China's One Belt One Road (OBOR) or the Belt and Road Initiative(BRI) is probably the biggest trade/infra plans out there, yet I see very little discussion of it here.
I mean if people here like to talk about grand Jewish schemes out of nothing yet ignore possibly the biggest scheme of the 21st century.
So what do people think of it here? Is it a massive debt trap for poorer nations? will it be the final blow to the US economic hegemony? will this finally make china the world's pre-eminent superpower on par with America?
it has my full support, i can’t wait for the Based PRC to use the sheer economic power it will gain from the Belt to end wh*Te hegemony and wipe out yankoids
Owen Hill
we are exclude from it anyway
Eli Young
1 it is nothing more than using infrastructure to try to skirt their south china sea reliance 2 no 3 no just look at the tit of tat trade war 4 no, it only shifts trade volumes to less congested areas, perhaps cheaper to get stuff to central asia when they used to off load in the gulf
it's literally just a trumped up savings on gas
Oliver Parker
Remains to be seen if it'll be successful. The land-based silk road declined in popularity because sea shipping is just more efficient. China is doing a good job debt trapping third worlders though.
Aaron Nguyen
>Is it a massive debt trap for poorer nations
Obviously but why change a winning formula?
China has invested incredible amounts of money in the likes of Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and are trying to reshape the Eurasian landscape. They're already starting to break into the European sphere of influence and will probably provide a very good alternative for financial support to the EU for the V4 countries especially when clueless idiots like Macron keep spouting their rhetoric thinking the world order will just stay as it is.
William Torres
>They're already starting to break into the European sphere of influence and will probably provide a very good alternative for financial support to the EU for the V4 countries
to add any type of ocean shipping is done at the goodwill of the us, american navy supremacy is the reason why trade embargo still happens
Jeremiah Peterson
One of the first people the Chinese are enslaving are the blacks in Africa. Better access to the European markets while still restricting access to their own.
Mason Taylor
more direct less levy access is perhaps not more open since it's the same eu regulation, another way to get in is to flood eastern europe with loads of borderline stuff and have eastern europe peddle it off, regardless it's a strategic move with increased export in mind
Jacob Wilson
>more direct less levy access is perhaps not more open since it's the same eu regulation
Yeah that's what I meant.
What do you think of their land grab and debt trap measures?
Like the port in Sri Lanka or the land grab from Tajikistan. This land grab and debt trap measures could very well result in them getting more military bases around the world and also kind of nullify the American Naval dominance by simply circumventing it.
Blake Murphy
they don't need the ports for military because they have no overseas land based interest to protect, they have no fleet groups to carry out any ocean based operation, perhaps in 50 years the port lease is something done all the time by the us too, it helps to with tax
the smarter plan is just build airports instead, but they probably have more cargo ships than planes
Owen Lewis
fuck china
Ian Murphy
>the smarter plan is just build airports instead They did in Sri Lanka I think but it saw no traffic so the Sri Lankan government handed it over to us. Yeah like that's going to help. We can't even prevent our close neighbours from falling into the Chinese influence.
Robert Scott
china's labor economy is still work in progress so this will be the case with their ports and highways too, it might not get much of anything
it's a safety play in case the oceans gets too rough such as america embargoes them
Ryder Lee
>So what do people think of it here? Is it a massive debt trap for poorer nations? will it be the final blow to the US economic hegemony? will this finally make china the world's pre-eminent superpower on par with America?
OBOR is actually good for Poland. We would be turned into one big Chinese logistics center serving as a hub for its trade thanks to our well developed transport infrastructure and strategic geostrategic location. We would live here like kings without working at all benefiting only from trade between China and Western Europe. Maybe that's why amerifags pushed here their retarded army to turn us into shithole submitted to zionist jews and russia so we wouldn't benefit massively from the Chinese projects. If we were ruled by real patriots and not zionist-american agents from postcommunist kremlin-obeying families, we could ride on constant prosperity generated by Chinese stuff flooding the West with its products and making it weaker and more dependent on itself. OBOR would also weaken Russia, not only the West, so it would be in our best interest.
Lyl China is a superpolluted shithole dictatorship that needs to be nuked off the map.
Levi Jackson
>We would live here like kings without working at all benefiting only from trade between China and Western Europe.
It's never that easy Polan. The only other nation that thinks OBOR alone will make them super rich/superpower while they themselves barely do anything is Pakistan.
Levi Ward
Does this mentally ill Polish Stormfag spend 16 hours a day on here spamming this crap?
Liam Reed
We don't hope to become "superrich". We want to simply live decently without much effort. And that's what being a main hub of OBOR would guarantee to us. We would live from trade-rent and the best paid job in Poland would be warehouse worker and driver. But fucking traitors ruling our shithole let the American mutt push his army into our land. And now we became bargaining chip of USA and Israel in its schemes with Russia to block the Silk Road. In the end we will be sold to the Russian kike and eat grass, already today Russian state TV invites kikes and shits on us, accuses us of "antisemitism" and shit on our history and rewrite it. It is a preludium of what is going to happen to Poland: it will become russian-jewish colony like it was after 1945, the only difference is that this time America will be a shareholder of this geopolitical project. We will be working here on the jew, the russian and the murrican, robbed to the naked bone. How is it better than being Chinese warehouse?!
Dylan Ortiz
>Using a flatten map to explain OBOR
It is baffling that there are people literally paid to produce such useless garbage.
Andrew Baker
>Does this mentally ill Polish Stormfag spend 16 hours a day on here spamming this crap?
Even a pope-idolizing catholic ultra-cuck could become a stormfronter after experiencing all this liquid shit the jew is pouring on our heads now.
The murrimut Jew created the communist China and now he is afraid of his own creation. That's what makes it the most entertaining. I wish all the best to China, and all the worst to the global jewry and its allies and colonies such as the UK, Russia, USA and other butthurt shitholes.
So as we have created them, so we can destroy them.
David Gonzalez
>But fucking traitors ruling our shithole let the American mutt push his army into our land
These traitorous kikes from PiSS will be hanging on treets like leaves someday. They made literally the worst possible choice by making a jewish-russian-american banana republic out of us.
Ayden Bennett
>So as we have created them, so we can destroy them.
You will shit yourself all over your pants instead of destroying them, dumb indebted mutt. You are 15 years too late. Shouldn't have spend 15 years and 7 trillion dollar on zionist wars in Middle East, so maybe you could have a realistic chance to stop the yellow train of your doom. Now you can fuck yourself with a cheap dildo up the ass.
Josiah Lopez
>press a couple of buttons >China's coastline turns into a glowing green crater Done and done.
Wyatt Davis
The Chinese and the Russians have nukes that could reach every corner of America you mutt.
Try to make an intelligent comment for once.
Connor Parker
China's nuclear arsenal has an estimated 30 minute response time; they store missiles unfueled with no warheads (yes, they still have liquid fueled missiles like it was the 1960s) and there's a lengthy chain of command to go through to fire a missile, because they set things up so a rogue army officer can't seize control of the nukes.
tl;dr there wouldn't be anything left of them but a wet spot before they get a chance to do anything
Justin Robinson
Liquid fuel missiles have its advantage of being simply more powerful
Blake Nelson
It'll never be completed.
Justin Rivera
Be that as it may, they're surrounded by at least four neighboring cunts with nukes plus the US Seventh Fleet so if everyone hit China all at once, the place would be uninhabitable for the next 10,000 years.
Leo Hall
It's obvious they will be the new masters of the world no mater how much butthurt murrilards try to deny it. Just wish they didn't have such a complicated language, learning it is going to be a bitch.
This And more importantly the entire world won't simply sit and watch while the US throws a nuclear tantrum.
Tell us what America is realistically going to do.
Jackson Campbell
Too slow to prepare for launch and less reliable than solid fueled missiles which is why they'd be useless for a first strike. Solid missiles can be put in a submarine and be launched from anywhere, not a fixed land silo that can be targeted.
Ayden Roberts
>The murrimut Jew created the communist China and now he is afraid of his own creation
The murrican kike hoped that China after implementing a classic jewish soviet doctrine will be forever ridiculously poor and genociding its own population in tens of millions, so they would have it under boot to the end of times. But the jewish-communist inspired elite of China became nationalistic and now the kike is shitting his pants out of fear because he doesn't have any control over 1,4 bln of people anymore who become richer and more powerful with every day and care about nothing except their national interests that became global. And now demented super-evil kike Kissinger instead of going to Beijing, is knocking to Putin's door in Moscow, because he hopes for American-Russian alliance against the yellow fever. He could sell his own mother for this alliance, not only Poland.
Wyatt Flores
We have both to use both advantages, yes, their are not as reliable and operarive ready but 1 missle reaching the US will eliminate the whole New York state for example. I mean 12 warheada, wew
Connor Carter
Didn't we get rid of our liquid fueled missiles?
Alexander Ortiz
America doesn't have to do anything. China is heavily reliant on oceanic routes for food and fuel. The second those break down, Chinese industry immediately buckles due to lack of access to inputs. Once Chinese industry buckles, unemployment soars. Once unemployment soars, the CCP finds themselves with a legitimacy problem.
It's not really something the US has to do anything about. Even with OBOR, China can't move everything over land as cheaply and efficiently as they can over see, so disruptions to the sea routes can still crash their system.
If anyone does something about China, it won't be the US - it'll be Japan.
Samuel Myers
>The murrican kike hoped that China after implementing a classic jewish soviet doctrine will be forever ridiculously poor and genociding its own population in tens of millions Well, it did. Didn't 40 million Chinese die because of Mao's insanity?
Eli Price
What are you expecting from retards who base their strats on civ games?
Sure thing, USA is going to nuke china for OBOR, just like it was suppose to nuke when they overtake their economy, steal their tech, etc...All the while Russia sits and watches while the neighborhood becomes a radioactive wasteland.
Dylan Morales
>Well, it did. Didn't 40 million Chinese die because of Mao's insanity?
And how you gain from it today?
Connor Garcia
I'm pretty sure since the 80s when the Titan II was retired and it was already long obsolete.
Ethan Williams
That's about the # of Chinese who will die of cancer in the next 30 years from their extreme pollution levels.
William Sullivan
>That's about the # of Chinese who will die of cancer in the next 30 years from their extreme pollution levels.
Wishful thinking of the deluded mutt. Remind me who the fuck rejected the Paris Climate Agreement lately?
Well,...the soviets were more interested in their military than their economy. So I wonder how you will handle china.
China at the moment is purely interested in the economy while slowly building military(though it won't match the US at sea for another 50 years or so)
Lincoln Richardson
Basically, in the 70s, Moscow was doing very much the same thing as China now. They had the KGB deployed all over the world to spread propaganda and infiltrate American universities, also they were engaging in wholesale theft of military and technological secrets. Once Reagan clamped down on this and applied the thumbscrews to them, the party was over. That included, among other things, cutting off their ability to borrow money from foreign lenders.
Although there are some differences, China has a lot of the same deficiencies that come with a top-down planned economy namely that they can't create any technology of their own, they can only steal it, yet still be unable to master advanced technology.
Landon Diaz
>though it won't match the US at sea for another 50 years or so By that point, we will be 50 years ahead of them, assuming they don't implode into another civil war and resort to cannibalism.
Gabriel Cook
>they can't create any technology of their own
When are you mutts going to let go of this meme?
Leo Wright
Isn't their military armed with knockoffs of 1980s Soviet weapons?
Jackson King
See here. Excluding Pakistan because it's a Chinese ally...yeah they're dead.
>Although there are some differences, China has a lot of the same deficiencies that come with a top-down planned economy namely that they can't create any technology of their own, they can only steal it, yet still be unable to master advanced technology.
I wonder how much of this is true. I can see this is the case with jet engines(which they indeed failed to master) and stealth tech which is inferior to for example even Russia.
However I am pretty sure they're doing good in genomics, solar tech, IT etc...If Japan, Korea and Taiwan could become leaders in many fields I don't see why not china.
As the for Soviet Union comparison even at their they were about 60% of the US economy I think but I am pretty sure china is almost certain to become bigger than the US economy (it already is in PPP terms) in nominal terms by 2025.
Gabriel Hall
China's per capita GDP is like $8300. Most of the country outside tourist zones looks worse than Africa.
>Basically, in the 70s, Moscow was doing very much the same thing as China now.
Soviet Union was never doing even remotely as good as China, you fucking retard. Soviet Union's GDP in its best period was smth around 30% of American one. Moreover, its economy was globally isolated and based on uneffective central-planned autarky deprived of free market paradigm that led it to massive technological backwardness that became irreversible around in the end of 60s.
Meanwhile China's nominal GDP is already 75% of yours and its GDP measured by the purchase power is 120% of yours. And the reality could be even more dire because the Chinese correct their statistics in minus according to Deng Xiaoping doctrine that obliged the China to always present themselves to other global players as weaker than it is in reality. While Russian-ruled Soviet Union was always faking its statistics in plus to scare its opponents, China is faking them in minus to have more time on development of its economical and military power without being noticed by jealous opponents. Combined economies of nazi Germany and imperial Japan didn't manage to cross 40% of your GDP and you needed the most destructive and genocidal war in history of humanity along with alliance with soviets to fuck them up.
The Chinese will begin to spend more money on military than you already in 2028 while keeping their spendings on 1,7% of GDP instead of your 4-5%. What's most funny is that every dollar spend on military in China could be compared in material/realistic categories to 10 dollar spend in your country. That's because producing a tank or a rocket launcher in China costs up to 10x less than in the US.
You are fucked, dude and even alliance with Russia at expense of my country won't help you, it will only accelerate your doom.
What makes you think Russia and India will fight for the US.
Russia is well not exactly your greatest ally lol. India is still pretty non aligned.(though we are very vary of the Chinese).
Jordan Cruz
Yeah, I'm coming off my third shift in a row. Meth is a hell of a drug.
Jonathan Anderson
>While Russian-ruled Soviet Union was always faking its statistics in plus to scare its opponents Lovely. So does Beijing. All totalitarian states are the same at the end of the day.
Brandon Taylor
I don't understand the argument that OBOR would weaken Russia. The only realistic land route to EU must pass through Russia - it cannot pass through a bunch of Central Asian and war torn Middle Eastern countries, plus the bureaucratic ease of dealing with only a single country. Russia will also profit from it, and have leverage over it.
Some Russian guy explained very well the reason that a EU-China HSR isn't built yet: 'Putin tries to bring about this, so far without much success. The Chinese insist on implementing the entire project on their own, like they do in Africa. Being handled like Africans kind of hurts our feelings a little bit. What’s more important, this leaves little room for Russian contractors and kickback hungry bureaucrats. Too hard for Putin to swallow.'
Kevin Cook
>Lovely. So does Beijing.
You are wrong, retard. They are correcting their stats in minus, never in plus
Connor Reed
>I don't understand the argument that OBOR would weaken Russia.
I would have to explain it for an hour, but Russians aint stupid and they perfectly realize it thats why they try to play with murricans
Caleb Green
>China's per capita GDP is like $8300. Most of the country outside tourist zones looks worse than Africa.
It's $10,000 nominal at the moment.(16,000 PPP wise)
Per capita doesn't matter now when it comes overall economic might now does it? If that's the case Switzerland might be the top economic power.
No maybe you haven't realized this china is still growing above 6.5% and will become a upper middle income economy by 2030 and a proper rich economy by 2040.
Bentley Collins
Doesn't really bother me that much, Europe is forever in the US sphere as well as key points of Asia such as Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc.
I'd be more worried if I were Russia.
Nathan Sanchez
Has nothing to do with us. The entire human race would celebrate if that insectoid race were wiped off the map. :^)
Colton Perez
>No maybe you haven't realized this china is still growing above 6.5% and will become a upper middle income economy by 2030 and a proper rich economy by 2040. Not unless they manage to cull about 600 million people.
Jordan Lee
>I'd be more worried if I were Russia. I feel like the Russians have given up hope?
Also do you think the EU will always remain that loyal considering they have ambitions of their own and as well as recent issues with the US?
Caleb Gonzalez
>will become a upper middle income economy by 2030 No they won't, inland China is India tier.
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Gabriel Reyes
$8123
Bentley Powell
The EU is nothing but a bunch of petty, squabbling states that have only managed to reluctantly get along and not go to war every 25 years because of the US presence since WWII.
Carson Garcia
That's 2017 stats I think. Here are the 2018 estimates
I recommend you visit China some time and go outside the CCP's Potemkin Villages and you can see how unimaginably shitty it is.
Luis Jones
It really is, and the major coastal cities aren't even that great because they're so fucking cheap and smoggy.
Jonathan Williams
Rail is a meme. Ships transports much greater loads at fraction of price. At best it could be used for niche products that start going obsolete very fast, as ship gets to Europe in 2 months. Its mostly propaganda tool
Hunter Torres
>Rail is a meme. Ships transports much greater loads at fraction of price. At best it could be used for niche products that start going obsolete very fast, as ship gets to Europe in 2 months. Its mostly propaganda tool
That's what some experts claim that land-trade will never be able to compete with the sea trade. But the Chinese with their bullet-trains and new technologies in land transporation could fuck up this paradigm. They could even lose some money in initial part of the project, only to cover up expenses with growing revenue in later periods.
Jace Bell
A beauty, isn't it? The good old commie philosophy of development at all costs.
Murrica is too dumb to engineer even in half as technologically advanced trains as China, and your non-existent hyperloop is a laughing stock of the world.
Not really, I was trying to come up with the only other country which was this blindly enthusiastic about OBOR which was to show that most nations are cautious about this.
Julian Carter
That, children, is the wonders of a planned state economy at work. All that matters is meeting production quotas and taking shortcuts if need be to do it.
Christian Thompson
Pakistan is pretty much main OBOR country. I guess chinks wants want to have Pakis as ally in order to keep India in check. Huge amount of Chink shipping goes through indian ocean so any extra leverage against india is useful. Indians themselves were invited i to OBOR project vut refused, presumably because Pakistan is there already
Charles Nelson
You do realize people can point to similar crumbling infrastructure in the US right?
Ryan Howard
Why would we think otherwise? Trade brings prosperity, this is nothing new.
Luis Walker
>You are fucked, dude and even alliance with Russia at expense of my country won't help you, it will only accelerate your doom.
It is worth reminding that jesus-killing kikes are brokers of this Russian-American alliance against Iran and China which is made mostly at expense of Poland. This kosher race of parasites and fascists is our doom for centuries, nothing ever changed and will change in this matter, they are like lice on our national body, always allying themselves with our enemies for their benefit. The same was the thing during partitions when the kikes licked Russian and German ass to get more privileges in partitioned Poland. The same was during II RP when jew-zionists shilled for German nazis and jew-commies shilled for Russian soviets. When German and Russian forces attacked Poland, kikes were first one to greet both of them with flowers and vodka, the stopped greeting Germans only after receiving bullets in brains from them.
>Indians themselves were invited i to OBOR project vut refused, presumably because Pakistan is there already
Not because of their mere presence but because one of their projects go through Pakistan occupied Kashmir I think.
We didn't hesitate to form the Shanghai co-operation council despite pakistan being there. If china addresses that particular concern, we will join OBOR probably.
Bentley Jenkins
I have to ask what allergy meds this Pole is on, if he even is a Pole and not some chink with a proxy.
David Campbell
He seems a bit fanatical desu. I always find genuine Jewish hatred(other than by Arabs maybe) by modern people weird.
