Why do people think he was a good guy?

i know your pretending but many krauts are dumb

>"wab bhe ebil or goob blab bloblbblbbl"
Blind monarchs would have get what was to come even if it wouldn't have been Napoleon.

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Napoleon was a monarch aswell

Why do people think he was a bad guy? He brought modern civilization to a Europe that was still mostly stuck in feudalism. Law and order, enlightenment ideals, efficient beurocracy.

he betrayed the ideals of enlightenment by crowning himself emperor

he kicked some ass so damn hard generations later they are still butt hurted.

He didn't defend France, France was the aggressor in every of the coalition wars
He was a warmonger and oppressor

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Complete bullshit. France was the defender against the coalitions's attempts to gain control over France and oreserverat the status quo that was to them favourable.

shouldn't have declared war on the European powers if they wanted to be left alone I guess...
and what exactly did Napoleon defend, the revolutionary French ideals? By crowning himself emperor?

>france was the agressor
top lel lmao kraut

>The War of the First Coalition (French: Guerre de la Première Coalition) is the traditional name of the wars that several European powers fought between 1792 and 1797 against the French First Republic.[11]
>France declared war on the Habsburg Monarchy (cf. the Holy Roman Empire, Austrian Empire etc.) on 20 April 1792.
>Subsequently these powers made several invasions of France by land and sea, with Prussia and Austria attacking from the Austrian Netherlands and the Rhine, and the Kingdom of Great Britain supporting revolts in provincial France and laying siege to Toulon in October 1793.

better be a dictator for the people into a progressive society than a narcissic monarch into a feudal society.

>try to fuck with france
>gets btfo
>b-but its france fault
lmao kraut

He conquered Egypt and Europe. Has built Academies in Kair. Has kicked each asses in Europe.

>french battles at the same time without napoleon is about 50% wins
More like 60% at least. Don't dismiss the entire era and whole regions where and when Napoleon wasn't fighting but that still established puppet states over Belgium, the Netherlands, West Germany, the alliance with Spain, etc...

>France was the aggressor in every of the coalition wars
Fuck off kraut-nigger. The only one you could argue we started was the first (we DID declare war on Austria, but only after they threatened us), and the one against Russia (they technically broke the treaty of Pilnitz making the war legitimate).

We are unironically Europe's good guys.

false dichotomy

France declared war...
>implying Napoleon wasn't narcissistic
>we only started the first of a chain of wars that are all results of the first

>We are unironically Europe's good guys.
Do you have no self awareness? Don't you understand that you life inside your own bubble where you are the good guys, just like any other country?

thats why he reintroduced slavery after the republic abolished it

blacks and mulattos didnt like that so much in the caribean

in what is it false lmao its perfectly right and you know it is, your ancestors giot their arse kicked so damn hard their butt hurted are still showing generations later in their faggot descendants lmao

>declare war on prussia, german states
>btfo
>so asblasted that schemed wwi

the eternal french

>that are all results of the first
>France makes enduring peace with Britain and Austria after the first
>they spazz out and break it
>"Frankreich was in durr wrong here, for shur!"

>where you are the good guys,
All I'm saying is that it's hard to spin the Revolutionary and Napoleonic as an era as which France willingly thirsted for power and a chance to invade Europe. In many ways, it was the culmination of Louis XIII's and Louis XIV's policy against Austrian expansion, but many French were happy with the results of the First coalition war, and it's only the other powers that forced them into another war.
Not casting out a blanket statement on all French wars.

Anglos love however to compare him with Hitler and that's where you see the blatant differences.
Hitler:
>keeps on declaring war on others

Napoleonic:
>betrays his love Joséphine for peace and marriage with the Austrians, and only ever declares war once

pic related

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If Napoleon wasn't such an opportunistic asshole, you could have had a republic with him as the president.
George Washington had the greatness to turn down absolute power when it was offered to him. Napoleon did not

Because he is

>look the lad wasnt perfect so he was evil scum and my ancestors were right to attack france and try to bring back feudalism and monarchy because i like to suck my master cocks
>but becuse we failed, france had no right to humiliate us cuntless time
hon hon hon kraut

>annexes tons of stolen land due to temporary superiority
>enduring peace
...

>Spain
>Tyrol
>Russia
>Egypt and levant

Napoleon loved the local population so much he gave them eternal peace

>attack france
why do you deny historical facts? France started the Coalition wars.
>humiliate us cuntless time
goes both ways

>>so asblasted that schemed wwi
>implying France schemed WWI so good that they tried to be exempted from the hostilites (they tried to ask for neutrality) until Germany declared war on them instead
Ah yes, classic!

If you knew anything about 1870-1914 as an era, you'd know France's greatest enemy there was Britain, and not Germany.

>>annexes tons of stolen land
Technically it was puppetting. And it was supposed to ensure peace by making the balance of power more equal with those new Sister Republics.

if krauts werent evil scum europe would still be stronger than the states shut the fuck up youre the one who ruined everything because of your ass blasted lol

get it through your skull, dumb frog, napoleon didn't care about enlightenment, it was just a tool for him to get to power and become a monarch himself

>france started the coalition wars
lmao, becuse european nations didnt tried to take over france after the revolution period fucking denier ? looool

now we stopped being evil, and Evropa is prospering, so stop complaining

At least the local girls had fun I guess...

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>Technically it was puppetting. And it was supposed to ensure peace by making the balance of power more equal with those new Sister Republics.
France also annexed much land, on top of the puppet states.
France declared war, get over it.

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you should read some of the letters of the french government at that time... it seems that they where longing for a war....

yes it was and in the end he did more for the people than centuries of monarchy and feudalism

parce qu'il est

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>yurocuck
>think hes good

>american
>believe his point of view has any meaning

I only just see Wallonia annexed, which was basically France's stated aim, and which would've been made obvious enough to the world in the Anglo-Dutch war.

Maybe not exactly in the way of lasting peace, but a small enough reward when your country has been pining for it since a hundred years, and you've just won in odds that could never have seemed realistic.

Only the Quai d'Orsay was autistic, I'll give you that, and they screwed Germany pretty harshly in the Morroccan affairs. All their diplomats were pretty anti-German crazed, like Jules Something in London, and some of the army too (most were still opposed to war because they didn't think they could win it).

But nothing close to the scale it had infecred Germany and Austria. We have accounts of Moltke and Hotzendorf in 1914 agreeing a war should start sooner than later because of France funding Russian industralieation.

même à nos jours l'éternel kraut défie toujours le glorieux empereur. Quand aura-t-on une solution finale pour les krauts ?

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he got more people killed for sure

And Savoy too. That's for all the victories in Italy I guess, and to get a more advanced outpost against Austrian shits....

and Flanders
please fuck off

>muh it was ours in the Middle Ages
I really can't defend that one. Flanders is untamable anyways, they even tried to fight with sheep against our knights so I don't know what we're doing there.

yeah agreeing to a war under the condition that france is allied with russia. russia longing for war with germany and austro hungary. german believed that it could not win a war against russia therefore needed to defeat France first. and since france is a great power you better take them in surprise than they take you by surprise

also German gobernment send emisarry to Wien in order to tell them that they shouldnt start a war... sadly he arrived a day to late.

t. boche

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Flanders belongs to Belgium or Netherlands, not France or Germany (though I'm a HREboo)
not funny tbqh
the US didn't do that

>also German gobernment send emisarry to Wien in order to tell them that they shouldnt start a war... sadly he arrived a day to late.
Isn't that in contradiction to you issuing them a Blank Cheque that meant they could unload their autism on the Serbian and Russian emissaries? But good to know the war fever didn't go all the way for Germany.

>yeah agreeing to a war under the condition that france is allied with russia.
I don't know what that means. Yes, France was allied with Russia, but it also considered them to be reckless, so wasn't going to support them if it declared war on Germany.

> russia longing for war with germany and austro hungary.
Probably only with Austria, and that's because they thought they had been shamed in the Bosnian affair in 1908. And all that business about Austria trying to break up pan-Slavism.

Russia mainly wanted war because of Pan-Slavism or so it was believed. and the german Empire consisted of polish lands which russia seemed to want to take by force if necessary.

The blank Cheque was issued because of guilt of the last war and because germans need to stick together.

>takes crown from pope, crowns himself
the ABSOLUTE madMAN

Bastard did what everybody did in Europe, but better than anyone.

>He didn't defend France, France was the aggressor in every of the coalition wars
Embarrassing post but I'm not surprised because of the flag

t. Europe history's bad guy

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>those people managed to take control of europe
imagine the level of faggotery of other countries lmao

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Basé francophile germanophobe

Literally the greatest man in human history.
We would all be speaking French on space colonies today if it wasn't for perfidious albion.

nice blitzkrieg with better technology and army when our ally prefered to flee by the sea

thx

LOOK AT THIS DUDE

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WAIT TIL YOU SEE THE

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OH NO NO NO

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>my autistic monster of a country led to the destruction of a living saint
russia delenda est

LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD

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delet

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Because he was.

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eh whatever, karl the 12th was dumb anyway

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> trust (((us))) mon ami, we're only passing through
> it's not like we're staying here forever or kidnapping your royal family or anything
Around the French, don't sit on the bench.

Greatest ally.

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>Try to integrate the civil code to Spain
>immediate chimp out

Really make you think.

Because he was, only Anglos are butthurt at him

Hitler is Jow Forums's guy while Napoleon is Jow Forums's guy

debate me, protip you cant

based

Joséphine had an affair with some Young French Officer while napoleon was away fighting wars. He was a confirmed cuckhold and not based.

The Peninsular War was such a mistake. Losing resources and manpower to peasant guerilleros right before having to invade Russia wasn't needed

It hardened him though, and in the future he fucked around without a care in the world.

Portugal had an affair with some island in the North sea while Spain was away fighting muslims. Confirmed a slut who would make friends with protestants

Napoleon was based.

It is a lesson to never leave your wife Alone while battling. Or keep your wife closer or keep her under hard survelaince. It is a subjectivas keeps existing todas. Thousands of US soldier get cucked every year while fighting for their country and US govt. doesn't do anything against cheaters. Alas it even protects them.

> let's give some socialism to those oppressed Afghans Ivan, I'm sure they will thank us
> let's give some democracy to those oppressed Iraqis and Afghans DeShayquon, I'm sure they will thank us
> let's give some Arab nationalism to those oppressed Yemenis Omar, I'm sure they will thank us
I guess people never learn

>country Loses independence to Spain after the King dying in a battle fighting Muslims
>defends an irreligious man that interfered with Church affairs

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He did nothing good to anyone but for himself.

Vive l'Empereur !
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