>One Finnish BULL = 20 russian slavcucks
Really makes you think
One Finnish BULL = 20 russian slavcucks
Christian Morales
Robert Stewart
At least post a war that Finland won
Thomas Myers
>Finns are different from Russians
Kys if you actually believe that. You come from the Uralic mountains. You are in essence a Russian citizen.
Christopher Sanchez
>Let's ignore that the Russians had to march through a frozen wasteland while the Finnish were hiding in mountains
Joshua Ward
you mean hohol?
Xavier Powell
Benjamin Green
Basically Finns are traitors who don't even realize it.
Hunter Ramirez
Zachary Thompson
Don't get arrogant Finland. France saved you and we all know it.
Another normal day in France's life of good deeds.
Chase Hill
>Uncomfortable truth
I know even your military generals are part Slavic, aside from Uralic which is also Russian.
Matthew Jackson
Literally everything you say is false
Jaxson Jones
Finland would've been a paradise if it adopted to the nazbol ideology of stalin though
Nathaniel Wood
Who does Karelia belong to now?
This is like an American bragging about the Vietnam war just because we killed over a million zipperheads lmao
Colton Harris
The Uralic monkey showing his true face.
Dominic Diaz
Language group is not ethnicity lmao.
Isaac Davis
>b-b-but you lost the war! ;__;
Gee a country with a population of >100million vs a country with
Henry Perry
Hunter Baker
M8 you lost the winter war.
You can be salty about it but after all the asskicking they ended up just zerg rushing you and you lost
Asher Brooks
Cooper Long
>Finland
>mountains
David Bennett
Finland is not what the tourist websites lead us to believe.
Many expats assume that it is going to be like the rest of Scandinavia: uneventful, Lutheran and "Nordic". For this reason they are fairly quickly hit by a dose of cultural confusion.
Finland is NOT Nordic: the language is related to the Siberian languages; it was (disputably) a Soviet client- state until 1991; and the Finns' intense quietness is very different from the more confident Norse.
Finns make this disorientation worse by insisting their country is "unique". And, as it's impossible, by definition, to make sense of anything "unique" you've no choice but to prostrate yourself before the spirit of the sauna.
The reason Finland doesn't make sense to us is because we haven't found the right metaphor. I think Finland is "Arctic" and, bizarrely, seems to have far more in common with Greenland than with its Nordic neighbours.
One of the first things expats are disturbed by is the silence.
I remember the horror I felt meeting my wife's friends. We'd sit there drinking violently strong coffee in a Trappist-like hush.
The same is true in Greenland - the Eskimologist Mark Nuttall recalled to me a case of two Inuit women meeting for coffee and not speaking at all!
There are many possible reasons for this. The languages, which have a very similar structure, mean you can say in one word what might take 10 in English.
Words are therefore respected; where we bond with words they bond with silence. Also both countries were relatively equal hunter-gatherer or basic farming societies for far longer than the Nordics.
If you talk a lot you are therefore "one who wants to be leader" and threaten the solidarity of the group.
Where I live, you will see alcoholics (sometimes unconscious in the street) on an everyday basis. But, conversely, a significant minority, around 30 per cent, don't drink anything because they're members of religious revival groups.
Liam Lee
nice victory you got there i bet the russians are mad as fuck because they dont know what to do with all that conquered land
Mason Ward
Yes, they zerg rushed us, but were eventually stopped at Tali-Ihantala and had to abandon their plan of recapturing Finland and gave in to peace negotiations. While technically a loss to save Soviet face, having to stoop down to peace negotiations because they couldn't win with their military power was in itself defeat for russians. Heads rolled over it in Krelm, while Finns celebrated their leaders as heroes. Does that sound like the behaviour of a country that just won a war?
What you millenials don't understand is that the entire concept of a Finnish nation was less than 30 years old. Finland didn't exist before that. There was Russian territory, which the Finns took for themselves. Then, some years later, when Russia tried to reclaim THEIR territory, Finns held them back. Even though the peace agreement states we ceded land, Russia didn't take anything from us because it wasn't ours to start with. Any Finnish sovereignty being left after a full force Soviet land assault was a digrace to Russians. Some swamp land in Karelia was a symbolic gesture at best.
Think of it this way: If I steal 10 apples from you, and after you try to beat me up (and fail) agree to give you one apple back, did you win? We took 110% of Finland from Russia and gave 10% back. That's why Finns talk about WW2 as a victory, even though it's marked as a defeat if all you know is the synopsis of a Wikipedia article.
I'm talking about more than just Winter War, but it's idiotic to talk about any events of that time without the whole context.
Actually Russians were mad as fuck. First because the Finnish territory economically outperformed the areas of both St. Petersburg and Moscow while a part of Russia which proved how ineffective their government was, then they got even madder when a bunch of snow monkies could just declare independence and all of their supposed military might couldn't do shit about it which proved how ineffective their military was.
Jeremiah Ross
Jayden Lopez
>their plan of recapturing Finland
whole purpose of war was to move border away from Leningrad, Pekka, not to capture entire Finland
Daniel Gray
>languages are genes
That would mean you're 0% Uralic monkey which definitely isn't the case
Mason Baker
Asher James
That's perhaps what they taught you in a Russian school.
Owen Green
Sounds like you experienced Oulu. Don't worry, it gets better the more south you move.
Henry Cook
Yes, the Soviets zerg rushed Finland and won by military victory. Informed post.
Christopher Murphy
there existst literally no proof of the soviets wanting anything more than the land close to st. petersburg, which they got
Oliver Davis
>Soviets gave independence to Finland so later they can declare war on it and annex
Liam Thomas
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Jack Turner
It's just nicer to not talk to anyone because you don't care about stranger's lifestories and nobody else cares about yours. Also it's polite not to make a scene by talking so people can't hear you in 3 meters unless you need their attention. Most people don't mind someone coming to ask directions but beyond that it's too personal.
The drinking, a lot of people think it's better to get wasted cheap and fast because you'll be drunk with cheap stuff too. And why drink if not going all the way?
Isaac Flores
>talks smack without even bothering to read the thread
Can't go lower than that
James Evans
There exists loads of documented written evidence, available at your local library.
>gave independence to Finland
lmao I see the Russian state schools are still as informative as ever.
Lenin had no choice but to accept Finland's declaration of independence. He knew fighting it in the internal turmoil of the October revolution and its aftermath would not only most likely fail, but also cause the Bolseviks to lose power in their own land. Him ""giving"" Finland independence was a tactic of delaying the issue until the internal issues were settled, and as soon as they were (after the first two 5 year plans) to recapture what was rightfully Russian clay back.
Lenin giving us independence is literally considered a joke, in the same tone America "liberating" nations with oil. Only the hardest core communists of the 60s could say it with a straight face.
Parker Phillips
>finnish mountains
nice selfie there, buddy
Luke Flores
>soviets only demanded the karelian isthmus, which they would compensate by ceding parts of eastern karelia
>refuse and instead have even more land conquered from you
>years later some kids on Jow Forums do mental gymnastics of how this somehow was a finnish victory
Eli Ross
You only did it because you thought our independence wouldn't last long and because you were in a civil war and wouldn't have been able to stop us at the moment.
Also those are completely different decades and Stalin was not Lenin.
Matthew White
Just to clarify I'm not saying Lenin was planning the 5 year plans in 1917. I meant after the first two five year plans was the time Russia felt strong enough to settle the unfinished business put on the back burner until the time is right. Obviously the conflict across Europe served as a good excuse to start a war as well. Don't forget Russia wasn't fighting Nazis in 1939. It wasn't really involved in a World War at that point even though we now look back at the time as the start of WW2. All it did was try to restore its claim on two former territories, Finland and Poland.
Jaxson Wright
Yeah they only wanted the Karelian Isthmus, that's why they went through the trouble of setting up a puppet government that claimed to represent all of Finland and wanted to join in the Soviet Union. Wait what?
Logan Hall
[citation needed]
Easton Sanders
you're getting baited.
Jordan Torres
puppet government or not, the cause of the war was a result of finland refusing to cede a strip of land outside of st. petersburg, which the soviets eventually got. how was this not a soviet victory?
Angel Long
>Soviets wanted Finland back!!
>but for some reason they decided not to capture it during WW2 or force it into joining USSR
>they also returned annexed peninsula
John Lewis
The cause of war was Stalin intending to capture all of Finland back. You're a naive dumbass if you think agreeing to some earlier demand (like a strip of land outside St. Petersburg) would've prevented the war.
en.wikipedia.org
>how was this not a soviet victory
>If I steal 10 apples from you, and after you try to beat me up (and fail) agree to give you one apple back, did you win?
Juan Kelly
>they decided
en.wikipedia.org
Anthony Russell
>soviets only demanded the karelian isthmus, which they would compensate by ceding parts of eastern karelia
It's easy to be afterwise. Karelia was the second most industrilized area in Finland of course you would refuse that kind of a shit deal to trade it for completely useless land.
"The invasion plans were laid down by the Soviet General Staff under Boris Shaposhnikov and Alexander Vasilevsky. The Soviet timetable was clearly and rigidly defined, with little or no margin for error. The key date was 21 December, Stalin's sixtieth birthday. By then, the Finnish capital Helsinki would have been "freed of the Fascist oppression". Andrei Zhdanov had already commissioned a celebratory piece from Dmitri Shostakovich, entitled "Suite on Finnish Themes" to be performed as the marching bands of the Red Army would be parading through Helsinki.[42]"
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
It was a defensive victory.
David Perry
this thread has to be some kind of planned Finnish nationalist operation
Dominic Hernandez
>The Soviet delegation demanded that the border between the USSR and Finland on the Karelian Isthmus be moved more westward to a point only 30 km (19 mi) east of Vyborg (Finnish: Viipuri) and that Finland destroy all existing fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus. Likewise, the delegation demanded the cession of islands in the Gulf of Finland as well as Rybachy Peninsula (Finnish: Kalastajasaarento)
>In exchange, the Soviet Union would cede Repola and Porajärvi municipalities from Eastern Karelia, an area twice the size of the territory demanded from Finland.[62][65]
they got everything they demanded from finland, it was a soviet victory no matter how you spin it
Robert Reed
>of course you would refuse that kind of a shit deal
That, and the fact that by that point Finns were well enough experienced with Russians to know agreeing to their demands wouldn't have helped anything.
The real mental gymnastics here is a Norwegian who failed high school history trying to claim that winter war and continuation war could've been prevented if we just played along with Russian plot #8091 because "that's what they said they would do!".
Samuel Hernandez
History doesn't work that way, retard.
Robert Flores
Fuck off, kike.
Jaxon Cooper
...
Cameron Ross
OH NO NO NO
Isaiah Moore
the soviets might have thought finland would be easier to occupy, but that doesn't change the fact that the soviets got what they had demanded and more after the war
Isaiah Johnson
>Norway defending Russia instead of their Nordic brother
Some Swede once said Norway is the last bastion of Soviet Union. It makes sense now.
Sebastian Martin
The winter war and the continuation war weren't wars over a strip of land outside St. Petersburg regardless of how you try to convince yourself that they were.
Thomas Ross
im not defending russia, im just tired of finns parroting their power fantasies when the soviets clearly got what they demanded from finland
Thomas Perry
But He was a Swede Finn OP
at very best a Swedo Finn
so you cant actually claim him or this victory as a truly Finn victory
Also posting that most beautiful Finn qt Pia Pakarinen
those alien long eyes
11/10
Zachary White
I usually don't act like a victim but getting shitted on from every direction is quintessentially Finnish
David Foster
You're picking one completely trivial part of a series of events that spanned decades and treating it like that one demand among hundreds was the whole cause and reason the war was fought over. Soviet demands didn't end in that one demand. Soviet plans didn't end in that one demand. You're trying to rewrite history to suit your argument.
Nicholas Harris
>250,000 vs. 1,000,000 men
Why are you posting fake numbers?
Ryan Wright
>getting shitted on from every direction is quintessentially Finnish
Adam Jackson
Youre just butthurt because muh viking pride and you got fucked by germans.
Soviets tried to annex Finland, never happened. Could gone better, but also worse. Its useless to be afterwise.
Andrew Martinez
Feels fucking good man. Why are Russian """men""" such beta virgins?
Adrian Lee
It would be funny except it's true.
Lincoln Wright
im rewritting jackshit
if i want an apple from you and you refuse to give it to me, then i beat you up and take it, wouldn't that be a victory? literally what happened
Ayden Anderson
>Soviets tried to annex Finland
Adrian Collins
soviets wanted to annex parts of karelia which would be compensated. they later got the land, and more, by forcing finland to cede it. that's as much of a victory as it gets
Ethan Brown
Look at that alpha hunter gaze and compare it to that beta virgin stare
Why did they even try?
Matthew Gutierrez
>Finns made this hunk of junk that the USN threw away into the highest production to ace ratio of any plane
impressive
Adrian Cruz
they're just in denial at this point. might as well say norway was never taken by germany since we never formally capitulated
Henry Campbell
You're probably not very smart. You've been proven wrong various times already but you keep spouting the same thing.
It's like playing chess with a pigeon
Henry Edwards
Except those every single one of those apples were yours to begin with, which is what you're conveniently forgetting.
Finnish independence, the october revolution, first world war, second world war are all a continuum. You're taking the middle school history approach of treating events as though they existed in a vaccuum. I'm sure next year they'll teach you about C-O-N-T-E-X-T.
Wyatt Gonzalez
Again, not after Finland refused to give the territory.
You just dont know history and also its well known fact that russians have their own versions on everything.
Angel Green
>in this wikipedia article it only mentions this small part of karelia so that's what the war was fought over
Lucas Morgan
>lose war
>brag about it and make movies about it
The absolute state of f*nland
Parker Johnson
>lose second biggest city
>claim victory
It's like Russia losing Petersburg or USA losing Los Angeles in some war and then claiming victory.
Wyatt Clark
It's funny cause it's true
Finns are so delusional
Elijah Johnson
Not when you consider Finland was only around for 30 years or so. It would be more like colonial america losing Newark or something
Dominic Robinson
all i see are finns spouting how the soviets were trying to annex finland when they literally only asked for strips of land so they could better prepare their second largest city against the germans
the finns were also forced by the soviets to attack their german allies in the lapland war. the only war finland has ever been a part of which was a victory was the one where they started shooting their former allies
Asher Davis
Plus their nation was still around and that's the main point of the war.
Ethan Fisher
the main point of the war was to make sure the karelian isthmus came into soviet hands, which it did
Ryan Perez
but hey you didn't annex all of finland only a third or so that means you got btfo!
Dylan James
Finns might've lost the war but they performed impressively nevertheless.
Levi Perez
Why does USSR/Russia suck so much at war?
Their death tolls, even in battles that they won, is always ridiculously high, especially considering that USSR/Russia troops always dwarfs their enemies' troops in numbers
Jackson Green
The main point of the war was the complete conquest of finland, which the soviets failed miserably at.
Reminder that soviets started wars with the baltic and poland on almost identical pretenses and proceeded to conquer them all. Meanwhile there are 400,000 dead or maimed reasons they didn't manage to do the same thing with finland.
Jaxson Stewart
>The main point of the war was the complete conquest of finland
nah, they wanted access to the baltic sea. that was the main point of the war. and they got it, st. petersburg was lost to soviets in the wars
the only other soviet coastal area with access to the baltic sea, kaliningrad, only became part of soviet union after continuation war
Angel Anderson
If only
Jayden Watson
They could afford it. Numbers superiority is a major advantage that could easily offset having shittier equipment, and not zerg rushing when you could isn't great.
That said, the Soviets executed most high ranking officers, strategists and experts in their military because they were Tsarists, so they were terrible the first few decades of the USSR. Check the Soviet-Afghan war and you'll see that they improved a lot
Colton Anderson
Disorganised army and being caught completely unprepared at the start of the war.
Landon Martin
soviets were really nice!
they put a red star on their forehead so we would know where to aim
Connor Williams
>ussr steamrolls eastern europe and takes it
>finn think "no, you will get the bullet"
>many years later norwegian communist cuckold says "hurr durr they wanted only karealian isthmus"
what did he mean by this?
Chase Harris
it was hohols
Andrew Turner
it was hohols, most cheep and useless units
dead hohol more useful than alive- he not eat rice