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Yes but leftists aren't known for their intellectual honesty, are they?

Thank fucking god. Make being a communist illegal and the punishment the death penalty across all 50 states and all territories. I fucking hate commies so much.

>>Someone whose political views are literally detrimental to freedom not being allowed to hold public ofice
Nah, just communists. You can be as anti-freedom as you want and still be elected in the US. Just gotta aim it right. Take away freedom from women, latinos, blacks, the poor, etc., just not the rich, old, white base.

What freedom was taken from blacks,.women.or latinos/

why?

>communism
>detrimental to freedom

It's more
>*Because* we're tolerant we have to be tolerant of intolerant people.
People who would overthrow your tolerant society cannot be tolerated.

>women
Laws restricting abortion, freedom over their bodies.
>Latinos
>Blacks
Literal freedom, by beeing sent to jail. This due to harsh penalties for possession of narcotics, and mandatory minimum sentencing, both of which greatly impact those communities. Same with voter suppression, which prevents them from exercising their right to vote, stripping them of their freedom.

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Lol at this thread. Literal commies, fuck off and move to Cuba or the USSR

>voter suppression
>having to show ID
Lmao

>Voter suppression = Voter ID laws
>mfw

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>muh abortion
That's not sexist, it's illegal explicitly because the baby is considered as an actual person and not property of its mother, and its life is being protected, just like it would be once it pops out.

Uh, babies in their womb are not "their bodies". Also, being sentenced after a trial over drug-related crimes is not having your freedoom taken based on race just because they happen to be blacks or latinos. Furthermore, what US President is responsible for that? Executive Power is not the only one, you know.
Leftism is a mental illness.

women are punching bags of nature anyway,who cares

>global boker face
>even though pretty much every democracy has voter ID laws including the Netherlands and Germany

Please go back to volunteering for your local refugee center

right wing and nazi are two different things

Yeah children are the punching bags of nature anyway, who cares

rt.com/news/425925-finland-sex-migrant-10yo/

The president of Harvard was exiled and de-platformed for *suggesting* that women being underrepresented in science departments *may partially* be because of biological differences betweeb men and women

>it's illegal to criticise israel in the US

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>Sexism
Not what I said. Whether it's sexist or not, it's taking away the freedom a person has to have final control over their own body.

Voter ID makes sense when you actually have a national ID.

>Furthermore, what US President is responsible for that?
The President, another thing I never mentioned.
>not having your freedoom taken based on race just because they happen to be blacks or latinos
Not the point. Whether they are targeted because they are black or just because the group it does targets just happen to overlap quite nicely with the black population, the effect is the same, the black population is targeted. Same with women. Whatever the justification the law might use, and whether it addresses the woman or not, it still amounts to stripping them of their freedom to decide over their body.

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Is this a joke? I dont get it. Unlike you our free speech is protected by our constitution, so we dont actually go to jail for typing i hate niggers on twitter

it's illegal to cross the road here but perfectly legal and encouraged to mutilate your son's sex organs. weird innit

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>Whether they are targeted because they are black or just because the group it does targets just happen to overlap quite nicely with the black population, the effect is the same, the black population is targeted. Same with women. Whatever the justification the law might use, and whether it addresses the woman or not, it still amounts to stripping them of their freedom to decide over their body.

Lol ok so whether or not you know it you're being racist by interacting with white people in Sweden instead of spending money in the local somalian economy. Doesn't matter if it's because you hate somalians or if you just dont live there, the effect is the same.

Sweden yes

>Voter ID makes sense when you actually have a national ID.
We do. We also have drivers licenses and social security cards and birth cirtificates

>strippimg them of their freedom
Ok, and your pro abortion literally amounts to murdering children

>Implying communism implies loss of freedom at all when the contrary is correct
>Specially since it's an economic mode of production, nothing more.

You do understand a child is not part of their body, don't you? Also, as a child everyone, including the state, specially the mother are to see it is delivered in good health to an institution which will take care of it, otherwise it would be abandonment.

Marxist communism literally implies suppressing the ""bourgoisie"" and taking their shit away and prohibiting private capital property

Also the USSR and China weren't opprressive? You're lkterally like a nazi saying "fascism doesn't imply a loss of freedom!"

But not everyone has a driver's license. And ss cards are something you opt in to, correct me if I'm wrong? Birth certificates, I don't know about, if they are voluntary or if everyone does get one at birth. However I would think they are easily lost in any number of ways, so that it is not difficult to imagine people ending up without one when they reach their thirties, if they come from a bad background.

Could be wrong of course, but if not, then all of those examples aren't something that everyone has and so still keep people from having the ability to vote.

It takes $20 and a few hours at the DMV to get a driver's license or ID card. You are born with a birth certificate. You don't have a choice about SS. If you have literally 0 forms of ID then you can't get a job, buy a house, start a bank account, get welfare, or drive a car. How the fuck are you supposed to prevent voter fraud without some form of voter ID? In your commie utopia, should people just be allowed to walk in and vote anywhere without any regard to how many times theyve voted, whether they're a legal citizen, etc?

>suppressing the ""bourgoisie"" and taking their shit away and prohibiting private capital property
Based and redpilled

>Marxist communism literally implies suppressing the ""bourgoisie"" and taking their shit away and prohibiting private capital property

so would you say it was wrong for the US government to outlaw slavery and take shit away from slave owners? if not, then you must agree it is okay to "take shit" and outlaw certain kinds of property.

based

the bourgeoisie are parasites,they bring nothing
they live like kings while the worker has to kiss their ass to eat...

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>However I would think they are easily lost in any number of ways
How the fuck is a government responsible for you losing your shit in the most inconvenient moment? How the fuck else can you prove who you are on the moment? You take care of those documents you big dumb cuck. Every country does the same. Why would you let someone who is not a citizen of your country to decide over it? Not that Americans have an actual choice in their "democracy" anyways

Also, both latino and blacks do drugs at this point for cultural reasons. It's almost part of their identity, which they consciously decided to take knowing its against the law. My country is the same, gangs are institutionalized now, the whole family, the entire neighborhood belongs to the gang, so even if youre an innocent medic passing by in a neighborhood you dont know you'll get murdered being accused of belonging to the other gang. Thise ethnicities live at the edge of the law and they get what they deserve. How i wish we did too.

Also, your rights end where the rights of others begin. A woman cant murder a child and call it "freedom over my body", knowing the child was dependent on it. Hell, killing yourself is illegal too.

Communists need to be hanged.

BASED

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Go live in Cuba, thanks. Economic freedom is good for the economy, and communism fails every single time probably because it's a 19th century religion not based on any evidence (let's see, I wonder what communist countries are like compared to capitalist ones? USSR, China, Vietnam, North Korea, hmmmm shitholes)

sorry but you didn't answer my question. why was it okay for the US government to steal shit from the bourgeoisie but not the Chinese and Soviet governments?

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A country isn't meant to just throw something you might need at you and say "you're on your own!". If there's something the government needs you to have access to, then it needs to make sure you do. It's a problem for the government if citizens aren't properly documented and registered. That's why censuses exist, it's in everyones best interest if we want things to run smoothly. Just saying "it's your fault if you lose your passport you stupid bitch" first ignores the many situations that might cause a person to not have ID that is out of their control, but also is unproductive, since who's fault it is is not really relevant. What matters is making sure everyone has an ID, and if they don't making sure they get it. It's not some toy that they break and have to learn to live without, it's a national document that is needed both for their benefit and the government's.

Every place is a fucking shithole. At least commies have made it so people actually manage to survive and have decent lives. See Cuba, see USSR.

Capitalism only looks pretty because they mop everyone unconvenient under the rug.

However, i don't give a single shit about any of this anymore. I know those people, they can't be helped, in a literal sense. Just look around at all the rest of failed revolutions, the ones who need them the most never lift a fucking finger for the cause and people with actual futures ahead of them and a handful of values are the ones who take the bullets for them. After those are dead, the scourge rises to leech upon their spilt blood, and the poor and needy? They're still wallowing in the same shit as if nothing happened. Most poor people deserve to be in their place.

Honestly there's nothing in this for either of us. You are a religious convert, you're not going to stop supporting USSR style communism until Muslims convert en masse to Judaism, or you start engaging with non commie retard opinions

theres no hunger in cuba, the problems of the soviet union were caused by corrupt leaders not by the socialist system, vietnam is improving their living standards and so is china (china isn't really communist)
of course their living standards aren't like in the us or europe because they aren't invading foreign countries and stealing their resources..
stop believing in your propaganda

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Capitalism works and made the first world. Poor people in the US have a car and AC and TV and electricity and welfare and... because we're not a shithole. They wouldn't be poor if they had an IQ over 100 and had a healthy childhood anyway

Hmmm I wonder why China and Cuba are improving.... did they happen to revert back to capitalism?

Weird how that works

>it's the leaders fault, not the system!
Capitalism is a perfect system it just so happens that the wrong people have become CEOs and investors lol

>Cuba
Rule of law and safety is nice but their economy sucks, which is why private taxi drivers (recent capitalist reform) make 20x doctors or engineers and they're pretty much all poor

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Man.

People ARE - ALREADY - REGISTERED. I don't even know why you imply there are US CITIZENS that are not registered. The fact that they are US CITIZENS alone implies thay have been given an ID. A fucking document, not any document, but one in which they recognize they're protected by the state. How in the fuck is someone who is supposedly a US citizen not able to get his document? I'm pretty sure you're just making shit up at this point.

Or perhaps, you imply illegal immigrants, not recognized or protected by the US state, even hunted down for making use of resources of said nation for their selfish purpose in an extralegal manner, are supposed to be able to take decisions over it. You're a madman. Or Perhaps you're just dumb.

Either way. If you lose your documents, that's on you for being retarded. You'll get issued new documents, but you should have known the inconveniences of it beforehand. You know, it's part of not being fucking dumb.

Reddit loves communism moron

>China and Vietnam*****
Oopsies

> Poor people in the US have a car and AC and TV and electricity and welfare and...
You just proved what i said. Capitalism is so efficient at hiding it's shit you're not even aware there's people living in real shit conditions. You know what the thing is? You outlaw vagrancy, begging etc. As long as the people are forbidden of being on the streets, they won't die on the streets. Real classy.

>their economy sucks
Hmm I wonder if this has anything to do with being embargoed, infiltrated, and threaten with war by the world’s largest economy who also happens to be their closest neighbor.

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>embargoed
>implying trading with capitalists is moral

Not an argument.

Not an argument.

so are you at least a blue collared communist or are you one of those communist who has never gone hungry, uses an iphone and drinks starbucks while their parents pay for college?
cause I can at least see where someone is coming from with the bluecollar poor background

>did they happen to revert back to capitalism?
I mean, China was sorta agrarian feudal before communism. I don't think there was ever any point when the whole country was actually capitalist. And Cuba, it's doing better now than it did under the dictator Batiste, back when it was capitalist.

>muh strawmen
Not an argument.

starbucks drinking commie it is then

You can legally be a communist, you can just cant be a member of a group whose goal is to overthrow the government.
The problem with communism is that by very definition they believe in ultimate abolition of government

>are you one of those communist who has never gone hungry, uses an iphone and drinks starbucks while their parents pay for college?
That's a weird standard to hold communists to. If you've been a part of the capitalist system all your life you can't criticize it and seek to change it? Ooh, he drinks at Starbucks, must mean he acknowledges the superiority of capitalism.

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I mean AnCaps want the government gone too

but a fetus is not a child.

once the umbilical cord can be safely cut, it is a child. if it cannot support itself independent of the mother, it is not yet a child. it is part of the mother.

...

Don't you know you don't argue to convert the person you're arguing against? You argue to convince the people watching. And you aren't looking so great right now.

Capitalism sucks shit. Dress it up with the term "globalism" and you can even get right wing retards to agree.

What exactly is wrong with am*Ricans?

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drinking starbucks just means you have shit taste

finally for once we can agree on something, ivan

Or """crony capitalism"""

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The same goes for employees and employer relations in capitalism. Call it wage slavery and conservative freaks shriek. Dress it up with cutesy euphemisms like "wagey", "toil" or being a slave to a jewish boss and then they agree with you.

You have to be pretty retarded to actually support Stalinism/Maoism. In 1974 as soon as Mao died, capitalist reforms started, creating SEZs that allowed free trade and capitalism. Poverty suddenly plummets and the economy (specifically in those SEZs) takes off. Vietnam is similar, look at pic related lmao

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you dont need to be starving to be a socialist..i happen to be privileged but many people around the world are not
the left cares about the vulnerable people,not the parasite businessman who ignores the workers..

"it's better to walk barefoot than to steal shoes"

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Yeah capitalism sucks it's so fucking shit! Reeeee murder rich people

Lol

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>create a business
>provide jobs for workers, make a product people want or need, and sell it to them
REEEEE PARASITES I WORK AT MCDONALDS IM THE REAL WORKER

>make a product
Workers do that
>sell the product
Workers do that

>look at pic related
That's just opinion polling tho

Anyway, about those capitalist reforms. Much of the reason the economy was able to take off was because of the long period of industrialization leading up to it, under Mao.

And I absolutely don't "support Stalinism/Maoism", Just sharing points I've heard from ML:s to see what counter arguments people have.

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then they can make their own shit on the side and sell it

>all of those deaths are in socialist africa and middle east and SA
Hmmmmm

Workers need a capital structure to actually be paid. Being an entrepeneur sucks and mostly leads to repeated failures. Companies allow workers a large amount of safety and security, not to mention market penetration in the first place.

Leaf

>Much of the reason the economy was able to take off was because of the long period of industrialization leading up to it, under Mao.
How? By making it illegal to start a business and murdering smart and productive people en masse? Capitalism has lifted billions out of poverty in the past 30 years.

How do you know if a person is a communist or not

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If Blade is Maoist, does it mean that Blade- King form is Jason Unruhe?

I mean, with that map, have you considered that the green bits aren't good, thriving first world nations because they are "free", but that they are free because they are wealthy, resource-rich, post-industrialized, advanced and educated nations? Economic freedom is something that rich countries can afford, but in places where the economy is in it's adolescence, tariff free influx of foreign businesses and resource extraction isn't really something that can be implemented without quickly spiraling out of control, and the government winding up in debt to foreign creditors while selling off all the natural resources it has.

>By making it illegal to start a business and murdering smart and productive people en masse?
Do you really think that's what happened in China after Mao died?
>How?
By mechanising and modernising agrigulture sector, mining and other particularly backwards sections of the economy. By opening factories and manufacturing assemblies across the country, which would later help Chinas economy enourmously when they engaged in exports with foreign countries.

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Economic liberalization *obviously* improved China and Vietnam, despite their poverty. Economic freedom isn't something you can't "afford"--Sweden used to be extremely poor in the early 20th century but with economic freedom they have become what they are now.

>resource rich
Hahahhahaha europe has very few resources compared to africa even by density.

>workers allow a large amount of security
Layoffs and at will employment beg to differ. Entrepreneurs are now given bigger safety nets than workers. Oxymoronically the safety net gets bigger the richer the owner was before beginning the business.

The cultural revolution and great leap forward killed millions. Idk how you can claim he modernized their agriculture lol. Most of China's factories were built by capitalist investors after 1974.

Compare being poor and starting a business and being poor and working for a company. Which is easier retard