The great debate

Humanity trends urban.

I'm so happy I get the best of all three worlds in ONE.

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Suburban

Depends on the city or suburb, not everywhere is like the new world with nothing but sky scrapers in a small centre and massive sprawl of nothing but houses for miles surrounding

I'm more of a city guy but being from Alabama I definitely appreciate the awesomeness of rural living and rednecking it.

Suburbia is just shit though; shit tons of hidden expenses and time drains, and it ended up killing American cities.

In my wildest dreams, developers in the future will build cozy villages in our rural parts. Because we still have cookie-cutter 'burbs in rural towns.

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Times are a-changin in the new world.

Urban living is a huge, growing trend in America the last several years. Even in mid-size cities.
Lots of 4-5 story mixed-use buildings going up, that's what I see the most of these days. Stylistically it looks different but function/form are identical to that of old european buildings.

However it's still nowhere near like Europe.

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We get a lot of stuff like this built in American cities.

But it's not the whole neighborhood it's just one building. So you might have a cool apartment building in a still-sparse neighborhood, probably in an industrial district of the city. It's weird.

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>mcmansion hell
A fellow man of taste i see

I love rural life and I believe that the best urban life can only be in "organic" cities, like Leon Krier design them
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léon_Krier

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I bet it's a good living in these houses, but the soul is missing

Nothing about that is urban desu

Most of them are adjacent to old brick factory buildings so there's a little soul.

But it's America; the alternative was probably a McMansion so no one ever complains about a lack of soul. I learned that all new construction looks sterile anyway.

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You are right, there are a few of these new dark-blue brick houses in my town too. It really looks sterile.
But these lofts don't look too bad, even though the balconies on the right side remind me of chicken cages

looks plain and boring tbqh

How about this.
Red circle is city centre.
Everything else is suburban, and no matter where you live, you will spend maximum of 20 minutes to get to the city centre by car or commute. And.. if you live in the city centre, you spend a maximum of 20 minutes to get into the rural and into the montains. Best of all three worlds, desu!

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except for winter darkness, Norway sounds like a dream. But I probably shouldn't move there since I a shitskin.

Better stick with Spain.

How is it like being a shitskin in USA? Is it as bad as people would have us believe?

Granada is the most beautiful city I've ever visited

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Either full urban or full rural. Suburban is the worst of both.

>tfw I can get a rural house 20 minutes from my job for less than 40 000 €

Rural is the right choice, at least if you own a car

I live in a suburban area of a rural city. Suburbs are nice but shit from a city planning point of view and encourage reliance on cars.

I actually pass for white, but Asians still judge me and blacks are indifferent. Whites are fine cus they don't want to seem racist and because I talk just like them.

Models like that don't universally apply to Britain, only in large cities like Birmingham or Glasgow.
Would a medium sized town with around 30k people be considered as part of any of these categories? Some towns may have suburbs on its own but their centres are not large or dense enough to be considered urban.

urban, urban, urban
t. born and raised in suburbia

> the balconies on the right side remind me of chicken cages

We've got other chicken cages on the way too.

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I wish we could bulldoze half the suburbs here and rebuild cozy neighborhoods in the city.
I liked when I visited Britain and when you leave the city, you're immediately in the countryside with livestock.

In North America you leave the city center, and it takes 45 minutes to get to the country.

Urban > Rural > Suburban

Do other American cities have townhomes besides Boston, Philly and New York?

We get lots of renovations or new condo buildings here but they're never townhouses.

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I grew up in Ohio, suburban and we'll off but man, after seeing what a large world-class city can be like, I'm happy to never go back. Suburbs and driving are stupid shit.

Rural Outskirts > all
10-12 minutes outside of town but not on a main highway

Rural>Suburban>Urban

Really urban is just shit. Having a suburban area is nice for kids so they can make friends in a neighborhood and actually socialize, while being safe to play. I enjoyed that as a kid.

As a man with no kids, rural is perfect.

urban>rural and suburban retards

This is unironically one of the most beautiful photos I've ever seen. Do you have it without the red circle?

For me it's urban, can't stand the boredom of rural countryside (and I grew on it)

This actually looks about right.

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Winter.

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Grew up in suburbia and it wasn't bad but when I found living in a GOOD city, there's no comparison. I would never move back to the 'burbs. Just send my kids to private school if I have to.

none of the urban and suburban areas look like that in my area
its a mix of rural and urban in the small cities

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I want to live on the moon

Growing up in a wealthy suburb is pretty much the spawning pool for the next gen of rich white collar workers. It's a good place to grow up in, but it's extremely boring.

I haven't been able to live in a city yet, but I found rural living relaxing and I enjoyed living on-campus in my college town much better than the suburbs

this, the only time urban could rival rural is in a situation where you are very wealthy and can buy a whole penthouse or a whole damn detached house in the city. Maybe a full floor apartment/condo too. It is hard to beat all the nice land you can get in rural though

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may I come there please? looks too comfy to miss out on. I can do any jobs,

city living seems shitty just because of all the neighbors crammed into your apartment building would sound like shit and be annoying. Also some boomer would probably yell at me or call the cops for annoyance when im up late playing loud music and slapping the walls

City living is massively based. Walking to a store or your friend’s house and having short commutes is awesome.

It’s also cool because if you’re smart you get to see your neighborhood improving. If you think apartments are cramped get a bigger apartment but they also have houses in the city.

quads checked

if you don't mind me asking, what city are you in? you really seem to like it

what city has houses? I thought those are typically out in the suburb areas surrounding the city? unless you mean town homes which I guess arent too bad

London is filled with houses

this
BEST is rural but close enough to a very large yet highly centralized city

rural without any aurguement

My neighborhood is a mixture of 60-70s apartment buildings, little brick office/shop/restaurant buildings from around 1910, and giant southern plantation houses with Greek columns.
It's pretty cool, I can walk to work too.

Surburban.

ok, i guess ive never lived in a city really always just in suburban hell so dont know much of the citylife

oi but ya av to av a loicense to cut ya steak wit a propa knife ya limey mug

cars should be banned from city centres

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>Hey Cregg, would you mind taking Maygan to Walmart to get some 'urbz? We need bayzil, orAYGano, and cilantro. And don't forgit the aigs and Gram Crackers. Before you go could you please pess me my bawdle of wahder? Oh and rimimber to check your meer sweedy!

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imagine her slopping my top haha

Dont be mad because you dont speak proper English

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what you call "houses" we call "closets"

This infinitely, especially if everything you need is nearby

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This also

>this flag
>this post
hmm

I mean if it was done in a nice architectural style it would be a 10/10

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hmm good post brother

Mfw Jow Forums posters don't even know about based New Urbanism which will rescue USA, Canada and Australia

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>americans
>choosing to live in anything under 2000 square feet

New Urbanism is a meme that will dye out when the hipsters have kids.

New Urbanism places too little emphasis on high density and too much on walkability desu

Based & redpilled

citycucks and suburbanites are not even human

californanians choose 800sqft for $750k

Rural has shitty internet though

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how's that dacha falling apart for you ivan?
Wow, it doesn't even cost that much in Shinjuku, Tokyo

In Britain maybe
The day I graduate from uni is the day I go back to my rural town
>my citycuck ass is on FIRE
Have fun giving away half your wage to your landlord, Zhang

If I didnt know about the real estate industry I'd agree with you, but I reached out and talked to some developers who shared their thoughts.

New urbanist buildings have a really unique economic effect, they add to each other's value instead of competing.
Walkability is the single most valuable asset in American real estate, and I'd assume real estate on every corner of this planet. All the most valuable real estate in the world is in walkable areas. 100% of it, unless it's a fucking diamond mine.

New urbanist buildings are very strongly based on traditional european form, despite the looks. When one pops up in a neighborhood it immediately adds to the value of all the land around it.
Why? Probably just because America was stupidly sprawled for a long time, that walkability became this hot commodity.

Small cities/large towns are the best.

>New Urbanism which will rescue
lolno

You can get incredibly dense (and incredibly cozy and redpilled) with just 5 stories if it's over small streets and you don't have parking lots everywhere.

The densest city in europe doesn't have a single skyscraper and doesn't need one. ~5 stories is optimal.

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I dunno man, I think this guy is the default in the US and sees the idea of living in a city as gay.

I just googled average America house size and they're getting much bigger 2,500 square feet.

aei.org/publication/todays-new-homes-are-1000-square-feet-larger-than-in-1973-and-the-living-space-per-person-has-doubled-over-last-40-years/

I've watch a bunch of TED talks by US city planners and architects and I just don't think Americans want to make the change. A small rise in in walkable areas doesn't change the vast majority of people's mind set.

Could be a lot cheaper if a lot higher, it doesn't cost much more per floor until you hit 30 floors

>I've watch a bunch of TED talks by US city planners and architects and I just don't think Americans want to make the change. A small rise in in walkable areas doesn't change the vast majority of people's mind set.
You just don't know the CRE industry here, man. Developers in the US are spending every dollar they can find on densifying American city centers. Even for an urbanist like me it genuinely surprises me.
Even in a poor city like mine, out of town investors are building 17-story apartment projects (on top of the other smaller projects).

From your attitude I can tell you haven't been here in several years. So I encourage you to visit our single most sprawled city, Atlanta. Once you fly into Atlanta and see the blocks of new construction extending for MILES I think you'll agree that Americans are trying hard at the city thing.

Jow Forums guys just don't get out much and see how much their cities are changing. My city's downtown population went up 650% in 3 years. And the multifamily development trend continues to rise year-over-year across america, even with trump's tariffs increasing construction costs.

It's not that Americans don't want the change, it's that zoning laws are ridiculously difficult to change.

>I've watch a bunch of TED talks by US city planners and architects and I just don't think Americans want to make the change.
We're building private high-speed rail in two states and public high-speed rail in california.
If you come here there's very much an atmosphere of "I love my city and want it to do well." Yes it was started by hipsters but even tons of white-collar conservatives are about it.
But even if people didn't want to make the change, the economic reasons alone are enough to drive them into leaving suburbia. We'll always be sprawled out but there is a huge demographic shift of whites to the city lately. Especially with rising gas prices and more positive attitudes in general towards cities.

Nothing could ever beat rural living

>i will never live in a small city next to beautiful mountains

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>i enjoying, shitty internet, insects everywhere & driving for 2 hours to get to the nearest convenience store

I prefer living in a small village next to a beautiful mountain.

That's a lot of assumptions

>Rural
How are you gonna get enough water without violating the law?

Soulless. I wonder what the suicide rates are like.

>That's a lot of assumptions
All reasonable ones though.

im moving to slovenia right NOW

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