Australia needs your help
How do we build a country with lots of cities rather than a few big ones? People only want to move to Sydney, Melbourne and Perth to the point of overcrowding, even though we obviously have heaps of habitable land elsewhere. We basically have no idea how to incentivise moving to non-famous towns.
Which countries are good at doing this that we can learn from?
If Australia needs my help, why wouldn't it let me fuckng in?
thats because modernity leads to urbanisation. Every other more spread out country is like it is because they didn't get almost their entire population in the 20th century.
Just make sure it has good communication, that is all.
It’s because only like two percent of your country is livable.
Totally wrong. Currently the land could support 100 million people and once we figure out terraforming we will be able to support about 700 million.
we built two cities out of nothing in the 20th century, can make a national capital so it's full of stable jobs, ottawa, brasilia, canberra
calgary was nothing 100 years ago, but by having the lowest taxes and for a long time low cost of living they got a bunch of companies to move and set up headquarters there
You basically need good river systems and flat land to sustain large population centers. The only such places in abundant are on the east coast, there are already towns small cities established there, and they absolutely have the potential to grow into major cities. No one will help it along tho, because you cant attract people to something that isnt there yet. And even if you build a major city from the ground up, you risk having the problem the Chinese had where no one moves there and you're left with a big ass empty city.
Places like Geeolong and Toowoomba are growing really quickly
housing prices in the capitals does that
Guys, let us in, we will build entire new towns by ourselves. I hate winter.
Show me one Russian town that looks decent
There's no point to build anything at all in Russia by yourself because of corruption. And there's no point to build anything good in Russia by gov. because of corruption.
But look at Russians in any given decent western cunt - they are doing pretty good.
That's the core problem I am getting at. Like, how to get people to move to such cities and make them grow
We really should figure out how to brain drain Russia better. Not many of you here
Actually having basic services in the rural areas would help them grow.
New South Wales was pushing that Evocities stuff, but all of the participating towns were too dumb to realise that without public transport, decent schools, higher education facilities beyond farming, having no work and piss poor healthcare stops people from wanting to move there.
China and Germany do this best (but Chinese copy German model, as do we here)
It requires a reorganization of the national system and more independence to municipalities as well as a nation wide planning effort for years in the future
Germany was building new cities 20 years ago to be filled today
Because it's full of deserts you mong
who would want 700 million australians
These empty Chinese cities are now filling up and their planning paid off
I think the population is going to move back out from cities, as more physical jobs are automated and more and more of the workforce are in jobs which can be done from your computer at home, people will notice that they're paying $2000 per week for a house or flat which is smaller than a bigger and cheaper house in a town a couple hundred kilometres away which probably has the same internet which is all they need for their job. Then even as the next couple of generations grow, the internet will just be all that more and more people actually need for their lives.
jobs.
There's no guarantee that people will move to the new cities.
Better to improve the public transport in the existing ones. Look at Tokyo, for example. It's the second largest city in the world by area, but because of the train system, you can live on the outer rings and still get to the city centre quickly
I live in Toowoomba and its growing really fast. Massive new retail shops and theres a new airport that just opend up 20 mins from town which is going to have a huge tech centre as well.
We don't even need to grow small towns just the ones sitting at the 50k+ mark like Ballarat/Bendigo, the coastal Queensland small cities, Newcastle, Dubbo etc. to spread out the population a bit. Even if its just so property investors and people own lots of shit don't have as much of a hold over everybody.
rivers m8, rivers
You really cant, you can incentivize people to move out to smaller cities on the promise it'll one day be a big, great major city, but its takes such a long time for it develop that no one would be interested.
Literally the only option would be to build another city like Canberra, something not massive, but good enough to support a fair population that can, if it needs, develop into something bigger. All it would need is to sell itself with business start up grants, good infrastructure, good networking/telecommunications and plenty of affordable housing in the form of both houses and apartments and all the young people would move there in a heartbeat . But that also includes the Federal and state governments taking any sort of risk instead of throwing all their money into Sydney or Melbourne which is never gonna happen in our life times.
people move to cities for art exhibitions, sports facilities, theatres, cuisine and lifestyle
plus most jobs in cities are in the service sector anyway, automatisation isn't going to change anything about that
Import SEA immigrants into Northern Australia.
Australianize them, have them take the land from Abbos and within a few decades you'll have a populated north.
That's only about 2 cumshots worth of sperm so I'd say your mums face
I Was speaking about dubbo when I listed all of those bad points about towns, honestly. Haven't been to Towoomba since I was 10 so I don't know about it.
I lived there for 5 years and it was miserable. If you wanted to see a decent doctor you'd have to go to Orange, and theres no link between any towns except for a slow XPT train that runs once each way per day.
Dubbo (and similar towns) won't grow because you're basically stranded if you live there. Couple that with barely functional internet and high crime rate and it's unrealistic to expect it to grow.
People move to cities for jobs more than lifestyle. Especially when the former is literally required for the latter, service jobs become available wherever there's population that needs servicing.
And people's lifestyles change, 20 or 30 years ago if you told someone there could be a sizable chunk of the population that live contently while leaving their house minimally they would have called you mad. Now look at us, and the number of people like this will only grow with every generation as the amount of services via internet grow.
I didn't communicate it well in my first post but I'm not saying that in 50 years the entire population will be perfectly spread out over the country, just that the intensity in which our major cities contain the majority of the population will decrease.
city growth comes from foreign immigrants, doesn't matter how many people move out
only 1/3rd of sydney was born in australia
Or a baby boom
that isn't going happen though because with how modern western society works having kids is economically discouraged
Embrace communism
if we can have automated industry giving people shit without all that chimping out bit that normally comes with it
create more states
divide east australia into many states like america does
baby boom for the nation as a whole sure, but city people generally move out of the city and are replaced by foreigners
That wouldn't work because in every state except Queensland is about 65%+ of the population is in the capital
City people generally don't move out of cities
What happened with Queensland?
It has the most amount of habitable land and other major settlements were needed to be spread out to get the best out of farming it. Plus in recent years they have the extremely successful gold/sunshine coasts which I think are the fastest growing cities in aus.
you should ask brits. these guys were initially good in pupulating your continent
London is an abomination and the exact thing we want to avoid
I don't know why it got so many medium sized cities unlike the rest of Australia when it wasn't settled any earlier. It's got The sunny/gold coast, Ipswich, Toowoomba/Darling Downs, Cairns, Townsville, Mackay , Rockhamton etc. which are all decent sized
Encourage economic development in target towns/cities and people will slowly move there.
Queensland went pretty hard on the mining boom and gold rushes didn't it?
Mackay, Townsville and Rockhampton all looked kind of dead last I went their, like they never adjusted to an economy that didn't involve diggingt.
yeah especially Townsville. Those northern cities need something as well as tourism to keep them afloat. It's crazy how it takes almost 50% longer to get there from Brisbane than Brisbane to Sydney
Probably helped that they had loads of agriculture along the coast that encouraged a fair spread of wealth in small towns with medium sized hub towns. Natural beauty has done the same with tourism, which is spread right up the coast not just in one city.
What's the difference between Australias and Kiwis
Cairns is going okay somehow. Even despite the slander that 7 keeps spewing on the news.
>we obviously have heaps of habitable land elsewhere
Isn't most of Australia a inhabitable wasteland?
>who would want 700 million australians
not serious posters on Jow Forums
Yes. But the areas that aren't are still huge.
I don't think you understand how BIG Australia is
>wanting to destroy the last bastion of australian traditions and culture by importing human trash
t. boomer
The Australian government should sell a part of their land to some Western country that suffers from overcrowding (such as the Netherlands) so that they could create a new functioning society without the burdens of having to exterminate and enslave nignogs or natives (just make sure this area doesn't have abos). Would also be a perfect escape plan for when shit hits the fan; Europeans escape to the newly established Australian utopia and leave arabs turn Europe into another warzone
Fuck off abo there's nothing trashy about Brits
This is the pussiest thing I've ever read. Fight for your ancestral land you sissy.
go to Bacchus Marsh or Melton and see what this shit does to the places. You'd have to a boomer to promote such shit. Bacchus Marsh was a small quiet town only a saros ago. Now look at the place.
Your big but we're still bigger even with Alaska excluded.
Netherlands is going to be under water regardless what they do. Might as well sell them some land.
yeah but with 15x more people
No shit retard. That wasn't the point
We're still sparsely populated
Is life good on Alice Springs?
No. I've honestly absolutely no idea why people still live there
Non-migrants moving from lower populated areas into the big cities is an issue though. Those places stagnate and contribute to further interstate/intercity migration.
Where does its economy even come from? Services for abos?
OP is right. In the future Austraia could split in several countries because of the distance between its population settlements. Australia absolutely needs to build cities between Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide etc.
Having a land border sounds like a horrifically terrible idea for us.