Native American Population:

That's doubtful and full of speculation.

Indian population expanded under Iberian civilization.

and no americans

The numbers OP is citing are obviously bullshit, but you know good and well this is an absolute lie.

Disease killed tens of millions of Indians

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100% pure native american

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>3 million
That's 0.9% of the population.

Is fucking more a crime?

>American genocide deniars
Absolutely disgusting.

If you honestly believe 500 Iberians killed millions of amerindians you either are a liar or a gullible idiot.

The disease brought by 500 iberians killed millions

So?
What percent of German population are pre-Indo-European migration peoples?
Or even better Neanthertals?

Nobody is denying that the Indians got fucked. But claiming that we genocided them or some shit is an out-right lie.

Fuck off and fuck that stupid fucking bitch.
She does nothing but harm for the Cherokee nation, and indians at large.
She wasn't even proven to be Cherokee.

census.gov/history/pdf/c2010br-10.pdf

And you're a historicall illiterate baboon if you think it was only 500 Iberians that were fighting.

Oh fuck off. We did some dirty shit, but it was not a fucking genocide. The ONLY thing that can be considered genocide is what c*lifornia did.

>census.gov/history/pdf/c2010br-10.pdf
wrong source

web.archive.org/web/20120518001125/http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061131901&srvc=home&position=comment

Didn't Americans intentionally spread disease or was that the Canadians?

I never really knew what Americans think about the brutal genocide of the natives. Apparently they deny it. My respect for these people shrinks day by day.

t. Holocaust maker

we did, but it was only during war time (French-Indian War)
it was basically chemical warfare.

It was mainly Algonquin, Lenape, Ojibwa, Ottawa, Shawnee and Wyandot tribes.
Not really trying to justify it, but it wasn't out of malice. They were a genuine security concern and needed to be dealt with.

Sure but Europeans destroyed a continent that could have been reach with these architecture and culture.
Do you see any more building likr pic related? No.
Also Spanish and Portuguese are still dominant languages in the Americas which doesn't help.

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Your country litreally dislocated them and kicked them from their land and forced them to travel West of the US. Even if it's not considered a genecide (which is actually is) you've done a great harm to them

Yeah, they caught literally all of the diseases at once. Your point?

Actual Indigenous here, AMA.

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95% died from diseases not by European hands.

can you come to canada without a passport?

By the time that was happening, accidental disease spreading had already slaughtered 90% of them. By the French and Indian war/Seven Years Wars, Northern North America was a post apocalypse zone. The earliest English settlers describe that at night time, Indian campfires lit up the horizon...then they all died, and all that wood stopped being burned, which immediately dropped Co2 in the atmosphere worldwide. The plagues went beyond the Appalachian range and all throughout the Mississippi within a few decades once they got started.

Northern Native tribes were never able to recover their population fast enough before the English colonies outnumbered them by 1750. Same thing would have happened in South and Central America had Spain/Portugal made a successful attempt at colonization and not bred the most bastardized race ever seen.

Yeah the Gold Rushing Californians took 500,000 Indians and reduced them to 10,000 in like a decade.

In theory yes, but I've driven from Washington State to British Columbia several times and the Canadian side never asked to see it. They usually just ask if I have a license then wave me through. US border control have only asked once.

I'm a brown dude in a Mercedes with US plates, they probably just assume i'm some American Pajeet techie.

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Life is brutal. The amount of superbugs popping up scares the shit out of me.

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they know your plates and you car was not reported as stole. additionaly your mugface is well known to database due your crossed the line more than once already.

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Are you RUSSIAN?

wtf? I hate whites still!

Most """native americans""" from the US are not even half native, some of them are 1/16th or some shit and are still considered native american, I can't help but see that as a poor attempt to cover up their genocide, if they counted only full blooded natives then everyone would know that there are barely any left, if any. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a single native tribe in the US that has a full blooded majority. (Also, checked those quints)

>We did some dirty shit, but it was not a fucking genocide
So deliberately killing buffaloes to cause famines, deliberately spreading disease, forceful relocation, boarding schools, massacres and sterilizations don't count as genocide?

nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/543.html
>PInkerton-Uri’s research indicated that the Indian Health Service had “singled out full-blooded Indian women for sterilization procedures.”

Not to mention that they're the most marginalized minority in the US yet they barely get any attention.

a shame, languages and cultures obliterated never to known again
though, probably 80-90% of those died from disease brought by the spanish and the remaining died from the ensuing societal collapse and the slavery/colonization from the euro powers

probably the only civs I'm interested out of those though are the Chimu, Mayans, Incas, Aztecs, and Chachapoyas though

>"You will do well to try to inoculate the Indians, by means of blankets, as well as to try every other method that can serve to extirpate this execrable race." — Jeffery Amherst[12]

Bio warfare.

#Tвopчecтвo_дyшeвнoбoльных

why? muh big buildings?

There are many interesting cultures, Mapuches for instance were never conquered, they had a unique political organization, (some claim is the closest to anarchism.)

There are more than 20 million natives in Mexico again.

>Shut the fuck up you stupid bitch. The US Indian population is nearly 3 million per the US census, and this, I assume, doesn't include people that can claim ancestry, but choose to don't such as me

You know that people can reproduce, right?

do natives in latin america feel any sort of connection natives up here?
most here dont really know that mexicans are natives, for some reason

From 1900 to 2018... 118 years. Brazilian populaton grew up 20 times since 1900

Guys I won't blame europeans for what they did since to be fair we would have done the same to them if given the chance, since only the strong survives, but holy shit how can you(usa) say with a straight face that you have always fight for freedom and all your bullshit, when you actually and different to spain did use bioweapons against the natives, it's really very hypocrital and you still respect niggers more than them.

>to be fair we would have done the same to them

Talk for yourself.

Not even aztecs were that evil.

I-I-Is god punishing all Europeans and their descendants for this?

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Dude aztecs destroyed enemies coded and usually erased any history of them, I'm not blaming them it's just normal human behavior, it's been like that since forever and just now that we have achieved a "peace period" it's that we try to follow some moral code.

>Mexicans accuse us of being savages

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Probably, it would also explain why the jews always end up being expelled or straight up genocided for their bullshit.

destroyed enemies coded? What do you mean?

Tainos could have burned Columbus and that 3 ships , instead they were total bros, giving them food , information, and whatnot.... Just to be wiped years later. And get your facts straight, there were many peaceful bro-tier cultures like the guaranis.

I don't think so, most of them are poor as fuck living rural lifes in their own little towns, wearing their own traditional clothes, eating their own traditional food, many being bilingual (speaking 1 of the 68 languages we have + Spanish) with their own laws (usos y costumbres) that allows them to keep living like we were still in the XVI century. With rich hipsters saying nothing of it because they look "cute" and "authentic" and "traditional"... and poor as fuck...
Others are so well integrated in our mainstream society, living urban lifes like everyone else, with people thinking they are just very dark looking mestizos (these ones don't appear in our census if they don't mark they are native i.e. still living like natives, because our census is cultural, not race-obsessed). And most of them don't feel a strong connection with natives from different regions within Mexico, let alone other countries, being instead much more preoccupied trying to live their own lives instead of wasting their time thinking in other countries. Also, Mayans and Puerepechas get particularly offended if you imply they are Aztecs, for instance. Zapotecs think they are Zapotec, Mixtecs think of themselves as Mixtecs, Huichols as Huichols, Raramuris like Raramuris, etc. etc.

>blaming the USA for Amherst
Fucking christ. Do you know who was Commander in Chief of the British forces fighting AGAINST us in the Revolutionary War?

I'll give you a hint: it was him. He was our prime enemy second only to the king. Amherst is the shame of the UK and Canada, not us. If he were ours, he would have rebelled with us.

Of course there were many friendly tribes, and even montezuma and atahualpa were friendly at first, but it doesn't change the fact that they did dirty shit too when they had to, the thing was that they understimated the europeans and thought that they would fight "right" but it didn't happen and that's why they lost, spanish did a lot of dirty shit to win, it might be wrong and in fact it is, but it's truly the only way to succes.

quite odd to think that natives down south there dont even feel any connection to their own neighbouring tribe. my historical knowledge of native mexicans is piss poor, but I'm guessing you guess didn't really do too much, if not, as much damage to the native population in mexico than up here. because, natives in Canada here seem to have a strong connection to one another, despite one being from coastal BC tsimshian, to plains Cree, too mohawk in quebec.
I guess it was more of a common enemy kinda thing, that united natives here via residential schools, reserve life, etc.
like, I went from my rez in alberta, to one in BC knowing no one, yet we get along pretty well

Anyone else here a Tlingitboo. Natives getting fucked all across the Americas is sad, but fuck do I wish the Northwest Pacific remained untouched. Northwest Pacific art on the surface level reminds me of some paleo-siberian cultures (mostly Ainus) but is obviously very distinct. And I mean totem poles are just fucking great. It just works so well with the geographic scenery, makes me wanna be a hippy.

>tfw will never be able to travel alongside the coast of the pacific northwest, taking in the amazing scenery when suddenly encounters a native settlement.
>they might turn me into a slave but worth it to experience their culture.

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In 600 years? they were heading to a brutal war that could last 200 years.
Atahualpa vs Huascar
the victor vs upset/slave tribes
winner vs mapuches
Incas or mapuche/aymara confederation vs Colombia
Inca/Aymara confed vs central America
Aztec invasion thanks to obsidian and elite warriors

> one empire conquered another empire centuries ago
> REEEEEEEEEE GENOCIDE
lel no that's not genocide, that's a war of conquest. Genocide is a centralised and organised attempt to destroy a people because they're that people. When Romans conquered Alesia and destroyed the gaulish culture, they were conquering them, not genociding them. When they btfo the Ambrones it's debatable. Genocide was only standard operating procedure in 1800-1950.

You have never heard about Las Casas, right.

Of couse not... BR educational system

The northern territories have a kick ass metal scene going on, check it out
youtube.com/watch?v=dAflHne54fA

You should check out John R. Jewitt. He was a slave for King Maquinna, who in turn was one of the crucial actors in resolving a standoff between the Empire of New Spain and the British Empire. Interesting time period. Gets covered up a lot by the Canadian gov. so they can teach boring shit like the fur trade, but if you're willing to dig into it a bit you can find a lot.

Coast Salish culture is alive here. If you cross over to BC, you'll see a lot of totem poles and Salish art everywhere. British Colombians make a big deal out of it (one of the worlds great civilizations after all). Doesn't seem to be the case south of the border though, only indian stuff I ever see there is that one statue of a plains indian looking stoic, you know the one. Pre-Columbian history is hard to come by however, all the stuff I know about it comes from word of mouth and I've yet to find any decent written sources. Although, again, the Canadian establishment suppresses that stuff, and I'm just an interested white guy so I don't have my finger on the pulse so to speak.

Recently the nation near my hometown negotiated autonomous self rule. Legally it's all very interesting, they've implemented their own constitution which guarantees (among other things) a basic right to property/housing. Given that natives are one of the only demographics with a positive growth rate, this could eventually (given a few hundred years) lead to a confederacy of semi-autonomous principalities and republics. I've yet to take the time to read the specifics of the different treaties, but it seems like if a nation were to establish an offshore banking institution catering to wealthy people in Canada and the USA they could stand to make a lot of money. There's a lot of political experimentation going on right now, on very small scales, and it's a fascinating time to be alive.

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Is that an Arab post ?

Being savage is bad strategy I see.

Oh yeah, I'm aware cultures are beginning to thrive in some places. I was dreaming of something like a precolumbian village.

I've heard that in Alaska Northwest Pacific cultures are in better conditions, but I don't know for sure since I live nowhere near the Northwest.

But what you mentioned about the self autonomy is very interesting. What's the name of the nation? I'm curious if anything's been said about the status of their language in this new system. This might lead to something big for language revitalization. I mean I've read about the success of Navajo and Mohawk, young people are very enthusiastic about embracing it and they're deriving new words like crazy (which kinda pisses off older native speakers). So it's like a wet dream if a language actually gets used in administration, it would do wonders for revitalization efforts.

If you want to see niggers living in mud huts, go to some rural shithole in Africa. Lots of dirt poor black people there living in total poverty to satisfy your weird fantasies. I guarantee you that natives in Alaska have lights, running water, televisions, have seen white people before, speak english and so on.

There's plenty of Amish communities on the East Coast as well living like it's still the 18th century. You might want to look into those. Be careful taking pictures of them though, you might get killed for practicing witchcraft.

el goblino rudo....

Get rekt sudacas

The natives of the Pacific Northwest do have some pretty awesome art.

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Wow it's almost as if God said, "you know what? I'm going to do the world a favor for once and rid this continent of subhumans so that the White man can have it." It's too bad that Satan controls the Earth and now he's pulling evolution back.

Yeah lol I wish Australia was never colonized, it would be like Wakanda an shiet XD

>The northern territories have a kick ass metal scene going on, check it out

>links video from 2012 to song that is mildly entertaining 70s metal/stoner metal written by these guys youtube.com/watch?v=fTLbImzECq4 (pic related)

native injuns, everyone.

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inuit=/=natives
also, pretty sure hes describing an old traditional story. Many cultures around the world have myths regarding travelling to the moon

yeah but the thing is this retard (all mystics are retards who belong in a different century) seems to actually believe it

>inuit=/=natives
explain the different factions of injuns, please

So, Jow Forums... which tribe do I subjugate in my genocide simulator?

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from indigenous and northern affairs Canada FAQ web page
>First Nations are those peoples who historically lived in North America, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, below the Arctic. Inuit historically lived along the coastal edge and on the islands of Canada’s far north.
>It is important to remember that First Nations, Inuit and Métis each have their own culture, based largely on the environment they traditionally inhabited
TL;DR natives lived here since the ice age, inuit at least over a millennium.

give the guy a break, probably just an old dude. at least he's saying something relevant to his culture. unlike niggers who believe "we wuz kangz", and steal other cultures achievements and such

being isolated from the rest of humanity will do that to civilisations

not much livestock, little resistance to diseases, lack of trade/contact with Eurasia, first prolonged contact with europeans occuring at a time when europeans were centuries ahead in technology and experiencing a population boom. they were so incomprehensibly doomed from the start, it's tragic. credit where credit's due though, some of the civilisations were very advanced considering their isolation from the rest of mankind.

It would be even shittier than Africa

UUUU

I've clearly said "the Americas" you dumb mutt.

Ah yeah because it is not bad at all right now, right, future Spanish speaking country?

Have a rare photo of albine native americans
They are redheads for some reason

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