Are Latin Americans proud of their Spanish daddy or are they angry at them for killing their other ancestors?

Mexicos urban population was Mestizo White and Amerindians these took up urban free occupations not agriculture.

where do you live? be very specific

Low class trash.

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Probably not in a place of illegal illiterate immigration.

NYC metropolitan area

The scum of the US, cringe.

t. White worshiper that's fucking some ugly fat Becky just because she's white

Friegaplatos CHI

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>Mestizo White
what the fuck is that

also mexico only started to urbanize like 50 years ago, before that only criollos and spaniards and some mestizos lived in big cities (except mexico city), everyone else worked in haciendas where they were paid basically nothing

Spanish new world wasnt some redneck swamp sisterfucking subhumans, there was a civilized urban population that had indians mestizos and whites

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Nuevo leon was a city established in 16th century.

Agriculture was not the entirety of new spain, and the farm workers were farm workers before and recieved pay and weren't really forced to work there.

so arrogant

Pic related captures essense of new spain civilization.

An amerindian chief even went to court in the peninsula to protest some crimes.

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>there was a civilized urban population that had indians mestizos and whites
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

>Alejandro de Humboldt: impresiones sobre México:

>“México —escribió el barón— es el país de la desigualdad. Acaso en ninguna parte la hay más espantosa en la distribución de fortunas, civilización, cultivo de la tierra y población.” En los altiplanos centrales se extendían inmensos llanos donde existían cuatro ciudades cercanas importantes —México tenía 135 mil habitantes—, numerosas aldeas, campos bien cultivados semejantes a los de Lombardía, pero fuera de esta zona privilegiada “corren terrenos yermos en que apenas se encuentran 10 o 12 personas por legua cuadrada”.

>“La arquitectura de los edificios públicos y privados, la finura del ajuar de las mujeres, el aire de la sociedad, todo anuncia un extremo de esmero que se contrapone extraordinariamente a la desnudez, ignorancia y rusticidad del populacho”.

>inb4 "i don't know spanish"
fuck off i don't have time to translate it

Only tercerafuerzaniggers feel proud of carrying (or of arguing that they may carry) filthy sp*nish blood in their veins.
I actually despise them for feeling proud of carrying at a genetic level the mediocrity of a failed nigger-tier empire that can count spreading faith in the one and only GOD as its only valuable contribution to mankind.
Whahahaha....

Revanquist revisionists

what causes you to have these random outrage bursts?

cont
>Hablando de fortunas, Humboldt puntualiza que en Lima, el vecino más rico sólo alcanzaba una renta anual de 4 mil pesos; en Caracas, los hacendados más prósperos percibían 10 mil pesos; en La Habana, el cultivo de la caña de azúcar y el empleo de esclavos negros proporcionaba una renta de 30 a 35 mil pesos, mientras que en México había hacendados que aparte de las minas, disfrutaban una renta anual de 200 mil pesos fuertes.

>“Tal es —comenta Humboldt— la facilidad con que pueden llevarse a efecto vastos proyectos en un país en que las riquezas pertenecen a un corto número de individuos.” (...) Y en contraste con estos próceres, sólo en la ciudad de México “hormigueaban” 20 o 30 mil zaragatos y huachinangos —indios o mestizos— que pasan la noche al raso y en el día se tienden al sol cubiertos con una manta.

>if the Spaniards didn't come you'd be worshipping the moon instead of jesus

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...

Id rather worship the sun than a jew

come on, you know someone else would have come instead
probably you, even

but we do worship the sun
sun of god that is
Imagine what a British South America would look like

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As a Latin American BVLL (Québécois) i am really proud of my FRENCH ancestors.

it's just that this retard thinks new spain was some sort of paradise for everyone

this

seek help

so pedantic

Hail brother
I am also proud of my Celto-Iberian ancestry

like india but with potatoes and corn

did you get rape by your daddy too much?

seek help desu

t. Oaxaca

I do not have amerindian ancestors, actually the only reason I'm angry at them is for NOT killing all of them.

NY'er here. I would rather live around fags and lefties than the other side of the spectrum desu.

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I'm proud of speaking spanish because there's so much amazing literature written in it. Other than that, i don't realy care for anything spanish. Spain has always been a distant thing for me.

On the other hand, i'm quite amazed by my (possible) indian ancestors, becuase they were impressive.

>Juan Pablo Sanchez Gonzalez
>catholic origins
>speaks everyday that filthy Iberian language
>online he speaks another filthy colonial language
>enjoys food he knows because the Spaniards brought
You are not an Aztec
You are probably a mestizo bro

>if the Brits came we would be better hurr hurr
Bullshit. This shit would be Pakistan or Jamaica
Also you probably wouldn’t exist, since the brits actually hated natives and didn’t mix with them. Our countries would be full white, full black or full native. I am white myself and I know racemixing is dangerous but you are literally denying the Latin American reality lmao

>I am white myself
>flag
NOOOOOO 0n AJSKAJSKAJSAKJSAKS

>I am white myself
LOL

OHHHHHHHHH GLORIAAAAAAAAAAA ALELUHAAAAA

What did Ecuadorian indios even do?

i am white too

As is evident by the posters in this thread. There are a lot of mixed feelings towards Spain. In my experience the ones that seem to hate Spain the most are Mexicans, typically the ones from Mexico City which are quite easily the most insufferable people on the planet. In the end, the ones that hate Spain the most are other Spaniards.

>t. Spanish mother and extended family including Cacalans.

Of course, in Mexico only exists Cholos and light skinned Aztecs, no ethnic diversity kek

Memes aside, this is my opinion on this, mostly from the native american perspective. I'm about to post a fucking bible but I think this is the reason why some latin americans will tell you they hate Spain:

I don't mind descending from Spaniards in part, however I do hold some resentment for historical reasons. To me, the conquest of America was not a "fair conquest" in the sense that 95% of the native population died from diseases, and even then the Spaniards continually did things that kept lowering that already small population. Even in that time, there were ethics that Europeans followed in war and conquest, but the conquest of America was an exception, it was the equivalent of repeatedly stomping a fallen enemy (for example: destroying entire cities, burning thousands of books, unnecesary violence even when they didn't pose a threat, etc). That happened during the first years of the conquest, later on, there were historical figures like Bartolomé de las Casas who defended the natives, and managed to convince the Spanish aristocracy to create laws to protect them (said laws were broken many times though) and with time, they were integrated as citizens of the Spanish crown, even though they were still seen as second class citizens.

It was during this time that both groups started marrying and mixing more than ever before, and where most of today's latinos descend from, ("all latin americans are rapebabies xd" is a meme) but there were many natives that self-segregated and that's why many of them still exist to this day in latin america, way more than in North America. Now criollos (descendants of Spaniards in America) basically kept the caste system going here that had the natives at the bottom of society, also not many people know, but they were the ones that fought for and started the process of latin american independence.

>Of course, in Mexico only exists Cholos and light skinned Aztecs, no ethnic diversity kek
But that's true?

You aren't Native American, stop we wuzzing

With all that said, there have been many massacres, forceful rellocations and even sterilizations of native americans through the years in latin america (any dumbass that says there's no racism here agaisnt indians is retarded btw), that wouldn't be as bad as it sounds but their population even to this day hasn't been able to fully recover their numbers from those first years of conquest I mentioned (even though it is growing, apparently). There's also the fact that it appears that the caste system is still faintly present to this day. For example, the more native someone looks, the more they're likely to be looked down upon by society sometimes, it's veeeery common for latin american media to not use people with a majority native phenotype and instead use European looking people, "indio" is used as an insult in every latin american country too, basically everything relating to natives is mocked, even though we latinos partly descend from them.

And finally, what bothers me the most is that there's not a single Amerindian majority country, I'm a firm believer that the continent should be balkanized to create Amerindian-only countries. Their current state is absolutely our fault now though. Even though natives segregate themselves and many of them are basically stuck culturally in the 16th century, our governments still constantly ignore them with the most basic things (in what I think is an attempt to force them to racemix in order to ascend the social ladder and thus, making them disappear with time) and us, the average latinos (all the mutt variations mixed with Amerindian in different proportions) for falling for the meme that indio=bad instead of finally accepting ourselves for what we are. I guess some latin americans blame Spain because their actions started the things I mentioned.

The indios in the coastal region were excellent merchants and sea-farers. They had extensive trade routes along the pacific coast, From Mexico to Chile. They were also excellent crafters, making figures resembling their people that were quite detailed.
Also, the ecuadorian coast hosted some of the erliest people in Sotuh America to do agriculture, like the Las Vegas culture.
Well, i would hate them too considering what they did to Tenochotitlan

I know I'm not lol just explaining

Hernan cortes married an amerindian she became nobility and their son as well was raised in spain.

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Then why did you start your post by saying
>mostly from the native american perspective
When you aren't one? Do you think you can speak for them?

You dony need to be a native to know what how they have been treated

House of monteczuma is a spanish nobility title

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The criollos took the power after we kicked out Spain, because they weren’t giving us many rights, and since the 13 colonies were in independence mood too, we thought “hey we could do that”
But actually the Spanish colonial system was waaaay better than the British, I guess no one blames the brits since they didn’t mix too much
Still, you are right about the natives. Sadly they are not majority anywhere (I think Bolivia has a lot of Amerindian population, but still I don’t think most than 50%) also Peru and Mexico have a strong Amerindian influence on their culture, more than the rest I think
The damage is sadly done. But how do you wanna create an Amerindian nation these days lol
Well, here in Colombia the State doesn’t interfere with the native minorities (who are below 1% of us) because we actually can do nothing now. The state tries to “protect” their culture and not making them following the actual law, I think

Yeah my bad, didn't mean to phrase it like that, I meant that my post explains some historical issues with native americans in latin america and how I think those issues relate to what OP is asking.

>Do you think you can speak for them?
Nah, in the end it's my opinion.

Here comes trouble

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Latin Americans don't give a shit about us. Shut the fuck up and don't ever put us with them again.

Dad why don't you call us

>flag

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You need to be a Native if you're claiming to speak from a Native's point of view

Im too good looking for that hoe.

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you're so fucking stupid jesus

Alright

THIS. Whenever some autist pulls Spain and Latin Americans together pure cringe comes out.

afaik direct contact between mesoamerica and south america has never been proven so i don't where you're getting this thing about them trading all the way to mexico
>that were quite detailed
pictures?

The iberi mutt

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daddy why don't you love us :(

t. Wh*tey

>Majority of Latinos I know self-identify as Spanish.
chicanos are deluded

i believe it's a nyc thing, they call puerto ricans "spanish"

fuck wh*Tes is the only respectable position in the modern world

>direct contact between mesoamerica and south america has never been proven
Literally how since both Incas and Mesoamericans had access to each other's crops before the conquest? Crops themselves, much like agriculture itself, are man made, so it goes much deeper than local flora and fauna, crops are man made.

Don't Mexicans kinda hate Spain actually? Why would Chicanos identify as Spanish when their siblings across the border would kill them for that?

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Maybe they arent part of the low class arriba wey crowd

We don't. The larper ITT is an obsessed larper who has been on Jow Forums for years. IRL our politicians have always tried to support the Spanish people.

Now, Tejanos (traitor Mexicans living in Tejas) claim to be Spaniards in order to justify their treachery despite the fact that their families haven't been in Spain for over 500 years and were part of Mexico for over 300.

>tfw we genocided all amerindians so we have nothing to be angry about
we love Spanish people because we're Spanish

I really like Spanish. Gracias España.

Most Hispanics in NY aren't Mexican
Cultural transmission along Central America and Colombia

Why do they do that?

An american archeologist told me that when i visited a Manteño culture archeological site. I would give links but i'm on my phone now and also i'm lazy.

they speak spanish

that is literally it

Kinda dumb. I've seen CHI's complain about people calling them Spanish before.

Had no idea they weren't the biggest latino group in NYC, guess I learned something new today.
You guys don't call yourselves Anglos because you speak English, what retarded line of reasoning do they use to reach that conclusion?

I met a black guy from Virginia who said he's half spanish cause his dad was salvadorian.
I think they mistake spanish from hispanic and use both terms interchangeably

yeah, that's it

based and redpilled

that's Americans for you.
If you're 99.9999% white and 0.00001% black you're full on African.
If your Latin you're spanish.
You're only Asian if you have slanted eyes despite Asia having a population of 4 billion people.
And to top it all off arabs are counted as white on the census.

Hilarious.