Communism collapses

Communism doesn’t fix slavism

How does anyone live in one of those things willingly at this point?

What exactly? There are so much different ways of living in America - wagons, board houses, apartments, villas.

don't know anyone who wants to live in a house in the suburbs

because most of Croats already live there so it's normal for you, you don't even think how privileged you are that you can have a BBQ party in your own garden

oh you know that the majority of Americans live in houses and that's what America is commonly associated with

people here can barely afford a flat, houses are damnably expensive

>All people should be able to afford a house in the suburbs. That's the middle class dream.
too much american movies

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>even "urban" in America is actually a house with its own garden

Do americans really visit libraries? For reading books?

they don't
most live in flats in flat blocks

true

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Wait, people don't have their own gardners in Poland? wtf
I literally have an avocado tree, and other shit that grew out of nowhere in my house lol

---> don't lie, maybe in Zagreb they do, but in all of Croatia the majority live in houses

Living in the countryside with a comfy house is pretty good. I guess this is what most Poles wanted.
Most people here live in flats in cities. If it's well built and have a nice architecture, you can have a nice life. You don't have to live in shitty commieblocks.
Only people living outside the cities can have a nice house.

>Wait, people don't have their own gardners in Poland? wtf

Those who live in houses have. But in blocks they obviously don't.

>muh cost
>much efficiency
based polish insect

>let me tell you about your country
zagreb, split, zadar, in every city most live in flats

the statistics say otherwise.

*too many, the point stands tho. Besides the costs, there is the environmental factor as well. Yes, high-rise apartments in dense urban jungles are in fact more "eco-friendly" than American style suburbs, simply because of the fact they don't cover so much land per number of people.

You wouldn't believe but 1 sqm in such a block like in OP can cost even 2000 eur

do the statistics pertain to cities, or to villages and small towns
because people in villages and small towns don't live in suburbia, they live in villages and small towns

oh well, there's like 3 buildings for apartments here
but people Love their roasted meat like BBQ you mentioned there. Pic very related.
No way anybody here would accept to live in apartments/flats, we need our big ass trucks, and a small garden, which leads to cities spread like mad, it takes me about 2-3hours to reach from farthest points in my city, and this city isn't even big.

Seriously, poles should wake up from that cuckshed mentality, get your own house. But anyways, 5 decades of soviet ocupation take its toll on the population's mindset

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hahahahahahha

>Commieblocks are much cheaper way of living than private houses.
doesnt mean everyone wants to live in them their whole lives.

people around here have no problem with it

la creatura...

I unironically despise Americans.

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>So why in the poorest countries in the world everyone lives in houses?
you mean homeless shantytowns?

>All people should be able to afford a house in the suburbs. That's the middle class dream.
No such thing as "should" or "deserve." If you can't afford market value, that's because someone else is willing to pay more than you.

>No way anybody here would accept to live in apartments/flats, we need our big ass trucks, and a small garden, which leads to cities spread like mad, it takes me about 2-3hours to reach from farthest points in my city, and this city isn't even big.

I wish I were you, seriously. I've lived in commieblocks all my life and I'm sure it's one of the main factors that contributed to my depression and social anxiety.

I wasn't joking.

Croatia is so small so I guess a lot of your villages are in fact suburbs and people commute to nearby towns to work. And since Croatian economy is dependent on tourism, a lot of people don't even need to commute, because their job is just to let rooms in theirs houses to tourists

>No such thing as "should" or "deserve." If you can't afford market value, that's because someone else is willing to pay more than you.
dog bless :DDD

>No such thing as "should" or "deserve." If you can't afford market value, that's because someone else is willing to pay more than you.

Well, it works only if you have good urban planning. But here urban planning is retarded, you can't build in many places for no reason or the state doesn't want to build a road or something or something so not enough houses are being built.

In the US you can't build anything but houses in most of the country so developers have to build them and can't make it a luxurious product (therefore more expensive).

>I wasn't joking.
Nigga median price for square meter here is 2500 euros

you can guess what you want, what i'm saying is that most people in cities live in flats and no one i know has had any desire to move into a house in the suburbs

poor americans, kids and students use libraries. adults use bookstores.

do you live in Arbat?

so you're weird people

I live in a single house, with a large yard.

I'm clinically depressed and anxious.

Cringe-tier

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>So why in the poorest countries in the world everyone lives in houses?
Because in poorer countries it's a form of retirement insurance.

why? I don't want to have to drive everywhere and I don't like traffic jams. what exactly is your problem with flats?

t. the country that's 2 TRILLION dollars behind on infrastructure maintenance and is increasingly falling apart

>what exactly is your problem with flats?

humans aren't designed to live in prison cells with other cells above, under and behind you, it was a punishment in all cultures

nowadays bankster tricks make you believe it's good for you

to be hoenst i feel bad in hotels, i feel surrounded by people even i'm alone in a room, it feels bad.
I can buy 2 hectares for 10k euros lol

I'm just saying how it is in north mexico, people want big trucks even if they don't need them, they love making carne asada on saturdays too.

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btw, in the Netherlands or the UK people live in houses with gardens as well and they have good public transport and not really big traffic jams so your argument is invalid

Those are row houses so it's more like a bush in front of the house. There's likely a small garden in the back though, and by small I mean about as wide and deep as the house itself.

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>yeah, we won't have to live in commieblocks anymore, now houses in the suburbs for everyone
t. no one ever

what, the bad thing about a flat is that there are other flats around it?
there are other houses around a house, too.

>In the US you can't build anything but houses in most of the country so developers have to build them and can't make it a luxurious product (therefore more expensive).
Are you a native English speaker? I don't understand this. It sounds like you're complaining that there are too many houses and too few mansions.

>there are other houses around a house, too.

Not as close so you can hear your neighbors having sex

but what's so much better about houses?
that's what i'm asking you

This. If it's spacious it's absolutely great. Also living on high floor gives you some good views on the city.

you can't hear your neighbours having sex in a flat, either. it's called insulation.
genuinely don't know where you live

>In the US you can't build anything but houses in most of the country
youre talking out of your ass, and its abundantly clear you know nothing about US zoning laws.

>Are you a native English speaker?

Obviously I'm not, I'm a fucking Pole.

> It sounds like you're complaining that there are too many houses and too few mansions.

"Too many houses" in the US is a good thing, because houses are something normal there (and therefore cheap), while in Poland they're something luxurious, not even mansions, just normal houses - because most of people live in blocks of flats.

Close is relative, depends on the construction. I've seen apartment blocks where you could hear dogs barking several apartments away, and apartment blocks where you could party with loud music and the neighbor's didn't hear anything.

I wish we had more mid-sized apartment blocks in this country. You really only find them in London and other cities and most of them are recently built.

>but what's so much better about houses?

Your own garden, more personal space, fewer neighbors.

I'm sure if there were no zonings laws, you'd get blocks of flats popping up around your cities just like Canadians get because Chinks buy flats there. Zoning laws are the only reason why you can enjoy living in actual suburbs.

It really depends on wall thickness

>muh 1600 sq ft prison cell
The prison is inside your mind.

>genuinely don't know where you live

In a commieblock where 1 sqm is worth around 1700 eur. And yes, I hear my neighbors arguing, their children crying and them having sex.

>polack starting to understand something
Wew, unexpected.

>I hear my neighbors arguing, their children crying and them having sex.
H O T

>1600 sq ft

I never saw such big flats here. Most of them are 40-60 sqm (430-650 sqft)

>60sqm
I literally live better in méxico kek.

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The definition of luxury is something that the more people posess it the worse it becomes and the worse it makes things overall. This includes large detached houses and cars because they decrease social adhesion and increase travel times, public utility costs and environmental pollution. Everyone can't live in giant sheds. Some people can. But not everyone. Selling the idea that everyone can and should have affordable access to luxuries (and that luxury noticably increases life quality in the first place) is probably the greatest American fallacy of the last century, and basically at fault for all public planning mistakes of post-war times.

so your problem is that you live in a poorly built flat?
look, i've lived in a flat, i've lived in a house. haven't really noticed anything superior about houses, and i wouldn't want to live in one instead of a flat
and why would fewer neighbours be a plus? it's much simpler for your kid to find friends if you live in a planned neighbourhood of flat blocks. you have a small park with a playground, and enough neighbours that your kid can find some friends among them
I guess. are flats bad in Russia?

>Everyone can't live in giant sheds.

They don't have be "giant". I think the Netherlands has the best housing system in the world, they live in houses big enough to be comfortable for a family, they have a garden and other amenities yet they're not so sprawled so public transport still works well there

I guess we have just different views on what's good life.

I want to live in Mexico so badly now

Commieblocks built in 60s-80s are shit - small apartments with low ceiling and thin walls. Commieblocks built in Stalin's era and post 90s - are mostly good, except some cheap projects maybe.

The idea of painting anime characters on commieblocks is really funny to me for some reason

>do you live in Arbat?
no it's just moscow pricing for ya

hmm
here most are in good quality, but post-90s are really fucking ugly

come home white man
>anime will defeat communism

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Ah and square meter in arbat is 17564 euros

>North of México

Aaah yes, those subhumans

They still use a massive amount of coal for their electricity.
It's cheap, and the mighty dollar is the only thing that counts as we all know.

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Soviet modernism was a gift from god.

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colonial building, in a touristic zone in a touristic city.
just go to work to germany for a while and come here famalam.

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What are those? Suburbed commieblocks?

Too poor to build apartments, Here people usurp private property and build a hut on it, They make gangs to make sure nobody tells them a thing for it, and then they wait until an international NGO builds them a block house for them, they make yet another hut on top of the first house and wait until someone builds them yet another floor.

Dutch basically all live in row houses, which I actually agree are the ideal solution for medium density family life. But a good city has a healthy mix of apartments, row houses and detached houses depending on central proximity and neighborhood income values. There's no "one size fits all" solution for housing, just like there's no "one size fits all" solution for transport. The only thing that's for certain is that detached houses and cars for everyone cost too much and waste too much space.

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I talked about apartment's quality. If speaking about how their exterior - then
60s-80s modernism and standartisation>>>stalin's era>>>>>modern ugly shit

Agreed. And I think for detached homes the lot sizes should be small. Like in streetcar suburbs here or in Japan all over.

Suburbs must be utter garbage. The US has vast tracts of unused land but only has few factories here and there, larger business in cities farther away so comuting with a car is a necessity. Thats the reason they get kilometers long traffic jams. Is having this shit 5 days a week for a bbq where theres people you dont even want to meet worth it?

>Suburbed commieblocks?

You can call it like that. That's the most popular type of housing in all of Eastern Europe.

>Is having this shit 5 days a week for a bbq where theres people you dont even want to meet worth it?

fucking yes

>Here people usurp private property and build a hut on it, They make gangs to make sure nobody tells them a thing for it, and then they wait until an international NGO builds them a block house for them, they make yet another hut on top of the first house and wait until someone builds them yet another floor.
Based and redpilled.

i'll have to agree with you on that
heh, whenever there's a thread about commieblocks, I always remember the irony of fate. what a comfy film. I should rewatch it.

Is that why any time I street view in latam I usually see the top floor of the home look incomplete?

Just watched this last week

this

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In most flats here there is a common area with a garden, a bbq area and even a pool, along with underground parking and other services, the maintenance is paid by everyone so its cheaper to mantain

Unless the flat you live in is total trash, it is much easier than life in the suburbs

>Commieblocks are much cheaper way of living than private houses.
Not really