We fired our guns and the British kept a-coming

>But then there's also the war of 1812
>Where we had no foreign help
You mean that time when we were focused by a serious war with a serious country across the ocean, while you tried and failed to steal Canada, and we still managed to burn down the White House, which you somehow consider to be a "draw" because you 'succeeded' in a war goal (impressment) by virtue of the fact that it ceased to be a thing totally on its own, and because you won some battle after the war was basically over with?

That's a really bad example m8

You invaded while britain was occupied fighting napoleon in the biggest european war to the fucking date and even then a bunch of militias and fucking natives stopped your advance and were pushing you back. When britain finally joined with a nation and army tired from a long war they forced pushed into the united states and stalemated you on your own territory

Don't waste your time, Yanks live in this bizarre little world of their own about that conflict. It's Japan-tier desu.

Tfw Americans invade Canada and set the capital of York on fire but then get mad at you for a british expeditionary force burning thw whitehouse.

>The largest and most highly trained army
I love how yanks give themselves more importance by modifying some small details that nobody will doubt
We should do the same desu

What would Americans consider a British victory in the War of 1812 to look like? Retaking the entire USA with about ten people on a whim?
How come repelling you in a war that you declared on us, embarrassing you in your own territory and literally setting your capital on fire while we were off righting a real war somewhere else, making you fail your attempted annexation of our territory, ending the impressment of American sailors ourselves because we simply didn't want or need to do it anymore, and ending a war that we didn't start and had no real serious war aims in with no real loss to ourselves, doesn't count as an effective (but ultimately minor) victory on our side? I honestly don't understand, I'm not even baiting.
It doesn't look very much like a draw. It would only have been a real "draw" if, say, the Americans had sailed up the Thames and set the houses of parliament on fire.

We literally don't even learn about the war because we don't even realise it exists, it's so trivial in our own history but you seem to fixate on it. I'm convinced the whole "draw" thing is just a matter of denial.

Fuck senpai, they failed the annexation before the main british force even arrived. Stopped by a bunch of half assed militia and some natives.

American history texts through the 19th century generally always considered the War of 1812 to be a US victory. It's considered a draw since the 20th century though.

>American history texts through the 19th century generally always considered the War of 1812 to be a US victory
That's not even "Japan-tier", that's North Korea tier.

>Don't waste your time, Yanks live in this bizarre little world of their own about that conflict.

To be fair, it's not as if Canadians are better.

>It would only have been a real "draw" if, say, the Americans had sailed up the Thames and set the houses of parliament on fire
It's considered a draw because we got our butts whooped but suffered no real consequence
If at the Treaty of Ghent we were forced to concede land, territorial claims, or reparations for damages caused we would've considered it a loss

The Duke of Wellington argued that Britain ultimately couldn't win the war or defeat the US outright; they'd just get swallowed up in the endless American wilderness.

One of the important consequences of the war was that the US was accepted by the European states as a legitimate power and not a bunch of renegade colonies. The war fostered a growing sense of American nationalism and a desire to establish a separate culture and identity from Europe.

After the war, you could see things like Webster's Dictionary that codified American English and there was a general move to reduce British cultural influences in American society.

>After the war, you could see things like Webster's Dictionary that codified American English and there was a general move to reduce British cultural influences in American society.

>declare war on us
>be basically unsuccessful
>try to purge your country of everything to do with us
this is what the argies did after the falklands

It also birthed Canadian nationalism which hadn't really existed before.

It was because all the supporters of France during the Napoleonic war, i.e. the ones who started the assblast of 1812, were so soundly humiliated politically and militarily that they tried to scrub off any connection to Britain in spite

But to be fair the US had been slowly attempting to distance themselves from Great Britain during and after the Revolutionary War

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Plus American history texts started emerging and a nascent literary scene while before the War of 1812, most such books were just imported from Britain. Washington Irving was the first major American writer and historian, and his novels recognized as the first true American literary works.

>One of the important consequences of the war was that the US was accepted by the European states as a legitimate power and not a bunch of renegade colonies
The Monroe Doctrine was probably the earliest manifestation of this. Declaring that we would not allow European imperial ventures in the Western Hemisphere was an extremely bold move that spoke of a growing American self-confidence even if we didn't yet have any ability to enforce it.

Here's the interesting part about that. Canadians were really upset about the Treaty of Ghent because the US and Britain agreed to demilitarize the border. They thought that London had betrayed them and left them exposed to future US invasions.

The invasion of Canada mostly failed because of the extremely poor strategy undertaken. The correct move would have been to concentrate everyone to invade Quebec and cut off the main road connecting the interior to the port of Quebec City, Canada's main link to the outside world. However, the US army launched a three pronged invasion which could not possibly work.

Although the US had almost 4 million men of military age in 1812, somehow it was never possible to get more than 7000 of them onto the battlefield at any point. The small regular army performed well, but militia and volunteer troops were almost useless.

>sit on your ass fearing counterattacks that never come while Washington is scrambling to assemble a semi-functional army or secure funding for basic clothing and food
>THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO THERE WAS TOO MUCH FOREST WOOOOOOW

Leafs buy hard into the militia myth (which is half true) and about who burned the White House but I can't think of anything else really

It also brought about the final doom of the Federalist Party who were seen as traitors for their Anglophile stance, although in fact Federalist stronghold Massachusetts contributed more volunteers to the US military effort than did Democratic-Republican Virginia.

What would those people think of the modern America?

In my experience, Canadians are far more obsessed about the War of 1812 than Americans. They had a big celebration in 2012 to commemorate the 200th anniversary of the war and it's some important part of their national identity.

>be British
>try to burn down the white house
>didn't burn it down all the way
>say we did anyway
>war of 1812 ends in a treaty
>say we won anyway

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>What would those people think of the modern America

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As one other plus, in 1818, Britain ceded the Mesabi Range in what's now Minnesota as part of a border treaty with the US and to their later dismay it turned out to have huge iron ore deposits in it.

By the 1820s, there was a growing if still minority of people who began to think of themselves as Americans rather than simply citizens of their state.

i'm sure there is a joke about bitcoin and Jow Forums in there

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Considering the war was still very much on at the battle of New Orleans since no word of the peace agreement had actually come, and Jackson absolutely fucking mangled the British regulars there, perhaps you could understand why people might look at one of the most decisive defeats of the British military within a century of the time followed very closely by a peace treaty and end up thinking, "We won that war."

It's kind of like the guy who gets the shit beat out of him, lands a solid hit at the last second, and then the fight gets broken up. All anyone is going to remember is that last punch that "turned the tied".

Pretty much the Battle of New Orleans.

The Royal Navy never lost an engagement between the War of the Spanish Succession and WWI, almost 200 years, except during the War of 1812.

But then the Bongs claimed we cheated because our frigates had too many guns and weren't really frigates.

>One of the important consequences of the war
One of the important consequences of the Battle of New Orleans*.

The war meant fucked all and would have meant fuck all. The singular event that became a national occurrence was the Battle of New Orleans. Had it not happened - hell, if it had been a victory but not such a lopsided one, the American movement and the foundation of our national identity would have been postponed by arguably decades.

>try to steal your neighbour's property while he's away because you're mad about the shit he does
>he sets your house on fire and burns it down
>b-but you didn't burn it down all the way y-you're pathetic

I mean, we don't say "we won". If anything, you lot tend to (and definitely did used to) say that you won. We on the other hand virtually never ever talk about it.
You've got nearly everything backwards you dumb ignorant animefag retard.

The whole romantic myth of the Battle of New Orleans stems from how Andrew Jackson's army was a ragtag bunch of militia, frontiersmen, and pirates who had just gotten done crushing Indians in what's now Alabama and Mississippi and then came south into New Orleans and routed the British regulars, also killing their commanding general in the battle.

user did you seriously try to make this post, quickly delete it, and then remake it again around 50 minutes later

also why the fuck are you spamming the thread with these sentence-long posts. why not put it all in one post? common sense lad

>>try to burn down the white house
>>didn't burn it down all the way
oh you got us

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just trying to save face

Anglo-US relations remained tenuous through the 19th century which was probably why historians of that time wrote of the the war a victory; since they used it as a patriotic rallying cry. By the start of the 20th century, there was no longer any chance of a war with Britain happening so then they just started saying the War of 1812 was a stalemate (more accurate desu).

No but as late as the 1930s US military planners were still discussing scenarios like what would happen if we went to war with Britain and they zerg-rushed us through Canada.

I really wish we had waited longer to try and take Canada. As early as 1865 it would basically be impossible for Britain to defend it.

>I really wish we had waited longer to try and take Canada. As early as 1865 it would basically be impossible for Britain to defend it.
Cecil Rhodes had a better, grander vision

>Rhodes wanted to make the British Empire a superpower in which all of the British-dominated countries in the empire, including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Cape Colony, would be represented in the British Parliament. Rhodes included American students as eligible for the Rhodes scholarships. He said that he wanted to breed an American elite of philosopher-kings who would have the United States rejoin the British Empire. As Rhodes also respected and admired the Germans and their Kaiser, he allowed German students to be included in the Rhodes scholarships. He believed that eventually the United Kingdom (including Ireland), the US, and Germany together would dominate the world and ensure perpetual peace.

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Aren’t those scholarships reserved for Bantu niggers who go to school in Britain to spit at and vandalize statues of Rhodes?

it's 2018

They were very very afraid of that because at the end of the Civil War, we had a huge, battle-hardened army that could roll Canada up like a carpet and Britain couldn't do anything about it. Luckily though, Americans had had enough war for one lifetime and everyone just wanted to go home and resume business as usual.

In fact the Articles of Confederation were done out of a desire by London to relieve themselves of direct responsibility for Canada's defense.

That too. The Indians lost their protector with the Treaty of Ghent, thus there was nothing now stopping American settlers from displacing them.

Imagine being this mad that you lost us and now the world belongs to us LMAO

De Tocqueville wrote in the 1820s that someday America may come to colonize Europe.

You would've never won if the French, Dutch & Spanish didn't help you. Stop taking all the credit for yourself.

>the world belongs to us LMAO
not even your own country belongs to you, delusional mutt

LMAO

>Luckily though, Americans had had enough war for one lifetime
This is what you spastics actually tell yourselves
Screaming

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I mean, we didn't fight a real war again until WWI, which was half a century after the Civil War.

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It worked, only Britain became an American colony instead of the other way around.

Shitting on S*ain isn’t a real war.

I mean, that shit lasted three months? Wouldn't call that much of a war.

The US attempted to invade Canada twice (arguably three times if you count fenian agitators) and on each occasion you had your shit royally pushed in. Hell the American invasion of Quebec was the first action of the war and the Americans were blown the fuck out so badly that it was only Benedict Arnold (yes, that one) who saved your sorry backsides from losing the entire war. You wanted very badly to conquer Canada and you couldn't, that's why it's under the British crown, end of story.

The Fenian Raids weren't an actual war and like the other guy said, we could have overrun Canada in a couple of weeks in 1865 if we'd wanted to.

>being proud that you barely beat back a new country that was basically completely disorganized and decentralized
You and I both know Britain would lose horribly in any war after 1860, so why thump your chest at the partial victories of 200 years ago? Btw you stopped kidnapping our sailors after the war so technically we won.

>What would those people think of the modern America?

We went from George Washington's army having the death penalty for sodomy to a black President sitting in a rainbow-colored gay pride White House. They'd probably have canceled the whole revolution had they had the ability to know.

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They couldn't win a land war but the Royal Navy was still a pretty formidable presence and could have easily blockaded and bombarded the Atlantic Coast especially since we did not have a large peacetime navy in the 19th century.

Even during the Spanish-American War, people along the Atlantic seaboard were in fear of the Spanish fleet, which although nowhere near as powerful as the Royal Navy, was at least on paper a pretty strong oceangoing navy and had the potential to cause damage.

The British navy in the 19th century was like the US Navy is today; no other fleet in the world came close to its capabilities.

even the PM hate Toronto

It was won with conventional battles.

No and after the US fleet was mostly disbanded following the Civil War, the Navy's budget shrunk to like $100 and by the 1870s, the fleet was very outdated and in dilapidated condition. In 1882, President Arthur signed a bill authorizing the construction of 12 new all-steel warships that would be the nucleus of a new, revived fleet. The Spanish-American War was the first test of the fleet which mostly performed well even though some flaws were still apparent.

When Theodore Roosevelt announced that he would send the battleship fleet on a grand tour around the world, there was considerable criticism from some people who argued that a display like this was un-American and too much like what the European powers did. Also some of them feared that sending the fleet away from home for an extended period would denude the East Coast of protection and invite one of the European powers to bombard/invade American port cities.

The European powers were a bit surprised that we didn't just annex Cuba after the S-A War.

Everybody won and lost the war of 1812; 'Murrica got trashed but got what they wanted, Canada got trashed but repelled the 'Murrican invasion and the British fucked off back to yurop but got to burn down the white house.

OREGON COUNTRY IS RIGHTFUL AMERICAN CLAY PLS GIB

Then again, without the bongs to worry about the Russians might not have sold Alaska.

>and the British fucked off back to yurop
But we didn't though, Canada remained a British colony.

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American win because they kill some German when their sleep on Christmas.
This is Savage!

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trenton

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>attacking on christmas eve
disgusting

America lost 20,000 men in the war. Britain lost 10,000. Peace was pushed for by British Businessmen who wanted a stop to fighting as it was bad for business. The King meanwhile would have fought to the last if he were able. But at that point he was really just a figurehead.

I was considering the bongs and the Canadians separate participants.

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Best part is how they were overloading their pocket battleships with 42-pounders and still got skullfucked by the Endymion

>Best part is how they were overloading their pocket battleships with 42-pounders and

How cute, they still learn 19th century propaganda in school as historical fact.

Actually we don't learn about the war of 1812 in school at all because it's a historical non-entity.

Actual relevant things were happening then.

No one is taught about that in school I am just a boatfag
Here are the USS President's specs
history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/p/president-i.html
Note it displaces more tonnage than a typical 64-gun ship of the line
Not sure what part of that is propaganda but calling a 1.5k ton ship a frigate might qualify

endymion wasn't alone tho tbf

Germans aren't people they don't count

The British army of that time wasn't that well trained