The Finnish Gods

Rauno, Ahti, Ilmar are all common names here.

south slavic:
Božić - christmas, Bog -god, Božić - small god - a remain of Svarog- god of the sun, and Svarožić - small sun, the winter solstice

hawk/eagle/peacock and the snake/dragon - probably the same as perun and veles

Ivo/Ivan/Jovan and Mara - "John and Mary" - a brother and sister that mary each other, probably the children of Perun

Lelya or Perunika - Perun's wife

Jura Zeleni - "green George" - the god of spring

Koleda - the goddess of new year and fertility, the same as Koliada

Dodol - the god of rain

Lado - probably Dionysos

Dabog - the god of earth or the underworld and material wealth

Hromi Daba - probably the same as Hors Dažbog

Vila/Samovila/Samodiva - female nymph or elf or fairy

Why are so many Finnic deities taken from Indo-Europeans? Seems a bit odd that these ancient Finnics would be so willing to worship foreign gods.

>Seems a bit odd that these ancient Finnics would be so willing to worship foreign gods.
Only weird if you a Vargtard, cultures were always in exchange and influenced each other. Some Greek gods may be Assyrian ones, or how Rome incorporated Deities from conqoured folks.

I suppose Finns took Indo-European deities somewhere between 2000 years ago to 1000 years ago and worshipped even older Finnish deities 2000 - 6000 years ago

which of them is indo european except Thurisaz?

The "Tavastian god list" was made by a 16th century clergyman trying to fit Finnish nature spirits into an Indo-European style pantheon. Of course Finnic people had been influenced by their neighbors before that and Ukko for example is pretty clearly a thunder god imported from Balts and Scandicucks.

grug like smal word

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Ukko, Tuuri, Taara, possibly Rauni and Peko

op just compared their functions to some other deities, that doesn't mean they are borrowed

Those ones are, though.

Nope.

First you'd need to prove that they are originally indo-european deities which is almost impossible.

t. Samishit in denial

There are no sources surviving from the time Finland was actually pagan so they're probably made up.

Ukko = Perkele?

LOL WOT, in eastern finland there is recorded worship until the 19th centure.

Are you dumb or something.

>he demands a scientific study from the academy of grugology from 10 AD

What is oral tradition?

Some keeping some folk elements alive =/= paganism being alive.

No but 12th century or so around the time you were getting Christianized would be good enough.

What paganism was very much alive.

Have ever even read a history book about finland in finnish? Doubts.

>Odin
>God of thunder
???

>What is oral tradition?
Something that survives around 3 generations until it gets "dilluted". Should have written stuff down.

Shut the fuck up retard, paganism wasn't alive in 19th century nowhere in Europe other than maybe some fucking Saami shit nomads up in north who hadn't seen civilized world. As I said people being superstitious and keeping folk tradition somewhat alive doesn't equal it to being full blown uninterrupted paganism before Christianization.

You know so little about the history of finnish kainuu and lapland, sami/finnish peoples that you should just shut up. Why are you raging about things that you have no idea about?

Fucking balts I swear, get an education.

And you seem to think some oral tradition and folk sayings equal it to being paganism. If so you could fucking argue most of Europe was pagan until relatively recent times. That's like saying everyone is pagan in Europe because they celebrate midsummer's eve. Or that some hags in country side who keep grass snakes as pets in their because it brings good luck as pagans.

You're a retard.

>other than maybe some fucking Saami shit nomads up in north
nah we forced them to convert to christianity very early, they are still religious as fuck

Forgot your original God before you got Sven'd. Tenggeri

west slavic:
Svantevit/Svetovid - god of 4 sides of the world, supreme diety
Chernobog/Chernoglav - black god, black headed - underworld
Rugievit- unknown
Porevit- unknown
Porenut - Perun?
Marzanna/Morana - godess of winter
Dziewanna - related to the Roman Diana
Jarilo - god of vegetation, fertility and springtime
Jarovit/Gerovit/Davor -god of war

All I have to say now is: read a book. Might be a new concept for your little baltic brain but try it.

Christianity mostly was a "civic enforced duty" and every big town/ village would have these christian overseers and mandatory church ceremonies but the reality was wildly different in everyday life.

Get a grip now. Stop with the flaming.

>that flag
>this post
very nice

So far you've presented no arguments to support your claim about paganism being well and alive in 19th century other hurr durr read a book. Burden of proof is on you, not me, to prove that paganism was alive in 19th century Finland.

>but the reality was wildly different in everyday life.
t. Varg

And where is that god from whom the word "Perkele" then went?
I'm not wrong anywhere?

Only after the reformation and the bible being translated to finnish ( ultimately creating written finnish) was it that the faith was born. Atleast up until that and mostly well after it also church was just a "duty". People would show up piss drunk and sleep at church. There was a person that had the job of hitting the people who were loud or nodding of to sleep.

It had very little to do with actual religion. The religion practiced was paganism.

Like why won't you read a book, christianity was just colonial rule not something internalized and practiced by the people.

Perkele comes from baltic Perkunas which comes from slavic Perun.
some think that it's the same as Ukko.

The church ceremonies were also in latin. This meaning that the people could only look at the paintings and stuff to feel scared but they knew nothing about the concepts of god etc. christianity has.

Taara is the only god by the way.

Why would Perkunas come from Perun when Balts are an older people than Slavonoids?

Good question and following why would perkele come from perkunas when finns are older than the balts?

>Perkele comes from baltic Perkunas which comes from slavic Perun.

No it doesn't retardo. Perkūnas comes from PIE Perkwunos not Slavic Perun, letter K didn't appear magically out of nowhere.

Perun is from a different root.

So basically as everywhere else. There are recordings of some peasants holdings festivities to Ukko as late as 17th century but that's about it. Finland wasn't pagan in 19th century.

gr8 b8 m8

>when finns are older than the balts?

Finns are Iron age population.

All people were created from Nords

The whole of finland ofcourse wasn't I've never said that. I said that paganism was alive and practiced up until the 19th century which is true.

Both with the sami and in the kainuu/koillismaa regions of Finland.

Don't get into arguments with people that actually know what they talk about kid.

So are Lithuanians

LOL now this is rich coming from a baltti. Why don't you just go home now and leave the debates to the adults?

Wrong.

Bronze age Balts are genetically the same as modern Balts.

While population of Finland well into medieval times didn't even resemble Finns.

>
The Finnish population has long been a subject of interest for the fields of medical and population genetics, due to its isolation-affected genetic structure and the associated unique set of inherited diseases. Recent advances in ancient DNA techniques now enable the in-depth investigation of Finland's demographic past: the impact of migrations, trade and altering livelihood practices. Here we analyse genome-wide data from over 30 individuals, representing ten archaeological burial sites from southern Finland, that span from the 5th to 19th century. We find the historical individuals to differ genetically from Finns today. Comparing them with surrounding ancient and modern populations, we detect a transition from genotypes generally connected with prehistoric hunter-gatherers, and specifically resembling those of the contemporary Saami people, into a more East-Central European composition, associated with the established agricultural lifestyle. Starting from the Iron Age and continuing through the Early Medieval period, this transition dates remarkably late compared to the respective changes in most regions of Europe. Our results suggest a population shift, presumably related to Baltic and Slavic influences, also manifested in the archaeological record of the local artefacts from the late Iron Age. Our observations also agree with the archaeological models of relatively recent and gradual adoption of farming in Finland.

There's also no haplogroup N found until Iron Age.

>I said that paganism was alive and practiced up until the 19th century which is true.

It isn't, no matter how much larp it won't make i true. Some anecdotal evidence that Church sermons were held in Latin as it pretty much everywhere before Protestantism doesn't equal it to being proof that population was pagan.

>Bronze age Balts are genetically the same as modern Balts.
Nope. They had higher WHG. Maybe there's more continuity than with Finland from 500 BC but you're still a recent mix. BA Lithunian natives also didn't have haplogroup N.

Slovenian mythology
Nikrmana - the supreme goddess, which created everything
Velika Mati - Mother earth
Kresnik - the god of fire
Vesna - godess of Spring
Belin - god of light and health
Kurent - dionysus
Triglav - three headed god

nobody cares about slavshit """"mythology"""" lmao

>tfw literally no record of Hungarian paganism
>tfw this means that we were Christians from the begining
Jesus rules

You are just rambling now. Go back to the library and study a bit. I recommend looking into the village life of kainuu and lapland in the 15-19th century for starters.

You obviously have no idea of what you trying to talk about. Especially starting with the desperate haplo shit.

Vitun baltit, aina yhtä tyhmiä. Miniryssiä, sama kansa eri kieli heillä.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_paganism

what about TENGRI ?

Go home Finnshit

thanx for the "Yuo" fren!

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we have very little of our paganism saved either, but it's not so bad because the skandis saved lots of theirs and it was basically the same thing

Finns in Norway are home. Norway was founded by Nórr son of the Finnish king Fornjót(Kaukomieli~Farmind).

it's the same with slavs and balts

>Nope. They had higher WHG.

Only some samples, not all and even then it was a difference of a few percent.

>BA Lithunian natives also didn't have haplogroup N.

You're right, but in whatever shape or from N showed up in didn't alter genetic composition of Balts.

Come back when you have facts or cite actual studies and no anecdotes.

>You obviously have no idea of what you trying to talk about. Especially starting with the desperate haplo shit.

I'm perfectly aware of what I'm trying to talk about.

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This is actually true somewhat. Look at the start of "kaupang" its literally finnish people starting a kauppapaikka which then became kaupunki, and further diluted kaupang.

Could someone please give me a basic chronology of Finnic + Sami migrations into the Baltic region? From what I understand Samis began expanding into Finland from around 1000 BC and then Finnics moved into the Gulf of Finland region in the Iron Age before moving into Finland around the turn of the millenium.

t. needs this information for something I'm doing

And Swedes in Finland are home because Finland was founded by Swedes

Sure you are. Sure you are. Pretty educated with imaginary baltic culture and stuff you seem. Nice. Thumbs up for you.

That's Larping
Sames. We only have two or three pagan stories, if they are real pagan stories. Most written records says that "and those pagans did pagan stuff." All Hungarian paganism is larping as Turkic pagans.

Also the majority of pagan stuff were recorded by Christian scholars, who were educated in Chritian and Greco-Roman mithologies. So I firmly believe that they just wrote fanfiction based on Roman and Jewish gods.

Wot? Are you drunk now? Have ever read a book even?

That's roughly correct but there's similarities in archeological culture between Finland and Estonia(axes and pottery) before the accepted date of Finnish language arrival to Finland from Estonia so even if present day Finnish has later origins in Estonia it doesn't mean there wasn't a Baltic Finnic presence early on.

And for example.

Baltic_IA ancestry N haplogroup, from 3-5th century Lithuania.

Baltic_BA_Turlojiske,94.6
Latvia_MN,5.4

If you replace Baltic_BA with modern Lithuania.

Lithuanian,92.2
Latvia_MN,7.8

Virtually same shit. Well within modern variance and difference of a few % in populations.

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go back to the topic and give us some baltic gods

Here we go with the schizo balt. He is in to the haplogroups!

LOL

Thanks

It's true and you know it

isn't it the opposite? before hungarians were considered to be turkic, but nowadays the finno ugric theory is benig pushed for politiacl reasons?

Do you have anything to add other than butthurt?

Baltic-Finnic population probably appeared in Estonia with the Tarand graves in Estonia in Iron age and from there it spread to Finland. There's an upcoming study from Estonians coming about Tarand graves, they already said they found earliest N among them.

They are filthy turks mixed with slavshits just like other b*Lkanese

are baltic peoples R1a settlers who mixed with the N1c natives?

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Did Sweden create these Gods?

R1a appeared here earlier with the Corded Ware culture around 2900BC. N1c arrived in Lithuania/Latvia specifcally probably after 0AD as it's not found here before. In Estonia/Finland probably starting around Late Bronze/Iron Age.

Odin created Swedes, and Swedes created the rest.

Why are Christians so butthurt

What ever makes you feel nice then. I see that you are one those people that disregard actual evidence and construct theories just to suit their needs.

Good luck with your endeavours m8, but the truth of things is already much research and plain. Sami and the finns can be considered indegenous, they came much much before any lithuanian language or people was even born. For this we have tons of evidence.

Wrong. Only Swedes, Norwegians and Danes are indigenous to the North.

>. Sami and the finns can be considered indegenous, they came much much before any lithuanian language or people was even born. For this we have tons of evidence.

HAHAHAHAHA

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Topcringe. How come you speak an Indo-European language then?

I mean, rural Christianity was pretty folklore as well. There were people who believed Jesus was Väinämöinen's son lol

People can adopt a language.

Hahaha no the delinquents where sent north from germany which is your homeland. You are in the same language group too. Its pretty obvious that you came in later on.

xaxaxaxaxa

What ever makes you sleep at night but the facts are at my side.

Baltic culture is later than finnic, for this we have actual objects and burial mounds to prove.

Maybe they don't teach you this in school.