"if we bomb pearl harbour we will lose the war"

Pacific is irrelevant in itself when your country is a satellite. The entire point of the pacific islands was to decide who controlled it and the trade that passed there; i.e. they were only meant to be a battleground. Korea, Manchuria and parts of China were colonies; the juicy part of the cake.

That's a meme. You wouldn't interfere with literally every event in the far east since WW1 if you were isolationist. That only applied to european affairs.

Japan imported most of its oil from conquered territories, primarily the Dutch East Indies (aka Indonesia) but also smaller amounts came from Formosa (Taiwan), China, and Burma.

They were colonies but the real thing that the Japs needed was oil, and as long as they had the Pacific they could get that.

And rice imports I think?

Niggasaki.

They needed oil to keep their empire together. The US factually presented an ultimatum: either surrender your empire or fight for it. They chose the latter.

Yeah we stopped being isolationist after WWII
Blame the nips

And they needed the empire for oil and other imports. After the demographic explosion they became dependent on the outside world

Please stop, nobody is buying it. We know this is partof your little national narrative but it just won't fly here.

Factionalism. He was in the wrong gang of eminent senior leaders.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine–American_War

No, you stopped being isolationist because you had enough of your isolationism and it actively participating in world affairs became far better. America was rich after WW1 and WW2, but the real thing was the petrodollar; it made you filthy rich and it was frankly obvious by then. That's the reason you embargoed Japan in the first place in 1940, to secure far eastern oil for yourself first and eliminate possible competitors. Same goes for decolonization. You didn't fight the UK and France: they WILLINGLY surrendered their empire, probably didn't want to get nuked.

American isolationism is the biggest meme ever. It is only good when it's profitable and the reason it ended was because it wasn't as profitable anymore.

Exactly. The war was about self-sufficiency, having own economic empire or being a part of another.

he was pretty senior having served in the russo japan war
it's just japanese naval doctrine is super conservative, and he was a gambler

>If we bomb our enemy, they win

they didn't willingly surrender it, there were many wars, you just don't remember them

they had no money to keep the army they had prewar

>he was pretty senior having served in the russo japan war
And had icy relations with the ruling clique.

>there were many wars
To replace the commies who took over the countries and claim them as your own?

What wars? Decolonization happened because big uncle sam said so and it made these aleready-dependent former metropolies even more dependent on US aid.

The last attempt to keep relevance by said powers was the suez crisis, which was thwarted by who? Yeah, you. No competitors, no competition, one currency you can infinitely print, infinite wealth. That's it.

they should've deposed tojo desu

tojo came after

To what end? Government is one thing, national intrests are another

What are you even about

algeria, zimbabwe, etc

I'm not very educated on Algeria but I don't thing it had much oil or other important resources; Zimbabwe was just resistance by locals, the UK government in fact complied with your demand to end white rule there.

Anything would've been better than getting nuked and sucking America's cock

Perhaps keeping whatever territorial gains you have, stop expanding, and making some truces with neighbours like Russia?

>Korea for sure
not really.
japan taking korea and america taking the philippines was a mutually agreed matter which had nothing to do with ww2.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft–Katsura_agreement

they wanted japan not to gain more clay like northern china. manchuria was in a gray area, but the invasion of northern china and french indochina were the decisive events. probably, had it not been for those, the war in the pacific wouldn't have occurred. of course it doesn't mean america was a good samaritan who cared about the plight of the chinese, but they worried about the shadow of a looming super empire that would have owned the large part of asia-pacific and cashed in on the opportunity to crush it before it was too late. had japan combined and organized those areas, it would have been really unstoppable.

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You don't seem to get it
They had an option to either voluntarily take american cock up their ass or be raped, they were raped thus
Same happened to UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands - every colonial power

Only reason USSR wasn't split and destroyed is because they had nukes. If they didn't, they couldn't match raw strenght of american military.

In the end, it'd be all the same. Perhaps you'd still rule Korea, but would be slaves to the US economy wise.

a bit of voluntary american cock is better than being raped like an indian girl

they could've kept a little empire to themselves

Well? I'd be better a poor but independent rusky (i'm not but getting there so far) than literally anyone in american sphere of influence, considering 'what' their infulence generally brings.

burning villages and shooting the chinese is a bad way to muster up support in a colony

how so? in reality, this area which is almost equal to the core of what imperial japan envisaged alone has an economy as large as america's, and by expanding it southwards more peacefully as EU does, it would have been by far the largest economic entity on earth, meaning that it's a hegemonic economy slave to nothing. and modern american economic hegemony relies on the position of dollar as the key currency as a result of the ww2.

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I don't really think americans would allow that to happen. They would either force a war in some way or just continously undermine that empire over the years; that is, if you didn't have nukes by then. And you'd still need oil, in case of such cold war style confrontation where would you get it if they wouldn't sell? From USSR?

I'm bit tired and not really capable of thinking right now, was working in the garden so pardon me for such a short answer.

>No one listens to him
Nigger, he's the one who INSISTED on Pearl Harbor going through, to the point of threatening to step down if it didn't. Japan went full retard during WW2, basically like Churchill went in WW1.

No matter how respected the dude is, if everyone else has different opinion or that he doesn't decide no on cares
Same here when Pétain said we should have a fast motorized force and air force instead of static defenses, even if many respected him and agreed the minister of the war still told him to stfu and made the Maginot line

I almost feel bad we went around it. All that effort of building it for nothing

The German and Japanese leaders of WW2 were such fucking retards. Both countries had already a lot of territory (Austria, Czechia for Germany and Korea & Taiwan for Japan) without war, but they had to fuck it up by being too greedy. Even when they already started the war, which was dumb from the beginning, they could have probably gotten away with it before the attacks on the US and the USSR respectively. Japan would've been forced to pull out of China, and Germany would have had to make some further arrangement with Stalin, but the gamble that followed was clearly the worse choice.

that's true. we were a tad too short tempered back then.

You didn't really go around it but through. The alsatian line was just the most fortificated part of the line, to force you to come through Belgium

Why wasn't it equally fortified? Did they really think Germans would respect belgium?

The French did expect an attack through Belgium, which is why they fortified the Franco-German border heavily and concentrated their army at the border with Belgium. Once the German army attacked the Netherlands and Belgium the French and British armies went northwards into Belgium to counter the German advance. However a large German force now pushed through the Ardennes, something the Allies didn't think was possible, and the bulk of the Allied forces was thus encircled.

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