Would you support an united Europe?

No.

Yes, of course

please be it

no

Ye but no Turkey

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I don't care as long as Russia isn't a part of this circlejerk.

Depends on a lot of factors, but probably yes.

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The idea is nice, and european countries alone are weak.
Also we'd get to leech some more gibs from the western nations so I'm down.
Besides, that sounds great:
"The European Federation" "The United Peoples of Europe" or some other shit like that

You should care, a European federation would spell doom for Russia. Putin is doing his hardest to ensure it never happens.

No, I don't want to be ruled by corrupt politicians don't even know about my country and don't enforce the laws we agreed upon.

Yes

Yes but unironically

I don't even want to be ruled by Rome, the idea of being ruled by some limp-wristed negro-loving germanocentric bunch of technocrats in Brussels is a nightmare.

Putmeme is doing his damndest to ensure it happens son

yep, he truly is a parrot

What Putin fears is his country being forced to inevitably accept the EU and actually join it. There is no other way to shield Russia from the non-stop sanctions and collapsing economy than do exactly that, and sooner or later a pro-EU candidate will appear who will convince the Russians that prosperity is right in front of them if only they joined the western countries in the EU and opened that massive market to and from Russia without any restrictions, along with free movement for better work and study opportunities. This is Russia's inevitable fate forced by the geographical location and this will be the inevitable result, the question is will Russia rule over it or will they submit to a foreign administration, which is why Russia is doing their best to balkanize the EU - their intent isn't to actually kill it, they want to copy-paste it under their leadership once the current one is dismantled, basically the Soviet Union minus communism and expanding past Berlin.

And as a side note, no, the EU federation won't "spell doom" for Russia, quite the opposite actually, it would instantly revitalize the entire region and turn it into the Russian Germany. As I said above, it's all about who remains on top of the federation that inevitably unifies Europe.

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No, forget about Europe, Hans.

Not if it's under the fucking Krauts.

Pic related is the only united European empire I'd approve of

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As if we'd ever submit to Russian rule lol. We'd sooner join the USA.

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only if the capital is Rome, we get to larp as Roman and there is a Roman Emperor. I don't care if the Emperor is purely ceremonial or actually has power. also genocide the turks and give greece constantinople.

>Putin is doing his hardest to ensure it never happens.
Thank you based Vlad!

Nope, everyday the EU confirms itself as the worst idea.

You won't have a choice due to the massive economic influence such a union would have on you, especially on a country like you which loves to import and export and act as the trade post of Europe. It's a lot like why you joined the EU and why almost everyone in your nation keeps supporting the EU - they don't actually care about "independence" or anything like that, those are only a minority of nationalists, what the average person cares about is wages, good career and not pissing his life away for a wage that is twice higher in a country next to him. Putin knows this perfectly and realizes that if he managed to reform the Soviet Union minus communism and minus western isolationism that he'd have full control over Europe within a few decades. This is Russia's grand strategy - it's not anti-EU, it's anti-non-Russian-controlled EU

Putin would love to join EU, it would solve all of Russia problems.
But daddy USA is against it

true and false in most parts, but mostly true
USA is strongly against Eurasia uniting. They see the Soviet Union as a geopolitical mistake they should've never allowed to happen and will do their best to prevent that from happening because such an entity runs out of rivals around it and the only rival left for it then becomes the USA

then which part is false?

That Putin doesn't want to join the EU, at least not on the current terms.

currently, the biggest problem of russia is the isolation from the world market, due to western sanctions. If they were part of the EU single market, sanctioning russia would be impossible, and they economy would prosper

Faggot.

Yes but as I said above, Russia sees itself as too powerful to submit to foreign laws and to have an equal say in how such a massive union is run to countries like Bulgaria for an example, as it currently is. They'd prefer to keep control of it which is what Russia is desperately trying for one final time - to break up this one so they can re-establish it on their own terms. The individual EU countries cannot survive in this globalized world monopolized by superpowers and their economies without a union like the EU bringing them together and are highly-susceptible to joining such unions, so another EU would almost instantly form again if the current one died.
But yes, they'll eventually fail and have to submit after their wages drop to poverty compared to the west and the people start asking themselves "is our supposed independence really that important when I can barely afford food for my family?". Before that, no, I highly doubt that a Russian president would ever attempt to join it

>Germans can't achieve domination of Europe militarily
>disingenuously try to achieve domination of Europe through an anti-nationalist bureaucratic supranational superstate that desperately tries to punish countries for stepping out of line ideologically
Literally the only place that has a valid claim to the domination of Europe is Rome. If I had to I'd rather be Roman than some rootless citizen of a sterile German federal superstate run by psycho autists.

Europe isn't best when Europe is 'United', Europe is best when Germany is fragmented.

I don't remember asking for your opinion double faggot

It's not an opinion, faggot. It's a fact.

Yes, but not if it's kraut centric, you're just a bunch of nigger loving faggots

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reunification was a mistake, it upset the balance of power

I think you are forgetting that Russians are mighty scared of China. They know that Chinas economy is much stronger and their military will become stronger, eventually. If Russia remains on its own, it is only a matter of time until they fall into Chinese sphere of influence.
So they would much rather get into EU, where they would be one of the most influential member states, rather than ending up as Chinese vassal

>Europe isn't best when Europe is 'United', Europe is best when Germany is fragmented.
best for the Anglo, maybe, but not best for the people of Europe

butthurt english
gott strafe england

>it's best for the people of Europe for Germany to outweigh them and try to control them
Literally never in history has Europe not suffered because of a united Germany, or not benefited from a fragmented Germany.

what about right now?

you say that, in typical germ fashion, like europeans are one single people. I wonder if Germany would be so pro-Europe if it had a fraction of its population and power, if your country was lorded over by the English or French.

>and they economy would propser
Russia is a petrostate whose economic prosperity is more related to oil prices than EU membership.
Joining the EU might just accelerate their brain drain and remove any possibility of them becoming first world.

>english
No, you German-submitting cuck.

EU will try to keep Russia as weak as possible if they join. Stronger Russia is a threat to their influence.

You mean with Germany dominating the EU and punishing its poor southern neighbours and inviting millions and millions of people from the third-world to come to Europe? Yeah

Will it make western euro cunts richer? If so its yes, otherwise I dont see the need for it

Bulgaria is in EU, and it is still a poor shithole.

What could they seriously do?
I feel like Russia's biggest barrier to success is Russia. If they could develop a first world economy and not piss off every nation on Earth, then they could be a global powerhouse.

>I wonder if Germany would be so pro-Europe if it had a fraction of its population and power, if your country was lorded over by the English or French.
That was literally the case 30 years ago

This is the case because Russia lacks money to invest into building up a real economy.
Free access to western investment money would fix that

Blame the Soviet Union using us as their personal factory and forcing us to isolate ourselves from the entire world so we can only export and import to them, at a huge discount of course.
But since we joined the EU we have been improving quite steadily actually. Here's a picture of Serbia and Bulgaria's GDP's for the past 30 years. Notice how we were literally the same (and we are technically the same country with same culture, same people and even same number of people, same religion, same history and so on - you get the idea) and how we suddenly split and got a ~30% bump in 2007, which is right when we joined the EU and opened our markets to it. Serbia has been stagnating and slowly going down ever since while we continue to grow. A lot of commieblocks are getting renovated, roads are getting fixed, industries are getting modernized, wages are growing slowly, while Serbia, our twin brother who's not in the EU, remains the same.

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that is a pretty simplistic view of the current situation

Yes, lots of european friends!

yes

>do you want to be a part of a united federal europe controlled by germany
>no thanks m8 that seems like a terrible idea lmao
>WOW YOU'RE SO BUTTHURT FUCK YOU GOTT STRAFE ENGLAND

also
>The phrase means "May God punish England". It was created by the German-Jewish poet Ernst Lissauer (1882–1937), who also wrote the poem Hassgesang gegen England (lit. "Hate song against England", better known as "Hymn of Hate").
lmfao

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>The phrase means "May God punish England". It was created by the German-Jewish poet Ernst Lissauer (1882–1937), who also wrote the poem Hassgesang gegen England (lit. "Hate song against England", better known as "Hymn of Hate").
this is kinda ironic desu

anyway, I respect your opinion, but germany dominating anything is itself a disingenuous meme.
The biggest gain in relevance for the sick man of europe is responsibility of the Brits with their whole brexit fiasco.

>wanting an absolutist state
Jefferson must be rolling over in his grave

What an awful opinion.

>Thank you based Vlad!

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Christ no. Happy to maintain close ties with our European friends, but what is the need for a political union? Why are people clamouring for a state of affairs in which they are governed by foreigners?

>foreigners
we are all Europeans

I would agree with the greatest Foreign Secretary England has had, that a federation of Europe is in the best interest of the continent for continued peace.

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do you value your European identity over your German identity?

i am not really sure what you mean

He's trying to meme on you.

>punishing its poor southern neighbours

It's not punishing them to want them to honour their debts.

I'm a bong first and a European second.

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Wait for this year's European cohesion fund, it will be primarily delegated to southern European states.

There is no European people, Europe is a strictly geographical term.

Keinesfalls so wies die Politiker vorhaben!

There's European people when people feel European. There are people who feel European hence there are European people.

whites are european

He's right you know. It's the spirit of the people that forms a nation, or an 'imagined community.' If the population will it, a European identity exists.

Read the political ideology of nationalism.

I am Bavarian, German and European. There should be governmental structures to represent all three of those entities.

lol a german and a dutchman feel miles apart already
how you gonna make a gypsy from romania and an scot the same?
no.

bayern sind keine deutsche

>There's no cultural, ethnic, political, social, economic, or historical differences between British people and Spanish people and Belgian people and Bulgarian people and Finnish people and Irish people and Croatian people and German people and Romanian people and French people and Polish people and Greek people we're all the same and we should be one country
I'm a European and I'm happy to be a European, but I'm British first and foremost, because Britain is a nation. Europe isn't. It's like saying "dude abolish all borders and nations and countries and everything because ~we're all human~". It's creepy, reductionist, wilfully blind social engineering rooted in insanity and faggy internationalist lefty cosmopolitan politics.

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aren't there such governmental structures in place already? Do we need to extend formal political unity across the entire continent to represent our European identities.

Britain isn't a nation either, it's an artificial union of three and a half nations

Southwestern Finn and Laplander and fennoswede are all miles apart from each other yet all are Finns. Why can't the same apply to Europeans if Europeans feel themselves as Europeans? I feel European therefore I am European.

>There should be governmental structures to represent all three of those entities
>the fact that people consider themselves European means there should be a Europe-wide government
but that's not true. there doesn't need to be a level of government for every identity you have, what kind of insane german nonsense is that

The current "EU" is authoritarian.
I didn't vote for these bullies.

rude

European Union needs to be sovereign. It needs to have a leader elected by European people, and its own budget and military

Then who is gonna represent the interests of European people?

How is EU authoritarian? EU parliament is directly voted for, European council is made up from people who you voted for to be your government and European commission is made up from decisions of parliament and council.

Of course. You just have to look at the fresh 2017 GDP numbers to get the strongest argument for European integration.

Euroscepticsm is a meme invented by some thick-rimmed oxbridge nerd on a flip chart in the London office of some data anylitics firm.

"Europeans" does not share a language, they do not share a culture nor do they share an ethnicity. Furthermore, to base the European nation on ethnicity would be dismissed as racist. Defining it by culture would be dismissed as bigoted. The shared history is one of violence and rivalry. "Europeans" are not even geographically confined to the arbitrary continent, as Spanish enclaves in Morocco and French Guinea, etc, have to be included.

So, what left is there to constitute a nation? Rule of law, democracy, aspirations for a peaceful and free society. These ideals are not unique to "Europeans".
If these are the basis for the nation, then Canada, Australia, NZ would also be "Europeans".

The European nation is as artificial as the Aryan nation, that the Germans felt that Norwegians were a part of. I see nothing in the identity to identify with.

White is an artificial ethnicity made by Americans because they have no clear lineage. It's only useful as a descriptive term.