Some Muslims are absolutely CERTAIN that Israel will be destroyed by 2022. That's only in four years !

Do they have some plan or just the usual "death to Israel, the West, anime, etc"?

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Greater Israel is needed to make sure Stability is gained in the Middle East

Here is an article about it :

israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/17700

Can't wait.

Israel will be destroyed because Arab Israelis will massively outbreed the Israelis in a matter of time and become a majority in a few generations. Israel is so desperate they are bringing over illiterate black non-Jews from India and Africa just to boost up the numbers of "Jews" on paper however they can, because they know the Arab population is rising.

The fact that they need to make official laws declaring Israel a Jewish state and not an Arab state, and make it legal for Jewish communities to establish themselves as solely Jewish communities, whereas they didn't need to before, is only indicative that they are noticing the effects of a rapidly growing Arab population.

Every Jew I've spoken to about this is in total denial and point to things like how they expect the Arab population will stabilise and stop growing once it reaches a certain point, even though everything we've seen of Arab demographic trends in other countries like egypt or Lebanon indicates this isn't the case, it will just keep exponentially growing. Israeli jews point to the growth of orthodox haredim Jews, as if that is any salvation, nevermind the fact that they all detest military service and participating with secular Jews. What's clear is that the secular atheist zionist jews that have led israel since its establishment in 1948 are doomed, and Israel will either become an Arab state, or a state jointly dominated by Arabs and orthodox anti-zionist Haredim.

If retards like Netanyahu annex the west bank, this will only accelate the doom of Israel.

Having a european jewish state on Arab land was a doomed project from the get-go. If Jews really want a European-style Jewish state that badly, they should have established it somewhere in north or south america, it would have been much more beneficial to them.

And if you're problem with that is that south or north america isn't the "holy land", then Jews already aren't living in the holy land. (continued)

You spread fake news. The broken record of "Arabs will outbreed the Jews" is no longer valid. The birth rates of Jews and Arabs in Israel are currently equal. You can Google it.

The number of Jews who came from India is a few thousands and they don't really bring Jews from Ethiopia anymore.

Also that law which passed, which I personally did not like, does not include the establishment of solely Jewish communities.

The holy land is the west bank, or what jews term "judea and samaria". This is still overwhelmingly palestinian. All the holy cities, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron (khalil), Jericho, etc. that were the traditional sites of the holy land in the old testament are 100% Arab populated.

Where all teh Israeli jews live is on the coast, which is not the holy land or part of ancient judea, but where the ancient canaanites, philistines, and pheonician tribes used to live, not the ancient israelites/judeans. So Israeli Jews already arent' living in their "holy land", they might as well be living in north or south america.

The holiest city in Israel proper, Nazareth, is 100% populated by Israeli arabs. Furthermore, the parts of Jerusalem that are actually holy and part of ancient Jerusalem, are all 100% populated by Arabs.

The Israeli part of Jerusalem thats jewish majority, or "west jerusalem", isn't even Jerusalem. Its a bunch of villages across the valley from old jerusalem, that are bunched together to be called jerusalem or part of the jerusalem metropolitan area, its not the holy city.

Jews should honestly stop larping.

Never mind that
>muh ancient ancestral lands lost 2000 years ago
isn't substantiation for invading arab soil. Jackasses.

Not accurate, the ancient kingdom also had the Galilee (under Israel) and the coast from Jaffa and to north (also under Israel).

Rich seeing this arguments coming from Americans and Australians. Great lack of self awareness.

>The Israeli part of Jerusalem thats jewish majority, or "west jerusalem", isn't even Jerusalem. Its a bunch of villages across the valley from old jerusalem, that are bunched together to be called jerusalem or part of the jerusalem metropolitan area, its not the holy city.

You mix and turn the facts around, it is East Jerusalem that composed of Arab villages that were joined into the city after 1967.

the old city is part of east jerusalem and was the Arab part that was controlled by Jordan after 1948. West Jerusalem was basically built by the Israelis after 1948.

Ancient Jews hardly even considered the galilee to be Israel. Its why Jesus got shat on by the Pharisees for being a Galillean. Most galileans were barely even ethnic jews but descended from assyrian settlers who had mixed with the locals after the assyrians had wiped out the old northern kingdom, and they had a mix of religious practices that were kind of different from the judeans, such as praying in the mountain, instead of on the temple.

And as I said, even today the Galilee is mostly Arab. Nazareth is considered the Arab capital of Israel.

Look at this map. All of Israels arab population are in the north.

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All Native Americans have full U.S. citizenship, all Australian Aborigines have full Australian citizenship.

Australia and America don't govern an inch of aboriginal/native land that they don't also give full equal rights to the people living there.

Israel governs the entire west bank and has full control over it, but does not give the Arabs in the west bank equal rights or equal citizenship. They don't allow the return of the Arab refugees that they expelled.

Australia and america have paid for the wrongs they did against the natives and done everything possible to reintegrate them and reconcile. Israel has not and still continues these practices.

First, it's important to point in out that there is no such thing as West and East Jerusalem. The East/West division was created due to the 1948 war.

Yes, by the end of the war the Old City was by Jordanian (not Palestinian !) hands, and all the Jews were expelled from there.
By that point that part of the city that was under Israeli control became "West Jerusalem" and the part that was under Jordanian control became "East Jerusalem", including the Old City.
So by that point the "West" side of the city already existed, it was not built after 1948.

>Ancient Jews hardly even considered the galilee to be Israel.

Wrong. Open the Bible, see where the 12 tribes were located.

You're speaking of Jesus, but that's Christian history, not Jewish.

>trust me guys, it'll work this time now that we're all poorer and shittier and don't have a Soviet sugar daddy!

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But Israel made Hamas

Arab-Israelis, which are 20% of the population, have full Israeli citizenship.

West Bank is not a part of Israel, it's a disputed territory whose final status will be determined by negotiations. But it seems the Palestinian leadership is not interested in negotiations at all.
As for the fake "right of return" - only 20,000 1948 refugees are still alive, but the Palestinians demand the "return" of 6-7 million who are their descendants, which is illogical and unreasonable.

>Wrong. Open the Bible, see where the 12 tribes were located.

12 tribes are a meme. 10 of them got destroyed almost right away by the assyrians. Only two tribes (judea) are what remained, and the north were a mixture of other things.

And Jerusalem, the part of the city that is truly historic ancient holy jerusalem is the old city, its the part that contains all the churches and mosques and synagogues. The villages around it can be considered part of jerusalem, but the ones in western jerusalem, are relatively newly built, and those are the israeli jewish ones.

The true jerusalem, i.e. the historic holy old city within the walls, was always, and still is, arab majority, aside from the jewish quarter.

>12 tribes are a meme. 10 of them got destroyed almost right away by the assyrians. Only two tribes (judea) are what remained, and the north were a mixture of other things.

And? Does it contradict that fact that some of the tribes were located in the Galilee and the Northern coastline, just like I said?

>And Jerusalem, the part of the city that is truly historic ancient holy jerusalem is the old city, its the part that contains all the churches and mosques and synagogues. The villages around it can be considered part of jerusalem, but the ones in western jerusalem, are relatively newly built, and those are the israeli jewish ones.

The Old City has a Jewish Quarter. It was ethnically-cleansed by Jordan in 1948. They also destroyed the synagogue there.

The "newly built" Jewish villages were started to be built by pretty much 1860, are you certain they are more new than the Arab villages?

>The true jerusalem, i.e. the historic holy old city within the walls, was always, and still is, arab majority, aside from the jewish quarter.

I don't see why you insist of talking about only the Old City. It's a rather minor area. The city itself is vast and grand, populated by about 800k people.
Also, Jews were a relative majority in Jerusalem for decades, with a larger portion than Christians and Muslims.

The west bank is governed as if it were part of Israel. Israel controls the entire place, controls how Palestinians live and move about, while not giving the palestinians there equal rights that it affords to its own citizens. In practice, Israel controls it like it is a part of Israel. And Israel places its own jewish citizens in the west bank and settles them there. So they want to have their cake and eat it. They want full access and governance of the land, and to run it, settle it, control it, while also claiming "its not part of israel, so we don't need to give the people there equal rights".

Its no different to what south africa did with the bantustans. They created a bunch of cantons, which they claimed were independent black homelands separate from south africa, to avoid giving blacks equal rights, while still having full control over them.

And the Palestinian refugees have infinitely more right to return to their homes and villages and farms than the Jews had a right to migrate to Palestine before 1948. The Israelis claim the legitimate and valid Palestinian right of return is illogical and unreasonable, because it would undo their status as a Jewish state, even though their status as a Jewish state right on top of arab land is entirely illogical and unreasonable of itself.

In short, Israel is a "state" of multiple hypocricies and double standards in a race against time who's existence will be short-lived since its an unnatural and forced creation.

>I don't see why you insist of talking about only the Old City. It's a rather minor area. The city itself is vast and grand, populated by about 800k people.
>Also, Jews were a relative majority in Jerusalem for decades, with a larger portion than Christians and Muslims.

Because the old city is the only holy part of the city. Its like saying New Jersey is part of New york, sure its contiguous, but nobody says i'm going to new jersey to see the empire state building

Won't happen. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east. Canada stands with Israel!

The bantustans were located within South Africa itself. Again, West Bank is not under Israeli sovereignty. The control over the area is divided between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, as it was agreed upon in the Oslo Accords from the 90's. The Arabs of the West Bank are citizens of the Palestinian Authority and the Jews are citizens of Israel. If the Palestinian Authority wants to become a valid state it has to come to negotiations with Israel and solve the hot topics, but they refuse to do so.

The Palestinian "refugees" have no right to "return". Resolution 194 says specifically they should return "in the earlier and practicable date" - but this is no longer practicable. If they want to "return", they can do it to the West Bank and Gaza, when a Palestinian country will be established. But in order for a Palestinian country to be established, the Palestinian government has to come to the negotiations table.

So what's your point? That all Jews in the world should come and live in the Jewish Quarter? It's a tiny area, it cannot populate millions of people. Your argument doesn't make sense.

The turks did it, they didn't have any right to be in Constantinople but invaded and took it over creating a Muslim community where there wasn't one. Jews are doing the same in Palestine, they use the land better so they deserve it just as the Turks did.

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never change

My point is that Jews aren't living in the holy city or the "Holy Land", and living where they currently live in Israel will be no different than living in america.

Of course they have right of return. You can't just kick someone out of their house and then say they're not allowed to live their anymore. That's theft. Many of them still have the keys to the houses they left behind. Arabs have a full right of return to return to the homes from which they were expelled, and Jews have a right to return to their homes in arab countries from which they were expelled (whether they want to return or not is a different story, but the right is there for them should they choose to accept it).

You claim that the west bank is under Palestinian Authority sovereignty, but Israel does not see it that way or practice it that way. They regularly violate this sovereignty by conducting armed raids without the consent of the Palestinian government, they enact an embargo on Gaza, they settle their own citizens in the west bank, they cut off water supplies. They don't even accept Palestine as a sovereign state or a country. Its basically they have full control over them and treat their land like it belongs to israel, whilst denying the people there the same rights that they give to israeli citizens that they settle there.

Nice reply, retard.

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>My point is that Jews aren't living in the holy city or the "Holy Land", and living where they currently live in Israel will be no different than living in america.

Can you tell me what are the four holy cities of Judaism? I'll allow you to use google.

>Of course they have right of return. You can't just kick someone out of their house and then say they're not allowed to live their anymore.

The keys are irrelevant. A key to a house that doesn't exist anymore has no use. As I stated, the amount of 1948 refugees that are still alive is 20,000 or maybe even lower. The descendants, which some of them are grandchildren or great-grandchildren, have no valid claims.

>That's theft.

It's not. The Arabs started the 1948 war and tried to ethnically-cleanse the Jews. Jews also lost villages and got expelled from them, or had the villages destroyed. The only difference is that the Jews managed to win eventually.

t. genocidal land grabber

>You claim that the west bank is under Palestinian Authority sovereignty, but Israel does not see it that way or practice it that way. They regularly violate this sovereignty by conducting armed raids without the consent of the Palestinian government, they enact an embargo on Gaza, they settle their own citizens in the west bank, they cut off water supplies. They don't even accept Palestine as a sovereign state or a country. Its basically they have full control over them and treat their land like it belongs to israel, whilst denying the people there the same rights that they give to israeli citizens that they settle there.

Gaza is occupied by Hamas. It's not the issue here. The Palestinian government by itself sanctions Gaza. Egypt also blockades Gaza. So Gaza is irrelevant to the topic here.

Israel doesn't recognize Palestine but it recognizes the Palestinian Authority. Raids are conducted because the Palestinian Authority won't do it by itself. They won't extradite or arrest terrorists, and if they will arrest them, they will release them after a few days, it's a known tactic by them they conduct since their inception. The Oslo Accords recognize the existence of settlements, declaring they will be negotiated in the future.

>Can you tell me what are the four holy cities of Judaism? I'll allow you to use google.

if I'm to guess, I'd say Jerusalem, Hebron (khalil), Jericho, and I don't know the fourth. Are there any sites located in Israel proper, and not in the west bank?

>The keys are irrelevant. A key to a house that doesn't exist anymore has no use. As I stated, the amount of 1948 refugees that are still alive is 20,000 or maybe even lower. The descendants, which some of them are grandchildren or great-grandchildren, have no valid claims.

Of course they have valid claims. How can you say a Jew has a valid claim to go settle and live in a land that their ancestors have not been to in 2000 years, but an Arab doesn't have a valid claim to live in a land or a house to which their father or grandfather lived in?

And the 1948 war was started long before the Arab states intervened, Israeli militias were already moving to secure land and attack communities from before that.

The Oslo accords expired ages ago, and were not meant to be a permanent settlement. Hamas is part of the palestinian government, their views are no more extreme or radical than Yisrael Beitenu or Bennet's party, I forget what its called.

Just because Israel believes that a "terrorist" is in the PA, doesn't give them the right to violate the sovereignty fo another country to take him. Does Palestine have the right to send its police to kidnap Israeli soldiers they suspect of killing civilians or committing warcrimes? From the Palestinians point of view, these employed Israeli soldiers are terrorists.

>if I'm to guess, I'd say Jerusalem, Hebron (khalil), Jericho, and I don't know the fourth. Are there any sites located in Israel proper, and not in the west bank?

You don't need to guess, I allowed you to use google.

The four holy cities of Jerusalem are : Jerusalem, Hebron, Tiberias and Sefad - A.K.A, Arba Aratzot ("The Four Countries").

Tiberias and Sefad are located in Northern Israel.

You have a beef with Jerusalem and Hebron - both seen the continuous presence of a Jewish community of them for centuries. The Arabs cleansed the Jews off Hebron in the 1930's. The Arabs cleansed the Jews from the Old City of Jerusalem in 1948.

But that was temporary until these areas were liberated in 1967.. Today Jews returned to these areas.

>Of course they have valid claims. How can you say a Jew has a valid claim to go settle and live in a land that their ancestors have not been to in 2000 years, but an Arab doesn't have a valid claim to live in a land or a house to which their father or grandfather lived in?

Because this is not how sovereignty works. Israel is the sovereign, and can decide it does not want to allow an influx of millions of Arabs into the country.
On the other hand, both the Ottoman and British sovereigns allowed Jews to migrate into this land and settle in it.

>And the 1948 war was started long before the Arab states intervened, Israeli militias were already moving to secure land and attack communities from before that.

Yes at that point it was a civil war, which the Arabs also started.

If the Oslo Accords expired then the Palestinian Authority's validity is also expired. But since it still exists, and it still ratifies the accords, then it is still valid.

Hamas is not a part of the Palestinian government, there is a severe crisis between Hamas and PLO, and if they formed some unity-government it is already defunct. I am not even sure it's still exists.

You also speak of Palestinian sovereignty. They have no sovereignty. The correct word is control.

Hamas is a sad joke and you know it. Even Iran couldn't take out Israël.

When you combine Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian militias in Syria you get a pretty strong force, commanded by Iran, encircling Israel from both North and South.

i like how israel is totally cool with isis being on the border, but go into autistic screeching mode, when a local militia that recieved some iranian guns advances within syrian territory

Muslims are usually pretty bad at long term planning... It'll be delayed because they'll fight over power within or something

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There are two ISIS-affiliated militias at our border. One in Sinai and one in the Golan.

The Egyptians are fighting ISIS in Sinai and many many reports suggest we're assisting them. ISIS in Sinai also accused Israel in attacking it. So Israel is not OK with it.

As for the Golan, that's a minor militias, with almost no military power - which cannot be said on Hezbollah, Hamas and other Iranian militias.

Don't you dare thinking about moving back here filthy kikes.

Except its not.

in a hypothetical scenario,

How would you feel about living in a pan-Arab state spanning across the middle east and north africa, where you basically had your own autonomous communities and governed yourself according to religious jewish law, were fully provided by the arab government all your needs, i.e. water, electriciy, food, and were charged no tax, and had your own fully autonomous jewish cities?

they're your cousins. one of your great-great grandparents was probably a filthy kike.

We can only hope.

I think it was already discussed at some point .. look here :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal–Weizmann_Agreement

Quarter kikes will become second class citizens in a US sponsored kike takeover. Purer Ashkenazim would form the elite. In Israel, Sephardi and mizrahi Jews are lower on the socioeconomic ladder.

They will fight between each others before than even happend. Putin made sure to Bibi that he will not support Iran. And you have big Uncle Sam with the most zionist friendly gov in power to back you up.

So why are you always worried and paranoid ?

Well I don't think they will manage to destroy Israel by 2022, that's the point of my OP. But if you combine the force of all Iranian-backed forces around Israel you get a pretty strong force, especially in ballistic power (Hezbollah's missiles).

Iran have enormous internal politicals problems, water, oil, the conservatives are loosing ground. They are asphixied by western sanctions.

Turkey is all talk, hezbollah is still a big militia but not an army.

You nearly nuked Egypt last time troubles appeared, you have the A-bomb. I mean it's like I was worried that Swiss would attack France and actually did some damage.

I'm not gonna even talk about the absolute air superiority of Israel with their neighbors.

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Israel cannot be destroyed unless someone nukes it out of the map but no one wants to make this sacrifice for the greater good.

Speaking of the devil, I wonder how is Israel's nuclear project these days. I bet you kikes already got pretty powerful stuff going on there, huh.

When did we nuke Egypt ??

And yes, we are stronger than them, but they can cause serious damage.

>he doesn't know

telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/04/israel-planned-detonate-nuclear-bomb-egypt-risked-losing-six/

Last time you attacked first I'm not even sure Egypt was really going to invade you.

And thats is a good thing

I know of this.
I accidentally read "nearly" as "already".

israel is gone the moment us is gone (52% and loading)
KARA BOĞA

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Do Jews realise they are literally cartoon bad guys?

middleeastmonitor.com/20180717-israeli-minister-israeli-jets-should-drop-bombs-over-the-heads-of-gaza-children/

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despacito

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Only when you twist the facts.

Let's examine the facts :

1) Hamas fired rockets at Israeli children, which are not involved in any aggressive attack against Gaza.

2) Bennet suggests to fire people who fly arson kites at Israel, which already burned down an area equal in size to the Lake of Kinnereth. These people may be children or not. The IDF chief of staff opposed his opinion, btw, and Israel does not fire children who fly these kites.

3. You choose to ignore all of that and talking of "evil Jewish cartoon".

inshallah

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God will smite the Arab

Aren't the relations between Israel, Jorden and Saudi Arabia very well the last few years?

Yes, it's getting better.