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are farmers supposed to be weaker than american college boys ?

they had greater willpower and that's all that matters in the end

yes but why do everyone implies that a farmer who only did hard manual works during his entire life should be a bad soldier while the rich american kid who never did any kind of physical exercises until conscription is a good soldier ?

Farmers are stupid. You need brains to fight.

>Farmers are stupid
lmao

>gi
>rich american kid
The absolute state of gaulish education

See the Germans vs Slavs. Germans were outnumbered and outgunned, but they managed to do a 10:1 K/D, because dumb soviet farmers were sent in waves to die.

compare the way of life of the average """poor""" american man of the 60's to the life of the average viet man

The reasons of the soviet heavy looses are too complicated for your small brain, the overall K/D was 2:1
and most of germans soldiers were farmers too

most of these guys would have been on a pretty weak diet compared to the Americans
but harsher conditions and a simple diet made them angrier and more determined compared to the Americans who had hamburgers and coca cola shipped out to them like it was a party (until they got shot at their party lol)

Vietnam "won" because it could send much more young sons to their certain death than the Americans.

>hurr communists used human waves
literally only China in the Korean war ever did this

And reds in ww2.

Their weapons were supplied by the USSR and China so they weren't outdated.
The AK-47s used by the Vietnamese were better than the M16s of the Americans which were notorious for jamming and requiring constant maintenance.

Most Vietnam soldiers were from blue collar backgrounds; hardly any collegefags got drafted.

I feel like if the United States ever got into a war with China they would lose because of 105 IQ being the Chinese IQ average

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I feel like if the United States ever got into a war with China they would lose because of 105 IQ being the Chinese IQ average

This is probably why they lost Vietnam.
The Vietnamese soldiers were smarter and knew the terrain and memorized things faster than the low IQ Whites sent to fight and die.

You can't do that and expect a positive result.

I mean, look at every Arab war.
Arabs have an average IQ of 86.

They lose like 2000 soldiers and kill 100 enemy combatants whenever they're forced to fight people more evolved than them.

It's not fair.

We killed 3 million Vietnamese and we lost 58,000 soldiers, it really had nothing to do with them being stronger or smarter than us.

China has a birthrate lower than Japan and their soldiers are woefully inexperienced/equipment untested in combat compared to Americans

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Even when they're fighting their closely related more evolved Iranian cousins, they get fucked

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

Average IQ is a decisive factor in war.
It affects every single thing that happens in a war.

The Vietnamese knew what they were doing despite the high kill rate. Asiatics do not have empathy, so they do not care when other Asiatics die for a good reason.

They didn't care that they were getting their own people murdered.

This is why they won.

We were about to win though, but then the counter culture movement happened, which hated the idea of imperialism and war. The entire east coast was basically on fire from protests.

>They didn't care that they were getting their own people murdered.

They did not care because more than enough young sons were born every year, while American mothers often send their only/ second son to war

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But the Vietnamese knew that they just had to wait for America to ultimately back-off of their country.

They weren't stupid.
Also, we didn't kill as many as we'd like to say we did. South Vietnam did a good deal of damage to the North.

The K/D ratio wasn't that bad for the VC or NVA. Tbh I'd expect it to be worse when taking in to the account how you had superpower with superiour firepower supporting one side. They dropped more bombs in Vietnam than whole WW2.

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They didn't know shit. They were doing what anybody else fighting in their home country would do, survive by any means possible. When you've got nothing left it's easy to go fight and not worry about dying.

Even though they have a huge population of young men, Western civilians/generals wouldn't use the Russian/Chinese/Vietnamese tactic of "Zerg Rush".

>125x68

>They didn't care that they were getting their own people murdered.
wrong, they were just committed and had the indomitable will to endure while Americans were weak and non-committal

No, they were committed, but because they were committed they didn't care.

This is how Asians think.

also the VC dead includes civilians since Americans would napalm an entire town and count everyone there as a "combatant"

>casualities rate is 1 to 1.3 not counting pows
>le ebil human waves

>Vietnamese used "zerg rush"
lol what? when
are tactically decisive ambushes and putting Americans ALWAYS on the defensive now "human waves"?

Americans killed millions and didn't care
Vietnamese cared deeply and wanted to win at any cost
but peace has a high price, even more so a victorious peace
Ho Chi Minh knew this which is why he admired America since at one point they know that blood was the price of freedom

typical dismissal of the superior tactical and strategic ability of Russian commanders compared to their inadequate German peers even with one hand tied behind their backs for most of the Eastern campaign due to political issues in the USSR.

They killed millions of other countries. Not their own.

I'm not saying that Asians have a bad or inferior way of thinking (it's actually very impressive), but they get their own killed for a greater cause.

You're Asian, so you probably don't see how your own race thinks because you're not interacting with whites, blacks, and everything in-between.

>I feel like if the United States ever got into a war with China they would lose because of 105 IQ being the Chinese IQ average

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The whole mess was really just a proxy war with the Soviet Union.

"I've never considered [Vo Nguyen Giap] to be a great military strategist. Sound military strategy should not consist of sacrificing your soldiers en masse to break through the enemy lines. Had I employed a similar tactic with the US forces, I would have been removed from command in a few months. The Asian mind is different from ours, they do not place the same value on human life as we do."

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>and most of germans soldiers were farmers too

Germany was significantly more urbanized than the Soviet Union.

>this american faggot who defends his fucked up government decision to attack a country which is 8500 miles away from USA

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Giap is unironically one of the greatest military commanders of the 20th century while willy is a huge loser who got BTFO

Please explain what happened in Afghanistan.

The PLA also has massively corrupt and totally incompetent officers. It's really a massive graft machine for the army brass.

>le move artillery on top of mountain man

>le camp in the middle of an indefensible low ground
woah
western superiority

pic happened

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Brezhnev got butthurt as fuck because Mohamed Sardar Khan wouldn't suck his dick.

serves them right for being capitalists

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Funny thing is if Vietnam lost the war,they might become a developed country like Japan or Korea now.

macaco

After the war was over, a terror regime was imposed on South Vietnam with tens of thousands of refugees fleeing the country and many more put in reeducation camps where they stayed until the 90s. South Vietnamese families were also resettled next to the Cambodian border to be exposed to Khmer Rouge attacks.

The decade after reunification was extremely harsh with "war" communism being imposed and nonstop conflict with China and Cambodia. Vietnam was one of the world's poorest cunts with near-Africa level of GDP and the economy underwritten by massive Soviet assistance, reaching $2 million a day by 1982. Also, Hanoi was one of the world's most isolated cunts and had little contact with anyone outside the Soviet bloc. Despite Hanoi's desire for improved relations with the United States, President Reagan's hardline anti-Soviet stance and disputes over returning the remains of US servicemen continued to stand in the way. There was no light at the end of the tunnel until the late 80s when the aging wartime leadership retired and the conflict with China and Cambodia started winding down.

The US Army had rather deficient training in Vietnam; 18 year old conscripts were being thrown into action with hardly any preparedness. They were undisciplined and would make too much noise and draw attention to themselves, and they also often disrespected the local culture by using Buddhist shrines as sleeping quarters and vandalizing them with graffiti or leaving behind Playboys or stuff like that.

A lot of lessons were taken up in the Gulf War from Vietnam, especially proper preparedness, training, and understanding/respecting the local culture.

I think they would've gone through a reformation process like Korea. Except with eventual reunification since North Vietnam was never Juche tier retarded. North Vietnam would be like East Germany and South like West.

The South is still a pretty distinct entity and they never managed to properly "break" it.

probably not considering it would have taken literal genocide or nuclear bombardment to "win" the war for the Americans
Vietnam would have been better off if it had become a Republic after WWII as Roosevelt wanted
all of Asia would be better off

Make you wonder why the US Army is not recruiting farmers.

Imagine all the wars they could have one with a few talibans.

Iraq has a higher IQ than Iran.

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Saigon is literally a microcosm of the country now
If anything Hanoi is the most distinct with their autism over muh accent and tradition

the north hates how superior Saigon is

>SKS and AK 47
>outdated in the 60's, let alone now
>viet kong/north vietnamese army
>just "farmers," not well trained and seasoned through a conflict that was a decade long by the time the burgers strolled up
"wew"

All of our Middle East policies over the years can be summed up as “It seemed like a good idea at the time!”

Oh and all those late model Soviet planes, SAMs, and tanks.

Source for that?

any ground vehicles of the north proved their worth in the easter offensive, showing the ARVN to be incapable of standing any conventional offensive by the north

Easy to get rolled up when Congress forced all aid to Saigon to be terminated in 1975.

Democratic congress

im talking about the '72 easter offensive, when the only thing that saved the south from complete collapse was american bombing, even months after the bombing campaign, there were still notable amounts of southern territory occupied by both VC and the north's regular army, some within a day's drive from hanoi

Not really, most of the north and central are chill with the south. Hanoi is just anal about everything, at least Hue keep their royal rituals in closed doors