Euro style of """negotiating"""

Based EU
Seething greekcuck

>chimp out
>expect to keep all the benefits and none of the duties
>pretend to be shocked the EU doesn't want that despite the fact that's it's common knowledge to absolutely everyone, try to stall and bicker your way towards a better deal
>the EU still won't say "no" outright and gives subtle praise so you can save face and keep your government intact, preventing your country from falling into total chaos
>WAAAAH DEM MERKELS BE OPPRESIN US

>"We're leaving!"
>"Brexit means Brexit"
>after 2 years, still haven't produced a usable proposal
>baaaawwwww the EU doesn't know how to negotiate

Not the person you are asking but I see two main reasons:
>A lot of European countries have been pretty fucked up until recently, the South by Juntas and the East by gommies, so they are unironically seen as good governance in comparison
>It's a generational thing: The younger generation have grown up with the Euro and all the trappings and get taken in by the propaganda. Once they have done their Erasmus and Interrail and get a job they will grow out of it.

I really dont want to pass a border checkpoint when driving to the netherlands. especially on my way back with weed. also it seems to largely serve the interests of my country.

I know this is b8 but I'll bite
Britain have made countless proposals all of which are rejected outright
The EU has not negotiated at all, let alone in good faith, just said this is our position, take it or leave it.
Their position is untenable with ours. Them asking NI to stay within the SM/CU is the same as us saying there should be a border between Ireland and the rest of the EU instead. It's retarded and a non-starter.

Germany exports most of its products via Rotterdam, it's one of the busiest ports in the world IIRC

The EU bailing out greek banks is the only reason you greekcucks aren't whoring yourselves out to Turkey or China yet.

The original goal of the EU was (and still is) to finally end the inter-European wars that plagued Europe for 2000 years.
It seemed an impossible task, yet succeeded.

People who either know (or remember, for the old ones) this deem it a major success.
The ignorant ones are easy prey for the "EU has enslaved you" rethoric used by some politicians like Farage and Le Pen.

What the member countries contribute is tiny, typically 1% of their GDP.
So even assuming the Brussels clique steal all of this (far from true), it's still an excellent deal because between this 1% and about 1% spent on the defense budget, it's a far cry from the 40% spent on defense by many European countries in 1917 (which still didn't prevent millions of deaths and considerable material damage).
The EU reduced military spending by more than tenfold while guaranteeing no lost wars.
In contrast, ex-Yugoslav countries were wracked by several wars - with the exception of Slovenia, which had joined the EU before.

t. Moishe
We will get our revenge against austerity and authoritarian leadership you dirty kikes

>also it seems to largely serve the interests of my country
Traitors will get the bullet first
Just because of DUDE WEED LMAO you agree with our ethnic replacement and the death of an old continent, disgusting leftie trash

A lot of propaganda since the last two decades, basically the same methods as in the USSR
The ((politicans)) in Brussels learned their things in Frankfurt school

>Britain have made countless proposals all of which are rejected outright

Because all of them were "we're leaving, so give us money and benefits or we'll leave"
Perhaps this makes sense to the English mind, but it doesn't to the French mind.

I have a job, a gf, I study and I eat healthy and go out. Why the fuck would I spend my time being angry about a supernational government body?

shut the fuck up. I am not a leftie. do you think the eu caused the migrant crisis? without it merkel or an equivalent would have the same refugees welcome bullshit going on.

>yet succeeded.
No

>This is your brain on neoliberal msm junk
Not really. It's more let us leave please.

None of your proposals were 'let us leave please' because in all of them you begged to remain part of the common market.

>this is our position, take it or leave it

The EU position is as per Lisbon Treaty ; in the UK, the European Union (Amendment) Bill was debated in the House of Commons on 21 January 2008, and passed its second reading that day by a vote of 362 to 224.

The Treaty entered into force on 1 December 2009 and now you're making proposals incompatible on a treaty you signed and was voted by a large majority by your Parliement several years ago.

Of course you're not going to take anything else that's what in the existing treaties...

>The EU reduced military spending by more than tenfold while guaranteeing no lost wars.
That's because the Americans station their troops here. If us army withdraws them you'll have to build an actual army.

EU has nothing to do with preventing wars in e*rope or establishing peace there. NATO and presence of American troops all over e*rope is what preventing wars and military conflicts.

They're purposely making it as difficult as possible to punish us and show the other countries that leaving=bad and also to stall for time in the hopes that a second referendum happens and the remainers win.

It's not very different from the US model except we have way more political parties and laws.

>That's because the Americans station their troops here
We don't have any American troops "here". We even pulled out of NATO for about 40 years (before rejoining I don't know why exactly).

>you'll have to build an actual army
it is beggarly I'll grant you that, because of lack of funding, but we do have an actual army, including an independant nuclear deterrence force.

What is there to negotiate? The white paper was already dead on arrival since the ERG pushed its amendments through the commons that negated it.

Can someone tell what the fuck the UK government did during these 2 years?

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Salty euros basically jealous of us leaving

And what are you people doing? Your politics is in shambles and your government might collapse any day now.
None of this is the doing of the EU, unless you blame the EU for not just accepting any retarded demands you people make.

Panic and squabble amongst themselves. For whatever reason they never thought we'd actually vote to leave the EU and had no plans whatsoever.

Yes it does. Ask your dad or read a book.
The electric grids of western europe countries are interlocked, for instance (sometimes a power plant in Germany is activated to utlimately sell power to Spain via the French grid).
And how do you make war with a country which has the same currency as you and no physical borders?

Plus, with the Eurocorps, there are German regiments stationed in France and French regiments stationed in Germany. Quite a mess if a war starts.

Seems so

'Shambles' is a huge exaggeration really.
>your government might collapse any day now
They've been saying that every day the past few weeks.

>They're purposely making it as difficult as possible to punish us

They're not "purposely" making anything at all.
There's a procedure for leaving the EU and so far, none of your proposals were compatible with it. So of course they won't be accepted...

Hell, at one point you asked to cop out of the what, 60 billion € you owed to the EU? we *should* make you a gift of 60 billion? or we're inflexible?

lol

Cling to power mostly. The opposition leader has been doing the same thing but Labour don't squabble publicly like the conservative party does.

They cannot agree upon anything. Nothing May comes up with will be accepted. I don't see how they are not in shambles.
There isn't a single proposal the UK can make to the EU that will get a majority in the commons.

We're declaring war on France when we leave the EU btw

>your government might collapse any day now
Not him, but it won't.
It will happen in September.

Of course France isn't Germany tier but that still doesn't mean that there's a functioning, unified and battle worthy euro army.
When it comes to defense most is centered around Americans

>September
lolno. May will hold on until March because nobody wants to be the "Brexit PM".

Say it does collapse in September, what will happen next? Obviously Labour will win, but say Alexander de Pfeffel becomes the new PM and goes for a hard brexit. Now suddenly the sides within the conservative party have switched and they still won't be able to get anything done.

But they are. They're deepthroating Xi as we speak.

>Can someone tell what the fuck the UK government did during these 2 years?

They've been dreaming. They believed their own propaganda that the EU would collapse following Brexit so they thought we would "beg for their help".
Now they're becoming to wake up because there's only a few months left before they're out of the EU with no deal at all.

So it is our way or the highway. Why won't the e""""u"""" just declare it instead of this bs """"negotiation"""" crap? It's ridiculous.

The UK already begged for 2 more years of negotiations, which they got. Nothing happens in March.
""""why??"""" do """"you"""" post """like""" th*s???

>Brits do something dumb
>It doesn't go well
>wtf Europe how could you do this to us

>Nothing May comes up with will be accepted
They accepted the chequers bill even with the resignations of Davis and Boris. David Davis leaving is pretty bad though ngl that's going to cock things up. May has changed her policy due to the pro brexit torys slightly. You're getting swept up in the pro EU media making a fuss out of everything mate, politics is politics.

I presume it's being reported on a lot in the Netherlands?

>And how do you make war with a country which has the same currency as you and no physical borders?
Simple. You go to trade war.

t.eastern euro

>Can someone tell what the fuck the UK government did during these 2 years?

Panic, mostly, then pray that everything was going to work out well and the EU would give Britain a sweetheart deal.

>We're declaring war on France when we leave the EU btw

Cool! a glorious tradition revived! that will be what, the 22nd war between us?
I believe we were leading 9-6, with 6 draws?

>I presume it's being reported on a lot in the Netherlands?
Yes of course it is. Britain is a big economic partner and nobody is looking for a split between Europe and the UK.
Our government already asked the UK to be reasonable but so far nothing came from it.

We bailed corrupt and failed euro banks. Go die.

Pipe down, Kosmo.

The UK is entirely to blame for the problems with Brexit.

Theresa May is stuck. She doesn't want to stay in the customs union; she can't give Northern Ireland a special trading status without alienating the DUP who she depends on for a majority in the parliament; and she can't allow a hard border with Ireland without breaking the Good Friday Agreement and all but ensuring Irish reunification. She's in an impossible position and instead of backing down and just staying in the customs union she's gone in circles for nearly 2 years now.

All the EU have done is support the interests of their members.

Mogg gets into power, basically 'suspends' further negotiating with the EU, Hard Brexit and hard border in Norther Ireland are implemented, followed by the biggest European civil disobedience campaign since the independence of the Baltic states and re-ignited troubles. Economical recession used a pretense for further erosion of the welfare state.

This is the most likely scenario right now.

Good luck, Greek patriot.

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It signifies irony?

We leave in March, the following 21 months is a transition period. The change is Brexit can't be cancelled after March.

Aren't there quite a few Dutch eurosceptics?

>So it is our way
>our way

It is the "EU" way. Including the UK (as of today).
Again, as per treaties that everyone, including the UK, ratified years ago. After vote in their House of Commons, in the UK's case (passed 362 to 224).

t. pavel the toilet cleaner who doesnt want to go back

You didn't bail out anything. How can you, when you have no money?

>hurr durr

>This is the most likely scenario right now.
Mogg is an imageboard meme
During the transition period all but the EU membership of Britain will still be in effect. If during these 21 months Britain decides they want to remain inside the common market, the end result will be no significant difference whatsoever.
They all died in the last few years when our economy starting working again. It was only a big thing during the crisis of 2008-2012

umm no sweetie

It's hilarious how angry the poles here are after brexit

Mogg is basically prime minister in all but in name at this point. May gave in to all of the ERG's demands.

>FUCKING BRITPAKIS POLAND IS BASED AND WHYYYYTE BASED POOLAND
*4 million of them flood here to lick shite off our toilet bowl for pennies*

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>Mogg is an imageboard meme

The Tories are a meme party at this point.

>Mogg getting anywhere near power
Please stop believing everything on Jow Forums

They should just drop all attempts at getting into the market and make a normal free trade agreement with the EU like Canada or Japan, anything else but hard brexit will cause a revolution in the Tory party anyway and then we can do it all over again.

If Mogg were to run for PM, just like BoJo, only some sheltered right wingers will vote for him. He lacks the mass appeal (or rather he lacks controversy) to actually win a nation wide vote.

Who will clean the toilets once Pavel has left?

Top-tier Switzerland being compared with shit-tier Ukraine

I'm irritated

If not Mogg, then who?

Possibly Give, but even then Mogg would have him like a puppet on a string.

>It's more let us leave please.

you WILL leave, that much is certain. If no deal is found, you'll be out by March, 29, and start out with World Trade Organization deals (unless you want to leave the WTO too, in which case.

Back in 2010 it was called bailing out Greece. In reality the only thing they bailed was their corrupt and failed banks who got hit hard by the 2008 crisis.

Mogg doesn't need to win an general election to become PM. He just needs to win a Tory party leadership election.

Love how yuropoors squirm between saying we wont leave and will have to stay and we will leave and they dont want us back haha

you're in SHAMBLES

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Your banks, Papodopolos.

Fix your eyes, Muhammad, I'm clearly right at home.

Projecting.

Shame you can't say that for your friends and family and most of your country

That's true but in that scenario like I earlier said the same thing happening to May will happen in reverse with the less conservative Tories revolting against him and Labour staying in opposition.
From what I've gathered May her strength is being non-controversial to the point she is the least bad choice.
The Netherlands and Dutch people have always been very open about our desire to see the UK not leave the EU, and want to see any deal made to be like the one with Norway or Switzerland.
But nobody is going to accept some 'have our cake and eat it too' type of deal.

>If Mogg were to run for PM
They don't need a GE and Mogg is the most popular candidate for a leadership challenge according to internal polling, he'd beat any other challenger.

Gove and Javid are bookies favourites plus they are rumoured to be building support for a challenge along with Hunt.

The only people who want that deal you are describing are the (((Governent))) and remoaners who didn't even want to leave anyway

No. It is the e""""u"""" demands and ultimatums and only that. There can be no negotiation between unequal parts. Greece has shown that and now Brexit makes it even clearer and visible.

>will have to stay

you won't stay - you can't.
There is a procedure for leaving the EU, you activated it (2 years ago), it was acknowledged right away (as per the treaties, which the EU respects).

The negotiations are about HOW you want to leave, not IF you'll leave.
And since the treaties wanted to prevent drawn-out negotiations, there's a delay before everything stops. In this case, it's March, 29.

The only way the UK can be in the EU in the future again is by re-applying and getting membership status again. So you'd have to decide a "Britin" which is the reverse of "Brexit" I suppose.

BoJo was the most popular candidate until he actually ran. How people respond to polls is different to how they actually vote, people should know this by now.

Those people include a significant part of the Tory party, which already lacks a majority and a big chunk of the opposition.

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Knock knock, mini-Turkey. It's the day of the rope.

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>The original goal of the EU was (and still is) to finally end the inter-European wars that plagued Europe for 2000 years.
>It seemed an impossible task, yet succeeded.
no it fucking didn't
democracy did