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Rly makes u think
Colton Wood
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Evan Sullivan
*proceeds to try to invade all of Germanic and Eastern Europe to serve as lebesraum while killing 6 million innocent Jews and countless Slavs in the process*
Anthony Jenkins
why is it that every time someone reminds people about colonialism it's to try to make german crimes against humanity sound less bad?
can't you just be content condemning them all? I mean, I have no problem hating both the US and the SU.
Wyatt Hill
Based.
Noah Garcia
British and French had many colonies before WW2
So there are many immigrants who came from their colonies in the UK and France
But Germans didn't have few colony at that time
Even though, why are there many immigrants in Germany now?
Dylan Ross
>Aug. 1 1916 : Germany declares war on Russia
>Aug. 3 1916 : Germany declares war on France
>Aug. 4 1916 : Germany declares war on Belgium
>September 1916, Germany is already planning all the annexion (Septemberprogramm) : North of France, Belgium, Poland, Balkan, Mittelafrika,
>M-muh germany did nothing wrong in ww1, the bad guys lost.
Treaty of Versailles was way too soft, they should have listened Foch.
David Edwards
Turkish workers after the war
Free movement from the eu
And too much virtue signaling
Ian Peterson
Shit, not Balkan, but Baltic countries.
Charles Ramirez
>1916
Wut?
And the ToV wasn't too soft, all you had to do was actually enforce it...
John Brooks
Long nose tribe tell them that nationalism is bad and they must dilute their own race
Henry Hughes
Because ww2 germany and maybe american slavery are what is talked about 90% of the time when people talk about crimes against humanity already
Daniel Rogers
Britain and France set up their empires in order to make money and killed millions in the process. Nazis made an effort to kill as many Jews and Slavs as possible, as in killing millions of people wasn't a consequence of their imperialism, killing millions of people WAS THEIR GOAL. Big difference. More people died in the British Indian famines than in the Holocaust but the Holocaust was worse.
Grayson Sanchez
I'm sorry, I didn't really catch your point.
Asher Brooks
>France set up their empires in order to make money and killed millions in the process
(you)
Zachary Wood
Lmao that's rich coming from Spain.
Hunter Edwards
Didn't anyone criticize the German immigrant policy, before Germany was full of many immigrants?
Justin Wood
I was trying to say that the holocaust tends to overshadow most other crimes commited by europeans. But that doesnt mean other european countries are innocent.
Anthony Jackson
Niggers and curryniggers aren't people.
Julian Allen
britain and france wanted shekels while germany wanted lebensraum to preserve themselves
Robert Hernandez
>innocent Jews
That's an oxymoron mate.
Adrian Baker
Oh, okay, I see. Yeah, I agree. The Holocaust largely overshadows other atrocities, though it's understandable given the unique character of an industrialised genocide, and its imprint on post-ww2 philosophy. There's also the bias because it happened in Europe.
Other atrocities should be mentioned, but not from the angle of excusing the holocaust.
Jonathan Watson
People suffered in the colonies. I have no idea of the number, but I don't really care about it. As if a few tens of thousands up or down makes any difference.
true
Matthew Diaz
Central power Goals and Plans if they had won WW1
>Germany
1.All fortifications from Dunkirk to Boulogne will be destroyed.
2.The ore rich area of Briey will be annexed outright. Coastal strips in the North would also fall under German control.
3.War debts shall be imposed on France so large that she is incapable of rearming herself for 15-20 years
4.The French will cease all trade with Great Britain and will be reliant on the Germans economically.
5.Either the outright annexation of Belgium or the seizure of lands up to Antwerp and making the rest a "vassal state"
6.Luxemburg integrated into the empire as a "Germanic State"
7.The creation of a Central European economic sphere (think EU almost) of the German client states in the West and the newly formed states created in the East from a supposed Russian defeat as well. All client/buffer states of Germany, of course. Translated it states " including France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Austria-Hungary, Poland and tolls. Italy, Sweden and Norway. This association will not have no common constitutional supreme superficial equality of its members, but actually under German leadership, must the economic dominance over Central Europe stabilize. "
8.The annexation of all African colonies controlled by Belgium and France(and later Britain and Portugal) -- basically creating a German giant colonial super colony
>Ottoman Empire
The Ottomans were crumbling from the inside out and the war was a way to regain some land lost to the Russians in previous wars and also fight their way back to relevancy. The Ottomans also had plans with Germany to create a Berlin to Baghdad continuous railroad to link Europe and the Arabian peninsula. This would link the Ottomans to the industrialized Central Europe and link Germany to its African colonies by land thus negating the need for a strong navy partially.
then after the war they had plans to conquer the the Arabian peninsula
Landon Ward
>1916
Jordan Price
some other points i couldn't talk about
The only parts of Africa that would not be under German rule would be Ethiopia,territories owned by Spain who remained neutral though out the war,Libya which would be most likely be given back to the Ottomans and South Africa which would be given independence
The caucasus would be given to the Ottomans so Armenia,Azerbaijan and Georgia would not be part of the USSR plus wahhabism and the House of Saud would never rise because the Ottoman's would most likely conquer the Arabian peninsula when learning how much oil they might even conquer it even before learning they had oil just as a way to bolster the empire
Gavin Hernandez
source? Sounds awesome
Austin Nguyen
youtube.com
prepare to be enlightened friends :DDDDD
Parker Morgan
its a book called Griff nach der Weltmacht: Die Kriegzielpolitik des kaiserlichen Deutschland(Germany's Aims in the First World War) by German historian Fritz Fischer
its a great read it also focuses on the Ottoman,Bulgarian and Auto-Hangarian goals in the war
the books is somewhat controversial because Fischer states Germany was the aggressor in the war and wanted to be in the war
Levi Lewis
>the books is somewhat controversial because Fischer states Germany was the aggressor in the war and wanted to be in the war
How is that controversial
Jack Cook
>frangleterre covered like 3/4s of the planet and beat the shit out the jerries
based
Tyler Kelly
it was controversial in Germany
it destroys the whole "we were dragged in to war against our wishes" excuse the Germans had put in their minds
and Im sure the German people did now want the war but the elites defiantly did
Zachary Moore
There used to be a lot of debate about whether it was Germany, Austria-Hungary, Serbia, or some other power
David Moore
*barely hold on despite having Russia on its side and only won after America joined in
Isaac Ortiz
Russia was worse then the Ottomans they were horrendously unindustrialized and suffered from incompetent military leadership
Liam Ramirez
Russia in WW1 was pretty incompetent with a few exceptions but they weren't anywhere near as shit as the Ottomans
They still were the largest empire by far and brought in millions of troops into the field
They effectively knocked out Austria-Hungary in 1914/15, making them dependent on German assistance and guidance for the rest of the war
If Russia hadn't been in the war, Germany would've defeated France
Adam Bell
>suffered from incompetent military leadership
so are turks? since they lost all of their wars with Russia, WW1 front inlcuded.
Asher Roberts
Listen man I mean both Russia and Ottomans had similarly bad problems but on a whole I will say that Russians were much worse
the ottomans with 3 million troops did more damage then Russians with 12 million
Nicholas Nguyen
When you really stop and think about it, why DID the Germans genocide the Jews? They were already second class citizens who were physically branded as a minority, what's the point of even killing them? You don't gain anything from it.
Bentley Long
what do you base that claim on? Fact remains Russia tied up millions of German and Austro-Hungarian troops on the Eastern front and still whooped Ottoman ass until Russia collapsed due to the battles with Germany and internal problems
I'd say they were clearly worse than the Russians, and the fact that they kinda survived until 1918 is only due to the fact that they always were a secondary problem to all belligerents
no rational reason, it was an ideology...
Owen Hill
Listen I don't wanna start Shit online but the Ottomans were better then Russians in WW1
maybe 10-15% better but still better
Im not denying Russia had many victories over the Ottoman Empire pre-WW1
Samuel Adams
how the fuck we took POWs but lost at the same time
Jack Barnes
Truth be told the Ottoman empire should have collapsed even Pre-WW1 but thanks to aid of European powers it didn't many European leaders knew that if Ottomans collapsed there would be many problems to deal with
these problems were
1.Russians expansion in the Anatolia and maybe even the Arabian peninsula
2.The Ottomans were the one's that helped keep Islam in check if any European leader had a problem with their Muslim subjects in their oversees colony well just ask for a letter from the caliph and he'll write a fatwa this their is rebellion un-Islamic or something and then the rebellion would either end or greatly lessen
thats what happened when the Moro people(Muslims in the Philippines) had a rebellion against the US the William McKinley asked for the Ottomans help
he wrote
>After due consideration of these facts, the Sultan, as Caliph caused a message to be sent to the Mohammedans of the Philippine Islands forbidding them to enter into any hostilities against the Americans, inasmuch as no interference with their religion would be allowed under American rule. As the Moros have never asked more than that, it is not surprising, that they refused all overtures made, by Aguinaldo's agents, at the time of the Filipino insurrection. President McKinley sent a personal letter of thanks to Mr. Straus for the excellent work he had done, and said, its accomplishment had saved the United States at least twenty thousand troops in the field. If the reader will pause to consider what this means in men and also the millions in money, he will appreciate this wonderful piece of diplomacy, in averting a holy war."
and the The Muslim peoples obeyed the order
Juan Edwards
Unsuccessful offensive
advance a bit, take some prisoners, but later get repelled
doesn't prove how the ottoman empire was supposedly less shit than the russian empire in ww1
Hudson Hughes
Im saying the Ottomans were shit and the only reason they were less shit was European aid
their empire would ended years ago if not were European aid
Jacob Perry
>if not were European aid
if not for European aid
Thomas Cox
WW2 made Britian and France as freedom warriors, and Japan and Germany as evil invaders. That's it.
Brandon Price
>2.The Ottomans were the one's that helped keep Islam in check if any European leader had a problem with their Muslim subjects in their oversees colony well just ask for a letter from the caliph and he'll write a fatwa this their is rebellion un-Islamic or something and then the rebellion would either end or greatly lessen
Except that Europeans didnt control Muslim areas by that time frame, it came much later. And no, Muscovy suffered heavily due to existence of ottoshits. And no, they didnt """help""" to keep Islam in check, they've spread that cancer to Balkans and other parts of the world. Best way of managing islam would be its eradication.
Tyler Rogers
Russia is bad example because Russia and the Ottomans hated each other
Ottoman had no reason to call for an end of the rebellion
Juan Rodriguez
>Hitler is the absolute worst man in history ever because he fantasized about ethnically replacing people in a novel. Meanwhile Anglos and Russians have been doing that for hundreds of years.
>German confederation was voluntarily formed, meanwhile France, Anglos and russians have all their territory from conquest