La Malinche

The Spaniard son she bore for Cortés was literally the first modern Mexican.

Is she considered a hero to Mexico?

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Not really. "Malinchista" is literally the term we use for self-hating mexicans .

she's never really discussed. i think she's a disgusting whore and i hope she's burning in hell, though.

She helped destroy the Aztecs, why would she be celebrated?

Didn't everyone hated the aztecs though?

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Didn't the other natives hate the Aztecs?

Why does Mexican identity revolve around Aztecs and Spaniards but not the other natives?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Guerrero
There were actually 2 spanish castaways who married and had children with the mayan women of yucatan a couple years before Cortes' expedition.

the center of the country where most people live is the aztec heartland

She did nothing wrong

>literally the first modern Mexican
Nope

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Guerrero

Shit, I didn't see your post

The country’s identity revolves around the Aztecs not the cuck tribes that allied with the Spanish

It doesn't. People in Oaxaca are very proud of their Zapotec and Mixtec heritage, Michoacan for Purepechas, the Yucatan Peninsula for Mayans, Olmecs in Tabasco, and even in the North with the Raramuris etc. etc. etc. It's fucking foreigners the ones who can't get past the Aztecs.

>The country’s identity revolves around the Aztecs
>Your identity revolves around war like psychopaths that gouged out the hearts of other tribes because they actually thought the sun ate it
Sounds about right

she is a very divisive historical figure.
on the one hand, she facilitated the entire conquest, and literally slept with the conquistador leader, on the other hand she may have acted as a moderator to the destruction that went on.

That's pretty based, our injuns were abo tier.

Both the "Flower Wars" and sacrifices were practiced by everyone. The wars were agreed upon.

i'm from michoacan and besides a state history class during middle school, the purepecha kingdom is never mentioned

like current paraguay

I'm from Michoacán too, and it was.

The same literally happens with the Aztecs and Mayans

what part
not really, they're mentioned in every history book all the way to high school

Pre-columbian history is barely touched upon, and most of it revolves around the conquest, which mainly happened in Tenochtitlan. Mexican history classes start to go deeper around the independence era. They also gloss over the 300 years of the colony, so yes, it's the same.

>Main person who was responsible that helped destroy Amerindian culture
>Hero

Bruh.

Those conquistadors in the background gang banged her

how did they talk to each other

>your identity revolves around the small federation that was killed almost to a man after the initial spanish invasion.

miring that LARP, Paco, you're almost as bad as the CHIs you send over.

She was property of one cortes so no, she wasnt gang banged

>56% "white"

>Main person who was responsible that helped destroy Amerindian culture
>not disease
The natives were fucked the minute that one got the sniffles.

they spoke the language of love

>Mother of a country
>Property

The absolute unequivocal state of Mexicans

through sex

With rifles

The entire Mexican populist is a byproduct of rampant race mixing. It's to the point where they become their own sub race. There is no pride in Mexican history only subjugation and Conquest, surrender and opression. Poverty and want has been the only constant. Why do these people deserve even a modicum of respect again?

My dad calls my sister Malinche
She stopped talking to him

malinche is literally just a metaphor for native americans who werent aztec who helped spaniards topple down the aztec empire because they were treated badly by the empire

>My dad calls my sister Malinche
why

She lusts for BGC

how does race mixing even affects in that way?
I'm all about the whole subjugation and conquest shit, but race mixing,how?

>Large scale mitochondrial sequencing in Mexican Americans suggests a reappraisal of Native American origins

bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1471-2148-11-293

How do Mexicans feel about the fact that they are rapebabies?

Chicano here, who the fuck isnt a rape baby? Germanys are literally a byproduct of celts, nords, and romans raping eachother's women for centuries . being "German" wasnt a thing until the 19th century

race mixing was asymmetric involving mostly european males and native females

Ask the german children being born of muslim fathers right now.

She only dates white guys.

what a hoodrat, ur dad is correct for shunning her

If she was a hoodrat, she wouldn't only date white guys

Also, she asked him why he cares about her dating white guys but not me dating white girls and he said that it's different when the girl is white

your dad sounds like a fucking idiot

Jesus, why are Americans so autistic on the topic of race?

I hate spics, but this was a sick burn. You tell em, Jose.

>Large scale mitochondrial sequencing in Mexican Americans suggests what everyone already knows

>G
?

I do not know, but I am betting for gringo

everyone with a basic knowledge of race, of course.
Normies still think Mexican is a separate race.

If it weren't for the Spaniards we would never have to deal with these fucking beaners. Couple more decades and they might have become more civilized, but no, have to get that bean poon.

Hans btfo

Pretty much what this user said.
The closest comparison we have for "Malinchista" would be having a man be described as Benedict Arnold, the name becoming synonym for traitor.

Based dad. Nah just kidding he probably wants blanqueamiento to happen but only if it was with his sons.

lot of Mexicans hate her, because "muh Aztec empire" (really were shit even worse than the Spanish). I love her though.....she is true strength

cuck

Aztec were shit worse than the Spanish.
Malinche was a survivor. Shit on by the Aztecs, then got a Spanish man and helped in out in creating a huge alliance to take the Aztecs down which wouldn't have happened if Aztecs weren't already shit. And yes she was probably also very attractive and intelligent.

A hero? Are u joking retard?

she was a stupid thot who brought about the destruction of mesoamerica all because she couldn't see past her own desire for revenge

>we wuz Indigenous n shiet
you wuz also spaniards n shiet and much of your culture and language comes from there

why larp as aztecs

You do know modern Mexicans live better than the royals of the Aztec empire right?

In a sane world not dominated by misogynists she'd absolutely be a hero. Aztecs were some of the biggest assholes pre-Spain

>she
What about literally all of the Tlaxcala?

>You do know modern Mexicans live better than the royals of the Aztec empire right?
Everyone on Earth lives better than any royal did during that period

wow, so people living 500 years in the future live better off? no fucking shit

>the wonders of the mexican education system

That can be said to all past royals? Quality of life then was complete dogshit compared to what we have today..

>In a sane world not dominated by misogynists she'd absolutely be a hero. Aztecs were some of the biggest assholes pre-Spain
The entire reason people know about her is because of misogyny. You must be a woman if you think some concubine actually made a meaningful impact on history rather than the indigenous groups that allied with Spaniards to defeat Aztecs and migrate with them to fight other natives in the rest of Mesoamerica and in the Philippines also.

This is truth

Nevertheless she can not be taken as a hero or traitor. She just was used and use also Cortes

Me on the right.

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are you telling me that mexicans identify as aztecs?

ugh

>be steadfast loyalist
>remembered as "traitor" because the traitors won
kek

>What about literally all of the Tlaxcala?
what about them

>The Spaniards retreated when too many of their men were killed or wounded, and they sought a peace treaty with the Tlaxcaltecs. Maxixcatzin, the ruler of Ocotelolco, was in favour of allying with the Spaniards, but Xicotencatl II opposed this idea and continued to fight, nearly wiping out the Spanish force. However, in a crucial moment, the soldiers from Ocotelolco retreated from the battlefield following the orders of Maxixcatzin, and Xicotencatl was forced to accept the proposed peace treaty.[3]

>When the final stage of the siege of Tenochtitlan was about to be carried out, Xicotencatl marched on the Aztec capital as the leader of a Tlaxcaltec force,[2]:353–355 attacking from the north and passing by Texcoco. The night before the final march, he was apprehended and accused of treason by Cortés and by the Ocotelolcan warleader Chichimecateuctli, who said that he had tried to flee back to Tlaxcala. He was summarily executed by hanging.[2]:357–358[4]

no to pretty much all of that

he was a commander in the continental army and switched his allegiance partway through the war

you really need to not post when you're completely ignorant

We don't larp as anything. Mexicans call themselves Mexicans.

Cortez literally would not have been able to win without them siding with him.

You mean he remembered his true loyalties.

Don't answer to the NZ flag. He's obsessed with us.

actually, it was his own personal desire for wealth and the affections of an aristocratic woman led him to get entwined in schismatic politics

he left out of pettiness

Imagine being on a ship for months surrounded by nothing but hairy, smelly men. You'd hit the first thing with a vagina you encountered.

Personally I think that it was less a desire for wealth as in what we perceive as being greedy, and more desire for wealth as in receiving the credit that was stripped from him and passed over his promotions to other people. I'd be livid if that happened to me too.

Yeah war like phsycopaths who were the most advanced civilization of the new world.

>Advanced civilization
>Not the Incas