformly expel diplomats. It's also obvious why intelligence like this wouldn't be made public, especially while the details are still under examination.
>But I guess that's impossible since everyone who knows how to make it is in Russia, right?
Aha, except one of its inventors is living abroad and has published a book with a recipe / info on the substance.
Well that's nice and convenient, isn't it.
>must be pretty convincing for most of Europe and the US to uniformly expel diplomats
So convincing that many countries didn't believe in it?
>It's also obvious why intelligence like this wouldn't be made public, especially while the details are still under examination.
If the details are still under examination and the investigation hasn't yet finished, then why would the UK lie and force its allies to start a war on Russia? Eagerly jumping to conclusions without having any solid evidence of facts to back up the claim, openly lying about the source of the nerve agent... Too fishy and to naive.
It's not controversial that Russia isn't the only possible producer of Novichok agents, Iranian scientists synthesised several of them several years ago and published mass spec data to aid in their identification.
>then why would the UK lie and force its allies to start a war on Russia?
That's exactly what we're saying, to do that would be utterly retarded. That's why it obviously isn't the case.
I think the diplomatic actions we've seen have shown that the vast majority of countries which the UK shares intelligence with believe it.
There are clearly sufficient details to pinpoint Russian government involvement, that does not mean that every piece of how this happened has been put in place.
>must be pretty convincing for most of Europe and the US to uniformly expel diplomats.
FYI there are over 40 countries in Europe and only 16 countries joined the bandwagon.
Not really convincing.
>and only 16 countries joined the bandwagon.
The ones that actually matter did.
>That's exactly what we're saying, to do that would be utterly retarded. That's why it obviously isn't the case.
Not it fits right in,
> Merkel left journalists 'laughing uproariously after mocking Theresa May's negotiating skills'
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May lacks common sense and is unable to negotiate anything. Otherwise I can't explain her behaviour.
So they think she's a retard (they're right), and so also all expel Russian diplomats? Are you saying they're all retards too? Your logic is ridiculous.
Far more than 16 have pursued diplomatic actions against Russia, that number is incorrect.
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In Europe?
"Far more" - can you be more precise? I'm tired of that "highly likely" british shit.
The allies of the UK/US supported the claims and took actions. Many countries expelled just one or two persons out of solidarity.
Expelling one or two diplomats is kind of nothing. No one will ever notice.
>Expelling one or two diplomats is kind of nothing
Clearly most of Europe. I can't believe you actually thought it was 16 though, that's adorably deluded.
Hmmmmm
>Montenegro
>Macedonia
EU'd
>Clearly most of Europe. I can't believe you actually thought it was 16 though, that's adorably deluded.
Give me the number of countries in Europe, number of countries in the EU, and number of the EU countries who expelled russian diplomats.
I'm fucking tired of "clearly", "highly likely", "beyond reasonable doubt" arguments. Why brits are so stupid, I don't even
1 or 2 is a big deal for small countries
I really can't be arsed actually, I'm watching black mirror. The map and article make my point and I'm not going to pore over more articles for specific figures. It doesn't matter if it's 28 or 32, it's an obvious majority of countries the UK shares intelligence with.
Do your eyes not work, Ivan? He posted a fucking map for you, you dumb fuck.
which side will you lads be on in the upcoming world war?
>Russians trying this hard to shill
they can't be paying you enough 2bh
>washingtonpost.com
From the link you didn't (couldn't?) read;
>United States: 60
>Britain: 23
>Ukraine: 13
>NATO: 7
>Canada: 4
>France: 4
>Germany: 4
>Poland: 4
>Czech Republic: 3
>Lithuania: 3
>Moldova: 3
>Albania: 2
>Australia: 2
>Denmark: 2
>Italy: 2
>The Netherlands: 2
>Spain: 2
>Belgium: 1
>Croatia: 1
>Estonia: 1
>Hungary: 1
>Ireland: 1
>Finland: 1
>Latvia: 1
>Macedonia: 1
>Norway: 1
>Romania: 1
>Sweden: 1
Nato isn't a country, Australia and US aren't in Europe.
In Europe there are about 50 countries.
You are clearly full of shit.
Another typical brit, who has failed to provide a meaningful answer. Just like your politicians. Claiming shit is easy, backing it up is hard. When asked for more info the brits just ignore the questions and spit insults.
Keep going
Think the Russian has finally lost the plot lads.
>which side will you lads be on in the upcoming world war?
I guess the rage is over, at least according to the russian news agency Russia was told the US is open for negotians and new russian diplomats are welcome if russia accepts the us diplomats.
Why didn't Japan, Argentina, Mexico, and Egypt?
we created your nation
God dammit, how can you be so fucking stupid!
Less than 50% of countries in Europe supported the UK position and expelled russian diplomats.
The UK and brits here are constantly over exaggerating everything
You said there are 50 countries in Europe and less than half expelled Russian diplomats so that would be over 25.
Would you provide proofs by listing 20 most important ones who didn't. If that's too hard then list 10.
Countries in Europe are listed there:
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Or in wikipedia
Is that enough for you?
What are the 20 most important ones who didn't expel Russian diplomats.
I have no idea what do you mean by repeating 'most important' after the brit
I can clearly state that Estonia is one the least important country in Europe imo. do you share my point of view?
He is a russian, he lost the capacity of using logic after the fall of the ussr, he can only look for boogeymen and conspiracies to justify his own mediocracy and that of his own leaders
>, he lost the capacity of using logic after the fall of the ussr, he can only look for boogeymen and conspiracies to justify his own mediocracy and that of his own leaders
What you've done is described an average brit and british government.
Name 20 that YOU think are important. I'll wait.
Read the article properly and not from some shitty pro-Kremlin kraut rag next time.
> Gary Aitkenhead, the chief executive of the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) at Porton Down, Wiltshire, said it had not proved it was created in Russia.
>Mr Aitkenhead has also dismissed Russian claims that the nerve agent used in Salisbury might have come from the defence laboratory, and said that its deployment was "probably only within the capability of a state actor".
>Mr Aitkenhead told Sky News: "We, in terms of our role, were able to identify it as Novichok, to identify it was a military grade nerve agent.
>"We have not verified the precise source but we provided the scientific information to the government who have then used a number of other sources to piece together the conclusions that they have come to.
>"It's our job to provide the scientific evidence that identifies what the particular nerve agent is.
>"We identified that it was from this family and that it's a military grade nerve agent but it's not our job to then say where that actually was manufactured.”
>Aitkenhead would not comment on whether the laboratory had developed or kept stocks of novichok, but dismissed the suggestion from Russia that the agent used to poison the Skripals could have come from Porton Down.
>“There is no way anything like that could have come from us or left the four walls of our facility,” said Aitkenhead.
The government used more than one source to come to the conclusion that it was Russia, which is in any event obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. Vatnik screeching and pissing blood everywhere won't change that.