Do you believe in god?

Yes

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I'm not a faggot

yes, because I'm not a low iq faggot who believes everything just 'happened'.

Agnostics are based there's room for them to hear both sides from theists and atheist.

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No, I don't have that special chromosome.

in case you're believing in any god as described by the various religions you shouldn't call anyone low iq

I wish I still did

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even the lord and savior of the Atheists richard dawkins is a agnostic, he inside knows there's a deity.

also religions that aren't judaism and christianity are nothing but memes.

There is no supernatural being on this universe. He is out torturing and murdering people in a parallel one.

No, because I understand how and why that concept was created.

Yep. There are quite a few Christians here.

lmao as if Atheists were any sort of organized group
and judaism and christianity are memes as well

Unfortunately not. How do I regain my faith from when I was little?
I think it would make my life more bearable to believe in God and the afterlife.

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if god exists he's a cunt
no point in having faith in him

Start reading the Bible and some theology, if you have genuine interest

The lobotomy would do the job.

no

read Kierkegaard

I believe in God Emperor only.

The reason why I'm Christian is how well documented the resurrection is.
from a non-christian view(actually christians didn't exist yet just a handful group of follows christ) there are 20+ sources plus those of roman documents supporting it.

When christ rose from the dead, he completely btfo'd mr. Shekelstein and his cronies. thus the start of the Christian religion. These evidences are real and still haven't been disproved. this is why i argue that every religion that isn't judaism or Christian is nothing but memes.

god doesn't real

lmao where did you learn this, church?

Same as you, but why would he give us an afterlife? As the dutch guy said either some of those old heavy hitters as kierkegaard, or contemporary american philosophers like that reasonable faith guy or the one who came up with the biologos.

>afterlife
desu, I cant believe in christianity because its story is absurdly optimist.

used to be agnostic.

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Nein.

All i did was self reading, lots and lots it was fun and gives you something to discern as you go on.

so if God is truly a loving god like Christianity preaches, why does he allow evil to exist?
If he's truly all powerful like Christianity preaches, could he create a stone heavy enough even he couldn't lift it?
There's tons and tons of logical faults that make this highly unbelievable to me
The rational explenation that it were simply some desert people creating a religion that fit their use seems much more logical to me

Cringe.

Based.

Reading Kierkegaard did nothing for me, except further confirm that nothing matters.

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we did it reddit :)

Faith isn't rational, you're missing the entire point of faith.

>muh evil
Only christians or people with christian upbringing see horror of life as a theological problem.

Did what, friend?
It's not as if it's atypical for Danes to have read Kierkegaard.

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Good lad. Must be great to read it non-translated.

yeah, well the religions people still have faith in claimed (or still claim) to be rational until very recently when most people became educated
no point in having faith in such bs
so what?
if you or your god doesn't think horror is a problem, what's the point in believing in such a gruesome god?

>atheism was soviet union's biggest problem

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If there was a God he would've told me desu.

I do believe in god.
I don't believe in the people that make up his various churches

Well, maybe some people are just genetically less able to believe .
>nothing matters
Schopenhauer was a pretty pessimistic atheist/agnostic. But he liked bhuddism. If you arent a faggot about eastern stuff as most westeners are (I cant get it myself and didnt look into it much) then maybe you find something there.

We create our own suffering, by using my own free will let's say i go on a murder spree i managed to kill a few people their relatives suffer for their loss of a loved one and might blame God that why did such a thing happen to them? when ultimately it's just my own doing i created their suffering not God.
The police won't arrest God they'll come looking for me. God is fair to everyone but he'll judge you when you die.
Like he says he lets the sun shine on the righteous and the wicked he lets the rain drop also on the heads of the righteous and the wicked. the Christ-God is the proof. God will not be taunted by ''if God's so powerful why cant he do x''. We need to stop blaming God for the injustices we caused each other.

Yes but I'm not religious
God can be everything, if we live in a simulation then God can be the simulation itself

Yes, I believe Allah and Siva.

What? You want to think as a child again, so you need to make your intellectual capacity child-like.

>what is the point
Your servitude to something infinitivly greater that gives you dignity through slavery if you are muslim.
A great leader who made the world imperfect but gave you all the tools to overcome it and remake it as you see fit in partnership with him if you are a jew.
The greek pagans had a lot of views, in some gods were guarants of virtue which is the only godly thing you can bring in this world in the face of suffering/horror so it would be foolish not to.
I could say something about hindus but i dont know enough.

Yes

what about cancer or babies born with horrible diseases? God's almighty, right, so why does he do that to innocent children?
good explanation
tho I don't believe it's necessary to have an illogical belief in some unproven god to be able to be humble and behave morally

actually delving into the philosophical and theological aspects of religion instead of just showing up to mass every week and expecting it to return
I was agnostic till I had to do a mandatory religion unit at my catholic university, and what I learnt brought my faith back

>God's almighty, right, so why does he do that to innocent children?
He's evil and like hate children. That's right in the bible.

People who critisize christianity for there being human vice are not very thoughtful.
But what shook people were the things that happened without any wrongdoing of men. Birth defects back then got explained by witches and demons exerting their corrupting influence on the material world they are allowed to act in since the rebellion of satan, but stuff like this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1755_Lisbon_earthquake
Disturbed people and left them discontend, christianity seems to struggle with it still.

Can't say that I do

No.

>what about cancer or babies born with horrible diseases? God's almighty, right, so why does he do that to innocent children?
the idea is that suffering is what drives society to improve
life on earth is what we make it and suffering is what motivates us to improve the quality of life for everyone. St Paul said that Jesus learned obedience through what he suffered”. His faith in God was tempered by suffering

even atheists agree with this. I remember Satre saying that it was through anguish that man became aware of their freedom

No, but I wish I could find a good reason to. The same thing applies to any spiritual or supernatural things. It would make life more exciting and give it some meaning.

ok, fair enough, but if God is almighty and all knowing, why didn't he create us to improve without suffering? Is he a sadist?

cringe

comes back to original sin basically

>Is he a sadist?
Yes

That's not a healthy pass time. If you really want some excitement, just go hiking or visit a place you've never been to. I'm sure there's somewhere in your region that you've had your eyes on.

>ilogical
Well it often is very logical if you are ready to accept some basic premises out of blind faith.
There being nothing at all is also an assumption afterall that has not been logically deduced yet. There are plenty of believers in the sciences.
>I dont believe its necessary
Well, its proven that people need rituals and orthodoxy of some kind to develope their ingroup feelings. Anthropology and shit, we are hardwired in some ways afterall. "high"Religions manage or at least try to extend your love for the ape-pack you know on all apes there are as much as you can allow yourself to.
International politics with all their backstabbing and hard interest plays show how groups behave if there is no common contract that is followed because you think you cannot cheat around it, or should not at least. And these people up there are very intelligent afterall and wield great power, so its hard to imagine we are so competent ourselves all alone.

which is a rather shoddy story.
Petersons explanation of sapience/introsperspection making thoughtful evil possible would be a mechanism that while logical is not in our power and had been set up by creation.

>suffering is what motivates us to improve quality of life for everyone
Not much you can improve on a child with glassbones or people with impaired brains. Our behaviour being partly steered by biology and having inherently violent roots does not help much too.
npr.org/2013/05/01/180096559/criminologist-believes-violent-behavior-is-biological?t=1531402358598

Some people believed executions bred these genes out in orderly and totalitarian societies for populations such as europeans and chinese. (while tribal amazonians still got a lot of them.) If that is how we have to improve the world then god should sending us a mission of love and uncast stones would need some further explanation.

'haha im just gonna reply ''CRINGE'' haha xD'

We are made in the image of God and the devil wanted to make a mockery of it, that's why original sin.

cringe

If god is almighty, why doesn't he simply eradicate the devil?

God's not real honey

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Yeah

>the devil wanted to make a mockery of it
Could you expand on that?
Would your interpretation be that us being easily tempted into sin and our flesh being faulty be satans doing to spite god while only our mental/ego "stuff"or soul is made in gods image?

>Well it often is very logical if you are ready to accept some basic premises out of blind faith.
How is it logical if you have to rely on baseless assumptions?
Also ofc I can't say there's nothing and no god, but to me it doesn't look like there is one either
And again, I don't believe religion is necessary for altruism, you can also turn your argument around and see what evils were done in the name of religion. It's just another way of separating us from them.

No one really knows exactly, but my take on it is that when adam and eve were casted out God hated them for being tempted. Their descendants(us) stained forever, but the devil i think is God's way of punishing wicked souls so instead of doing it himself, the devil does it since the devil hates God he'd be happy to torture those who comes in his image. But my answer to this question is in no way close to truth it's just my take on it. It's a rather interesting question i might read stuff about it.

Lucifer was God's high ranking angel and i think his favorite(might look into it).
He got so full of himself and thinks he's better, so he got casted out along with those who followed him. And when we were made we were pure free of sin, but because we were pure and trusting we trusted the devil and eve ate the fruit of knowledge. But yeah eve was tempted and thus all went downhill from there.
He did it to spite him to mock his most precious creation which is us.

>Baseless
Maybe but its convenient. We cant life completely logical in anything like computers, If I would id be rich and famous by now.
Maybe you can circumvent all that annoying irrationality that we crave since birth by becoming pic related in the far future, but thats not for everyone.

sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/human-sacrifice-may-have-helped-societies-become-more-complex

>its just another way to seperate us from them
Brought us to places though. If life in an egalitarian hunter gathere society is preferrable in a stratified one that enjoys the fruits of common labour depending on your class, caste and input is your decision.
But while such a state/social construct always has the capability for cruelity and opression by design (see atheist totalitarian states) bringing in religion introduces an authority and hope for justice after death that might at times be coopted by the state, but might as well counter its excesses. This will be espeacially important in the future when we tap into AI, social engineering and genetic altering.

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no
the proposition that there is a "god" is an inherently ridiculous one that's only debated because of our forefathers
nothing wrong with believing in one, but to me it just seems absurd

If you call the elemental forces god, yes. They are everywhere and created everything.

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A FUCKING ENVELOPE

How did they create everything? They are the supporters of reality now, but it's not like they were around before spacetime

Also, them "god" is like calling a rules "god". They hold things together, but aside from their own natural properties they don't have a will of their own as an abstract concept

Unfortunately i can't stay as it's almost midnight here, there's lots of articles with resources from good theology books. Don't bother reading non-Christian theology as it's mostly glorified yoga tier shit.

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Yea..
But you have to know what "us" means by now in this modern age. We now know that our behavior is partly dictated by biology. Tabula rasa/humans being blank slates on birth has been disproven so our flesh and the chemicals and genes that impact our thinking (including our drive to sin) cannot be gods image or it would be a multifaced and flawed one.
Some modern protestants say we had a perfect body in edens garden which degenerated since its seperation from god, but then you also have to swallow creationism which brings a lot of troubles with it to defend.
If you strip away all that makes "us" and is material (chems, hormones, genes) and hope that something still remains after done so (I hope too) you would have a soul/"us" that can be called an image of god.
What properties such an "us" would have that allow it to make a concious decision that is wrong and marks the beginning of us living in this world seems complex to think about : /
Is a bit of rambling at the moment. What im saying is that the traditional takes on those stories need to be re-told by people who are more knowledgable. The catholic church probably already funds such modern theology. Would need to read more myself about that idk.

That's a complicated question. It depends on what you mean by "God".

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Yeah, there are some interesting groups around like the biologos foundation.

>glorified yoga-tier
All those western Sri-rama dingdongsn who spend some years in india can be ignored with good conscience. But I wouldnt be unwilling to looking at what people have to say who were born in eastern beliefs and choose to adress a nonchristian or english speaking audience.

Anyway, have a good night if you grew tired by now!

Not really. If there is one he doesn't do fuck all as far as I can see.

Yes, I do

If there is a god, he would have contacted us to remove confusion from the world

Based and redpilled

Nope. The concept of god requires a fuckton of mental gymnastics. God is an irrelevant concept.

That would be too easy. If he was always there for everyone to see without looking then of course most people would be pious. It would influnce their free will and be pretty much besides the point of the whole thing.
Either that or he's just a creator. There are plenty of other ways you could explain his apparent abscence if you move outside the scope of typical Abrahamic dogma

if god is omnipotent, why did he let his own creation rebel against him?

why does god care about some planet in bumfuck nowhere?

I could have been born in some remote african land where theres "idol worship" etc.. am I doomed to hell because some aramaic jewish guy didnt show up and die for my sins near me? If i never heard of god, am I supposed to suffer for not knowing?

if there is a god. why does he need constant acknowledgement from people?

that said, some depictions of heaven seem pretty cool. but everything you could ever want might get boring after a while.

If god is real and wants us to know he is here, he would have told us, otherwise how could we even know which one of all of these religions gods he is. he wouldn't punish us if he is just.
If he is real and don't want us to know, then why would we care.

>he would have told us,
Well apparently he has multiple fuckin times m8, at least according to Abrahamic religions. Do you expect him to come in for a chat every five minutes? Like I said that would defeat the purpose.
>If he is real and don't want us to know, then why would we care.
IF that's the case (in which case abrahamic religion is wrong) then it's up to you to care or not, really.
Buddhists dont care for example but still have an interesting moral code, in fact they consider the question of Gods existence irrelevant.

>Do you expect him to come in for a chat every five minutes?
I didn't say that, he should have came in the last two centuries when we got cameras and shit to prove he is really there to all of us and next generations.
what is his purpose ? to let people guess and then punish them for guessing wrong ?

And buddhists are wasting their time, i will be honest i don't know what they think other than that there is a moral code and a need to meditate, but for what reason ? if god dosen't care then fucking do whatever you want in life.

blessed is he who does not see but still believes

bhuddists believe that when you die you reincarnate as something else if you haven't done all the virtues or something like that. the less virtuous you are the lower down you are reincarnated. they dont kill animals because they believe they are also reincarnations of people trying to achieve nirvana, which is basically freedom from the samsara(rebirth, change etc.)

>i believe everything came from an explosion nothing
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How would god be just if he punishes me for not believing because i couldn't see ?

why waste your time with something no one proves? scientists are constantly discovering new things and not a single thought of god, or a higher power goes through their minds when they observe them