Euroanons, do you embrace pan-Europeanism, or nationalism?

All West European countries are still essentially empires so Western Europeans do embrace it to some extent. Scotland (my motherland) is still occupied by English bastards. What I can say with utmost certainty is if Scotland had more guns and Jesus then things would be different.

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Pic related is a pan-European flag as well. Armed SS had thousands of volunteers from all over the Europe. It was probably the first pan-European armed force as well.

Which only demonstrates that "pan-Europeanism" is a vague, poorly defined concept.
Pan-European by who? What are the policies of this pan-Europeanism? 3rd world unskilled, feral, uneducated useless muslim immigration?? Cripto-communist economy? Non-existent civil liberties? Leftist authoritarian governments who carry out arrests for speech and everyone who doesnt believe in false god of equality, racial equality, ability equality, economic equality, athletic equality, fatness equality, biologically degenerate and disease spreading sexualities equality???

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>da joos

most european countries are as foreign to me as japan so no

No. "Europe" is a meme. I've literally never heard anyone refer to themselves as a "European" irl. It's almost always foreigners that use that term. Pretty much the only things that unite us are football and our mutual dislike of Anericans.

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#AbolishBorders

lol

>I've literally never heard anyone refer to themselves as a "European" irl
There are enough beta nu-males in especially countries like Sweden that say shit like "You know, I feel more European than anything else!" but can't explain what that even means other than "please destroy my national identity, it sucks!".

There is too much gridlock between the member states.

The EU needs to be more integrated and more power needs to be consolidated into Brussels.

>pan-Europeanism

You mean that thing where all our cultures are erased and we get supplanted demographically so there won't be any risk of "separatisms"?

Oh yeah, what a great thing. Such European, much values.

Quit your bitching. Your country would be nothing without EU funding and access to the single market.

Many Germans and Swedes have no problem identifying as European.

I see you're a retarded Brexiter.

The single market mostly serves Germany, that's why they pay the rest to stay, so they can sell us their shit.

And I'd rather be Ukraine-tier than doom my people. Blood over money, you bucket of sewer oil.

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Stop LARPing, Jakub. P*les are gibsniggers who basically worship the EU.

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Old studies.

And when people realize they are meant to be replaced we'll leave. Unlike you limpdicks no nation in Eastern Europe will agree to die out of convenience.

I didn't realize the French hated the EU so much.

Nice cope. Meanwhile, in the real world, people care about jobs, the economy, housing and putting food on the table for their families. The EU has been a HUGE net benefit for Poland, arguably more so than any other country in Europe. Only now are you comfortable enough to pretend otherwise and LARP about ethno-nationalism and the like. Your tune would have been VERY different just 20 years ago.

Don't worry, western Europe will always be fine unlike your shithole.

Also, you'll never leave. The female portion of your population is very pro-EU.

I love people of Europe I hate EU

>The EU has been a HUGE net benefit for Poland, arguably more so than any other country in Europe.

Prove it. Show substantial positive change in gdp growth rate or some other metric. You can't, because there aren't any. We became the subject to regulations that don't favor us.

>Your tune would have been VERY different just 20 years ago.

You can stop projecting now.

We wanted to integrate into the West primarily to get away from Russia, now you want to be the next USSR. kys

>Don't worry, western Europe will always be fine unlike your shithole.

Just like you gonna be okay when you get your own bolivarian constitution, huh? lel

You're going to eat shit.

you're so dumb

no wonder polish jokes exist

Just look at a graph of gdp per capita of Poland and Ukraine.
Starting from about 1990 the graphs show a significant difference.

What do you think made the difference?
Polish intellectuals?

It was market reforms and the subsequent treaties and financal help from the EU/EC.

No

I feel more Westerner than European, first of all because there is Canada that I love very much and then because I don't care about most countries in Europe.

>powerful people 100 years ago said that the future of europe will be mixed race and under a united europe
>mfw its happening today and people still say its merely a coincidence

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>Polish intellectuals

Well there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

Go back to Jow Forums. Low IQ white supremacists are not allowed here.

Nationalism. Both mostly because the EU is a failure.

have you ever been on Jow Forums before

Yes I have. Most of the people posting there are double-digit IQ white nationalist retards.

>Starting from about 1990 the graphs show a significant difference.

And we were admitted to EU when?

What are the measurable benefits of actual membership, you twat? Can't show THAT now can you?

You'll join the rest of Americas in a cycle of crashes and you'll never again know wealth.

>have all the resources
>no external threats
>still manage to tank every 40 years

Welcome to your new normal.

It's not a failure at all. Europe has become much richer because of the single market.

i know it tends to be like that in the anglosphere, but in several european countries it's almost the opposite

>What are the measurable benefits of actual membership, you twat? Can't show THAT now can you?

your women love immigrating to western europe to suck and fuck foreign men. there are literally over a million of them.

In the Netherlands about 2/3 people voted right wing lol.

Economic right is the biggest.
Anti-Islam right second biggest.
Christian right third biggest.

The labour party had 38 / 150 seats in parliament in 2012.
Which dropped to 9 / 150 in 2017.

the communist generals are full of geniuses though yeah

We must forge the European Union into a proper federation and become a democratic world power.

I love the EU but it is not stable enough as of now. Maybe this can be fixed in the future and maybe then we can unify, but not in its current state

>embrace pan-Europeanism
no
>nationalism?
yes

I agree, they are geniuses considering most of them are trolls that easily trigger the white nationalist retards,

Poland signed it's first trade treaty with the EC in 1989 and subsequently started getting financial help.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason you're better off than Ukrainians is not Polish superiority, you just bet on the right horse.

Pan Europeanism can only work as a form of white nationalism so no I don't support it.

"""right""" Probably just globalists calling themselves right like Britain's Tory party. Unless they're racist nationalists who want to kick out all the foreigners they aren't right wing by Jow Forums standards.

A bit of both, I just want european nations to be strong enough so that foreign powers cant pit them against one another. Also to resist american cultural and financial influence. Not getting caught in their upcoming nuclear war with china or russia is a nice bonus too

>Also to resist american cultural and financial influence.

What's bad about American cultural/financial influence?

Financial help in what volume.

Also Ukraine is an outlier to every other country in the region. Trying to say we'd be on the same level is such a dishonest propagandist position to take it very much shows what a snake you are.

>Unless they're racist nationalists who want to kick out all the foreigners
that's the second biggest party he mentioned

Oh look. Another dolt from the Brexit campaign.

Your society in its current state is a borderline dystopia

Geert Wilders doesn't want to kick out all foriengers though. He just wants to "ban Islam" and maybe deport some the recent 2015 refugees but that's it. Niggers, North Africans, and everyone else who have arrived over the past few decades and especially the ones born in Netherlands are going to get to stay. They're not going to implement ethnic nationalism, that is still forbidden in European politics.

Not at all. Our country is much better off than yours.

Also, your shithole would collapse if it wasn't bailed out by northwestern European countries.

Well, our Prime Minister is mostly just talk. He did deport the Turkish minister before the elections. Said he would bomb returning jihadi's with F16's before allowing them to return here. Proposed in the EU to reject all illegal migrants. And was actually convicted of discriminating Somalians once.

But normally he's pretty much only interested in creating a smaller government. And the rest just seems to be election rhetoric.

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Actually, Wilders wants to take the Dutch nationality of everyone with a double nationality who committed a crime.
The only people with a double nationality are Turks and Moroccans. And more than half of the male Moroccans has been suspected of a crime once.

I embrace a pan-European trade deal, like what we had 20 years ago. But we are too different to become the United States of Europe like some retards in Brussels want.

Ah of course. The typical racist anti-American and anti-Semitic meme.

I realize your IQ is really low, but the white nationalists don't even consider Greeks white.

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A new idea of his.

nltimes.nl/2018/04/09/wilders-wants-dutch-dual-nationality-lose-voting-right

Does every single one of them have double citizenship of their original countries though? I doubt it. Especially third or later generations. Also what about the tons that don't even have their papers? Plenty of the niggers came from failed states that don't really even have governments.

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You two. Back to Jow Forums.

You need a triple digit IQ to post here.

They do. And for many children of migrants its even our own governments fault.

Every descendant of a Turk or Moroccan gets their Turkish or Moroccan nationality handed to them by those countries. Because the Turkish and Moroccan governments enjoy the free gibs that migrants send back home to their families.

In theory the migrants would have to report themselves to the Turkish or Moroccan embassy to get it. Because how else would they know someone is Turkish or Moroccan?
Well, it turns out our cities, who register every citizen, reported Turkish and Moroccan children to their old countries as a free service and often without even asking them themselves.

rent free

Fuck off moron, big time coming that from a Country being grabbed by the balls by the Chinese, due to your inflation rates your whole debt is owned by China you ignorant fool, also better live in a country which is not addicted to gun ownership and allows children to be massacred at schools.
You don't even have a decent Public education, i bet most of you haven't even stepped into a University, go ahead and worship your warmongering mutt leader instead of forming a decent opinion first.

What about those who aren't Turkish or Moroccan? There is plenty third worlders to go around.

Only pan-Napoleonism will succeed

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we can't literally have a fucking government because of the EU

They usually don't have a double nationality. But they aren't a big issue here either.
The biggest migrant groups are Germans, Indonesians (native Dutch speakers), Surinamese (native Dutch speakers), Dutch Carribean people (native Dutch speakers), Turks and Moroccans and Poles.

And people only hate Turks, Moroccans and (to a much lesser extend) Poles. The rest of the migrants aren't an issue due to their small numbers.

>And people only hate Turks, Moroccans and (to a much lesser extend) Poles. The rest of the migrants aren't an issue due to their small numbers.
Still non-whites polluting the place.

The Party for Freedom is an anti-Islam party. Not an anti non-whites party. This is the English version of the ad they ran on television during the last elections.

youtube.com/watch?v=BPCwOEDkbwg

Which is my point. They aren't really racist nationalists. Only ethnic Dutch have a right to live in Netherlands. Other Europeans are the only acceptable foreigners.

>Only ethnic Dutch have a right to live in Netherlands
lol, you can't sell that here. We consider Dutch speaking migrants our own.
We actually have a nazi party participating in some local city elections sometimes and they never get any votes. But even they wouldn't agree with that.

>lol, you can't sell that here. We consider Dutch speaking migrants our own.
>We actually have a nazi party participating in some local city elections sometimes and they never get any votes. But even they wouldn't agree with that.
Exactly what I mean. Forbidden

I think it has more to do with our cultural mindset. This country was founded on the principles of freedom, which is still deeply ingrained in the culture. And Dutch people have a very imperialistic mindset for historic reasons. Other nations and peoples can become ours.

If we had the military means we'd unironically be invading other countries.

Even recently after MH17 the Dutch parliament called for an invasion of Ukraine lol. But the government rejected it.

But now it's mostly done through businesses. And to a lesser extend the EU.

If there is no blood, than it's just a foreign race.

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>germany
>that low

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Our country was founded by several Germanic states. Frisians and Limburgers look physically different. Just like our catholic south and protestant north. But what unites them is the nation.

The nation goes above religion, race and political differences. And in practice you also see that with Aruba, Curacao and such that are part of our Kingdom.

>tp
>tf
Ustaše should have finished the job

>Our country was founded by several Germanic states. Frisians and Limburgers look physically different.
Barely. At least compared to non-Europeans. How you lot went from that to allowing negroes, gooks, and other assorted vermin being acceptable I'll never know.

The US and Poland had comparable unemployment rates in the past decade with the US currently being lower. It's a global economy, any event will affect the rest of it. Regardless, the economy tanks and comes back up as most economies do since infinite growth isn't feasible or realistic. Poland is on a constant growth because there still is plenty of room to develop and grow it further in Poland.

Poland's growth, though, isn't solely due to the EU. Economic policies that remained very liberal are attractive to companies, combined with EU participation that makes it easier for other European-based companies to make investments, have contributed to the growth. Combine that with the fact that the polish sloty or whatever your currency is kept poland competitive while the euro suffered in the late 2000s economic crisis. You also have to take into consideration the post-Soviet boom where industries reverted to private ownership from state ownership which naturally would help with a boom in growth. Poland, economically, would stand alone fairly well unless there's a EU-sponsored boycott with member states to "punish" Poland from going more independent. It'd still be in a military alliance regardless so security towards Russia wouldn't be a detriment either.

It's literally the Nazi's fault that non-whites are allowed into the country. Before WW2 there were strict policies in place that basically came down to racial migration policies.

The Germans let Japan invade Indonesia. Which resulted in Dutch people having to be put into camps. After WW2 we tried to restore order (in a bloody military conflict), but it was futile as the world (read the USA) demanded we stopped the war. So we did.

After Indonesia's independence there was a lot of violence and chaos in Indonesia, so we had to pull the Dutch people and Indonesians who were in our army back to the Netherlands. This went well. Indonesians are actually much less criminal than native Dutch people. And that basically started it all.

During the independence of Suriname we also pulled Dutch people back again. And allowed people to pick where they would live. Which also went fairly well.

And then the right wing got Turks and Moroccan here as seasonal workers. But when the left wing came to power they were granted citizenship. That experiment failed and since then no other random foreigners were let in anymore.

And now we have open borders with Poles, Romanians and so on. And apparently also open borders with Syria if I have to believe the EU.

After we were gone Indonesians even started killing themselves.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965–1966

>low IQ white supremacist
>use the same argument Jow Forums use but reverse
lmao

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