AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST SALARIES ON EARTH

But if you're European you can just move to a country with tuition free Unis, lol.

How much do you pay to go to uni? I doubt you're paying $4000 for your degree

That sounds like something that’s only possible in a homogeneous country where everyone understands the national language and have an IQ above 85

€2000-5000 for universities, less than €1000 for community colleges (don't know if it's an actual equivalent but basically, a bit lower quality universities).

That is really cheap. Nice.

>Not everything is about money.

youtube.com/watch?v=YcXMhwF4EtQ

>Higher ed is not free in most European countries

It's not free in any European country. Some states, however, sponsor the tuition of students.

Why did you feel like you had to say that? Nobody believes that socialized higher education is genuine free of charge.

For professionals in certain fields, if you are just a normal joe it would be best to stay in your own country for the most part

This. Thankfully college was paid for me though

Wouldn't be a problem if people weren't required to have insurance. There are many hospitals in America where you just pay for the medical aid that you need out of pocket, with much much lower prices.

Also, higher ed doesn't need to be as expensive as it currently is in America. It used to be much cheaper before.

>Why did you feel like you had to say that?

Because it is the truth.

> Nobody believes that socialized higher education is genuine free of charge.

No, some people do.

the reason for that is because amerisharts are money spenders
they spend money on shit they dont need, and they also spend the money they dont have
you can save some money and not buy bullshit or eat out in restaurants so you have more to spend on gambling and alcohol like normal people

How much do you pay a year to go to a university?
The average annual cost to attend a public university (in your state) in the US is $20k a year.

That's $80k for a standard 4 year degree. Students offset some of that by working while they study, but almost all students graduate with substantial debt.

Not the same Dane. I get around 750$ a month for studying, but I only get to live with 150$ after taxes, rent, etc.

To be fair, students who graduate with much more debt than they can realistically pay back should not have gone to college.

How the fuck you end up owing money to a college?

Healthcare is covered by most employers and higher education is cheap as fuck if you're not already rich. The average grant given to a 4 year student is ~$9100 a year, plus ~$1000 in tax credits. This is more than the cost of tuition, fees, and books at most universities. School is literally free for the average student unless they choose some bullshit scam private school. They just need to pay for food and rent. Counting food and board the averse public university is $26,000/year. Charging a net $16,000 per year for a room, full meals, free access to on campus institutions (e.g. bowling alleys, movie theaters, clubs) and all utilities is also pretty reasonable.
nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_331.30.asp
Obviously it's a lot more for lower class students and a lot less (read: Nothing) for students of upper middle class status or above. Poor students are literally pis to go to school.

Forgot link:
nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=76

Thank you, based Amerinon. There is nothing wrong with the American model, except for the fact that insurance models and gubment have fucked it up. It punishes bad decisions and rewards good ones.

Did you not read what I posted?
The average cost of college is $20k a year in the US, plus living expenses. An 18 year old in school is not going to be able to earn that much money, especially while going to school full time.

Hey man at least you're literally getting paid to go to school.

The issue isn't so much the ability of students to pay back the loans. The student debt has a huge dampening effect on the young adult's ability to do economically significant activities like buy a house, have kids, buy a new car, etc. Their disposable income is going to paying back student loans for the first 8/10 years.

>School is literally free for the average student unless they choose some bullshit scam private school.
Yeah that's absolutely false. The only people I know who have been able to go to school for free are the absolute dirt poor kids that I knew, everyone has had to have their parents kick in big money or take on loans.

My parents had next to no assets and a very low income. Even going through all the grants and such, I would have had to take out ~$15k a year to go to school. Instead I took the classic American route out and joined the military to get experience/education.

I would say there are three main problems:

1. People are misinformed. Some people I know didn't even know they qualified for financial aid until I told them and so didn't bother to apply for any. I talked another guy out-of going to a private university in our city when I showed him statistics and rankings indicating that the public research university 20 minutes away was just as good or better at less than half the tuition. I think they need to expand education in this regard.

2. Cultural attitude that everyone needs a 4 year education. Two year vocational schools are basically free and should be encouraged more than they are for people who are just going to drop out of 4 years. Dental hygienists, general nurses, mid level IT guys, construction managers, plumbers, web developers, and many other decent careers only require an associate's or similar.

3. The idea that everyone SHOULD go to college. Germany for example has much heavier barriers to entry than the US does. They filter out blown performing students early that are, again, likely to just drop out and waste their time and money. In the USA anyone can get a loan and go to some university.

>Hey man at least you're literally getting paid to go to school.
I'm not complaining. It's enough to scrape by.

That's what I mean by realistically paying back your student loans. It's not worth going to college if it compromises your quality of life. Most people who go to college nowadays should go to trade schools instead.

>My parents had next to no assets and a very low income. Even going through all the grants and such, I would have had to take out ~$15k a year to go to school.
I don't believe you. Specify the University, income, and whether or not that includes room and board.

This.

People are afraid of decently price healthcare because "muh comunusm"

>Their disposable income is going to paying back student loans for the first 8/10 years.
And then their total lifetime income slowly starts exceeding that of their European counterparts.

I concur.

PSU University Park
Mother made ~$20k and I made ~$10k my senior year of HS
Yes it did, I suppose I could have lived in a van or something.

If they majored in something relevant it does.
Too many of our high schoolers are just going to college for no reason because it's basically taught in high school you go to college or live in a van.

>The average cost of college is $20k a year in the US, plus living expenses
Absolutely false. It's $26,120 INCLUDING living expenses.
nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=76

State sponsored healthcare can in some cases interfere with freedom of expression
>using the tax money of the religious in general to fund abortions

>Too many of our high schoolers are just going to college for no reason
Well, that number sure ain't going down if there were to be "free" higher education

>$500/mo rent
sounds about right, what part of what he said is wrong?

>tfw average rent in stockholm for a slightly-larger-than-a-shoebox apartment is $800+

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>yes it did
So I was right, your education was free even at an Ivy League level school. $15,000 a year is perfectly reasonable for living expenses in that area.

Living expenses include food and utilities as well as whatever entertainment institutions the University provides. It's not just rent.

which is better than in europe where we subsidize completely pointless university classes for kids who don't learn anything useful

same for healthcare, even if you find it morally justified (i don't) it's not even cost-efficient to start curing every nigger that asks for it
reminder that they come from countries where 1/3rd of the population has literal AIDS and as soon as they come here we give free tritherapy to millions of niggers

Get on my level.
mentalfloss.com/article/81296/average-cost-one-bedroom-apartments-50-major-us-cities
>San Diego, California: $1760

Then you gotta spend a ton of your salary on car insurance, gas, maintenance, repairs, etc. for you and your whole family. Until one of them gets in a drunk driving accident and dies.

there is no way in hell a student could afford that

The average student in the US is a millionaire. They're already paying that kind of money for tuition.

So you are giving us a poor fag's point of view. Typical of Jow Forums.

College dorms are cheaper obviously

Your point is...?

Obongo tied student loans to the government and prices skyrocketed

Penn State isn't Ivy League.

>everyone is guaranteed $13k each year in loans for living expenses, of which 40% is forgiven if you pass your exams
And schools are of no charge

Everyone here speaks English.
Also, by definition the median IQ of a population is 100.

no we make more then you per capita

this, and our tax rate is not even that much higher then in the US (most states) to pay for this.

We have a much higher tax rate than people realize. It's got nothing on places like Belgium and Denmark but it's higher than most developed countries.

I experience this during my last job for an outsourcing company.
They paid us peanuts compared to what they are paying to our USA counterparts.

>Ivy League level

>>Ivy League level
No, not even NYU level.
usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Euros get significantly more time off than us though, which money cannot buy
Some places get in-practice two months
Meanwhile even at the best job here you're looking at two weeks

The term "Public Ivy"was coined first to refer to Penn State. NYU is also one. PSU is literally one of the top 100 universities in the world.
Average paid time off (vacation, holidays, and sick days) is about 34 or 7 weeks in the USA given someone with 10 years of experience.
bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-2/mobile/paid-leave-in-private-industry-over-the-past-20-years.htm
9 sick days, 17 vacation days, 8 holidays.

>They paid us peanuts compared to what they are paying to our USA counterparts.

Well it takes you guys months to do what a US engineer does in a week, so what the fuck did you expect?

consider it hazard pay. i'd rather not get a raise but have to deal with the shit they have to deal with.

>10 years of experience
>9 sick days, 17 vacation days, 8 holidays.
that's still pretty low comparatively and it's without considering that it's generally frowned upon to use all of your vacation at once.
For example everyone in Italy gets 30 days of time off and in practice it's much more than that because many places close down during August

Well fuck them for exploiting us.
Good thing I quit and lax around so much when I was working for them.

my average monthly pay

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Not what I expected from denmark.

I'm just exceptionally woke.

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Now you're making things up. Penn State wasn't even included in the original "public ivy" list, and NYU is a private university. The actual public ivys are top of the line like Berkeley and UMich. Did you go to Penn State?

You don't get it. "Homogeneous" means no non-whites.

They dont though. America is pretty third world by European standards