Make American become independent

based
we've only had a handful of good allies and america isn't one of them

Which ones are your true friends?
Spain? Italy?

Based and redpilled

Baseless and bluepilled

>explains why OP is wrong
>baseless and bluepilled
Such is the style of Canadian posts

gay and quebecois

The Anglo Saxon peasantry has an instinctual resentment towards their Franco-Norman superiors

France's history with Spain was one of constant warring and betrayal, and while we enjoyed great relations with the Papal states and helped unify Italy they did attack us in WW2 so I wouldn't say they've been great allies. I'd say France's best allies were Sweden during the 17th century, Russia during the late 19th century/early 20th and then maybe the Dutch.
Ironically enough though, the country we're cooperating the most with nowadays is Germany, but it's more of a matter of circumstances and shared interests. It's really obvious when you see the results of polls such as pic related; the average French person views German influence positively, but it's not reciprocal.

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Shut up chink, you are a colonial subject who was offered civilization and rejected it

I just disagree with your opinions. No one but your most ardent sycophants under the title coalition of the willing supported the war in Iraq and everyone knew the ties to 11/9 and WMDs were bullshit. By contrast most of the west supported the Arab spring uprisings.

I'm not a Québecois and have only ever been to the province once many years ago.

he's a l*af english teacher

don't be mean to him, what he said was 100% based and redpilled

>I'm not a Québecois and have only ever been to the province once many years ago.
prove it by posting your asshole

Danemark and Poland, unironically.
Poland hates us now, but I understand them, we listened to the eternal *Ngloid and let the eternal g*Rmanoid harm them

>>Make American become independent
They helped, it was taught in every history class, but France however the vast majority of troops fighting were American. France just wanted to piss England off.
>>Underdog revolution and become beacon of republicanism and liberty in Europe
We are very proud of this, however the French revolution did become a little fucked up, Ireland wasn't very successful, but they kept at it.
>>Have to fight entirety of Europe alone, standing against tyranny
Not sure what you're referencing here
>>fight WW1 for 4 years, lose more men in a year than America has lost in all its wars combined
Yeah, WWI fucked sucked for everyone, however without our aid the Entente wouldn't have survived. Before we showed up it was a stalemate with no end in sight.
>>WW2, choose to not send millions of youth to die again
Yeah, why would we get ourselves involved in someone else's war again? Japan made it our war. If I recall correctly you lot showed up even later to the party and barely did anything. And again, without us there is no way Europe could have been restored, Britain didn't have the ability to retaliate with anything more than air raids. I mean just look at the mess that was the Dieppe raid or Market Garden, compare that to our operations.
>>De Gaulle expels American troops from France because he wants France to be an independent and respected nation
Okay.
>>refuse to join retarded Iraq war
At the time yeah, everyone was kind of going nuts because of the whole 9/11 thing. Now we look back on that as a sensible decision.

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What an embarassing post

>I'm not a Québecois
You say that, but normal north american keyboards don't have "é" so you either when out of your way and copy pasted it or memorized the unicode or... Your a fucking frog!

The most troops America ever fielded at one time was around 40,000. There were 60,000 French and Spanish. They also sent many times more ships. You were misled

I'm on a phone. All I have to do is hold down the e and èéêëēėęěĕə all come up

>at one time was around 40,000
>At one time
Yeah no, it was 200,000 total and most of those 60,000 French were naval support. Of those 7,000 French casualties only 2,000 were inside the US.

it's almost like the majority of the war wasn't even fought in america

Yes 200k served altogether, not all at once. Only about 40,000 at one time. I wonder why France and Spain would send large naval support to fight the world's largest naval power?

>it's almost like the majority of the war wasn't even fought in america
>there's reality outside America
>America isn't the most relevant theater of war

super hard mode activated

what a good argument

The same can be said for the French numbers, it wouldn't be 60,000 foreign troops all at once

le singe stupide devrait apprendre sa place dans la jungle

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That's like saying the majority of WWII was fought in the pacific.
You are literally the sorest losers in history.
INB4 W-We had better things to do, it was a tactical retreat we didn't really lose our incredibly profitable colonies because we wouldn't give them parliamentary representation

>Makes a post supporting what you said
>Shut up dumb chink
Brazilian intellect

>can't prove me wrong
>calls me names and makes an unwise choice of analogy instead
hmm

France has literally nothing to do with freedom

>giving birth to nationalism and ensuring the spread of democracy worldwide had nothing to do with freedom

>nationalism
no
>democracy
no

You people literally walked out on a painting of the treaty of Paris because you were so salty
You literally cannot admit that you lost

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>Have revolution that causes the reign of terror
>Only 20 years later an emperor takes power
Definitely a bastion of democracy

i'm not my country mate there's no sense in larping. also virtually no one here cares about the war i may as well be an authority for even knowing what the dates were

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Based France.

books.google.com/books?id=4MYLwpOJMnUC
aese.psu.edu/students/research/ced-urj/news/2016/empowerment-of-the-individual-the-french-revolution-of-1789
Read a book.
It's not that simple. Napoleon became an absolute monarch, yes, but not by divine or hereditary right. He was a nobody who became emperor by climbing the social ladder. France became a country where such a thing was possible, at a time when nation-states didn't exist and countries were just the personal possessions of monarchs.
And besides, that's not the point. My post was about the influence of the French Revolution on the spread of democracy worldwide, not in France only.

Okey

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>Not sure what you're referencing here
American education doesn't bring up the Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars?

>You are literally the sorest losers in history.
That honor goes to Rhodies

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>*popularizes meritocracy and equality before the law*

The French revolution was a real revolution. The American "revolution" was colonial elites taking power and keeping it, the average man stayed in his social class and fought for slave owners, while France had peasants rising to the ranks of Marshals and abolished slavery back in the 1790s.

Why?
>93844870
>popularizes
Wow, its fucking nothing

The average frogshit stayed in his social class and America had way better social mobility

British colonists are still reeing about losing their white supremacist state that they founded in the middle of fucking Africa

Why wouldnt they?

Are you actually so historically illiterate that you don't know about the French Enlightenment that preceded the Revolution? The Revolution popularized and ensured the spread of concepts that were invented by French thinkers, what's wrong with that?

Theres that fucking word again

Because they lost after making the stupid ass decision of founding a white supremacist state with only 200,000 whites in a country of 8 million darkies

What the fuck did they expect to happen

They expected that their european allies wouldnt stab them in the back, and they were remarkably generous with giving rights to black something that only sped their downfall

It's just that I don't know what you're trying to argue here. You're going against academic consensus about a well-documented historical event but your only argument so far has been "no". Are you just high and trying to shitpost or do you have an actual point?

>it was a tactical retreat
Lol the irony

Given how hard it is to quantify popularization id expect you to back up your claims with something but being the spineless weasel you are all you can spew forth is "muh academic consensus"

The French Revolution popularized and ensured the spread of human rights, which also includes meritocracy and equality before the law. For an example of how it impacted human rights, I direct you to the Declaration of the Rights of the Man and of the Citizen of 1789: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_the_Man_and_of_the_Citizen_of_1789
It represents one of the earliest articulations of liberalism, and its influence was such that it inspired the UN declaration of human rights and several constitutions all around the world.

As for equality before the law, you might want to take a look at pic related and see how many countries use a legal system derived from French civil law.

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We do, but that's a pretty vague statement
It seems to imply that the US fought against Europe alone or was it France? Napoleon didn't stand up to tyranny, he just wanted to take other people's shit

We owe our independence to the King of France. Not the Republic, and not the people of France. The Ancien Regime and its loyal adherents.

You owe your independence to French thinkers from the Enlightenment who influenced your desire for independence; military leaders like Lafayette, who took part in the American Revolutionary War after being influenced by Enlightenment ideas themselves and went on to support the creation of the French First Republic(Lafayette signed the Declaration of the Rights of the Man and of the Citizen of 1789). You owe your independence to the people of France, who made up the body of the French expeditionary army that won you the war. And yes, you do owe your independence to the Kingdom of France, but keep in mind that unlike all of the above, they weren't trying to help you out of good will.

t. dunkirk

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i never understood why people make fun of the French so much for surrendering in WW2. Maybe because no one get informed about how the battle actually went

>seventeen different words
there's just two

>the French were extremely in favor of deposing Ghadaffi in 2011
Technically they started the invasion. Gaddafi refused to renew the gas & oil agreement for a cheaper price, Sarkozy was scared that Gaddafi would reveal how he financed his election campaign, and then the USA jumped on the bandwagon because Gaddafi was serious about the gold dinar and Americans won't let anything challenge the petrodollar.

anglos really
don't think anyone else does

They didnt found south africa though. Dutch settlers first arrived in the 17th century. Actually before the now zulu majority who migrated there in the 18th century from the kongo.

>i never understood why people make fun of the French so much for surrendering in WW2
Because you started this war and then just threw your hands in the air and let everyone else sort out the mess you created. Plus the french are fairly arrogant people for some unknown reason so it's nice to bring you down a notch.

Do you guys know there was Eastern front in WWII? You showed up at the very end of the war and claim you won it. I don't like USSR and commies. But fact is fact.

>you started this war
Found the Jow Forumsak.

>You showed up at the very end of the war and claim you won it
The US entered the war in December 1941. I don't remember that that was at the end, do you?

He was making that smart arse comment about the American War of Independence. A war where Washington's plan was to keep retreating and wait for the French to show up.

Finally someone that understands us.

youtube.com/watch?v=wX2rS6p3akw
I don't know. Lack of education perhaps.