Fuck you America

airbnb is fucking cancer

>america is cancer because they dont let me use their services

They were probably worried about all the robberies that would inevitably occur.

Correction
It should be
"fuck you American government and Americans who suppirt neocons doing stupid shit like this"

>tfw you get banned by airbnb for writing "no gays allowed" on your hotel ad

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I literally dont see how you can have any problem with it unless you personally own a hotel in an event/vacation hotspot

imagine wanting to stay in an airbnb in crimea right now

just make your own service faggot
there is nothing wrong with a country preventing its enemies from using its services

I'm renting a house in crimea already is not a big problem of you want to stay for a week or more. It's awesome btw .
But I can't research best prices for my back way by car to Siberia cause somehow Crimeans are banned from the internet

airbnb made it impossible for native venetians to find a flat in their own city. everything is rented out second hand to tourists.

What have Crimeans ever done
Service is available in the rest of Russia

its the free market. blame their tourist industry for providing the market in the first place

>blame their tourist industry
which airbnb is part of

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during_the_Ukrainian_crisis

> government banning private enterprises from doing business is a free market
What the fuck Tyrone

You have Russia IP in Crimea?
I thought there are Ukrainian IPs.

its a service filling in a demand. the tourist industry already existed, this is just a way to more cheaply do what people already did. Kind of like what uber did to taxi services.
There is nothing preventing italy from pushing away tourists like norway is doing
heartmybackpack.com/norway/off-the-beaten-path/
but they wont because the benefits of the tourism far outweigh the negative impact to the locals

These are for economic embargoes, not sanctions. Crimea is there because it's not legally recognized by the US.

Yeah but what's the logic here
"let's make Crimeans lives difficult so they'll hate Russia"? Crimeans do know who's banning shit. It's right there in the page - US government. Russia right now is building highways and provides all credit card services, stuff like that

So you think this course of action is wise will work to turn Crimeans away from Russia? I can tell you what my impression is from interacting with locals

the venice and crimea situations are two completely different cases. learn to read you illiterate nigger. of course economic sanctions are not a part of the free market

Embargoes are not sanctions? Why are they caked sanctions then

How are Crimeans your enemies?

Because they want to be part of Russia.

Fuck you Russia

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they want ot make life harder under russian rule so they will be more likely to want to go back to ukranian rule. Its also the reason why the EU prevents any european investment in the region. Just tell putin to stop being a nigger and you wont have to make threads like this bitching that the first world isnt letting you play with their toys

If r*ssia is so great, why do you need the US to acknowledge you? But we all know not only russian girls dream of old american men to rescue them, also russian boys want to marry old american men to escape Putler.

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RNKB is fine though card service is 5-10 years behind the rest of the country

>lets punish these people for allegedly being annexed (according to us)
>that'll surely get them on our side
Fantastic dilpomacy

they have been mostly compliant with annexation so the rest of the west wants to give them economic reason to return to ukranian rule. America isnt the only one doing this you know

Кaкoй caмый пoпyляpный бaнк в Кpымy?
Кaк пeнcиoнepы пeнcии пoлyчaют тaм?

Genius plan
I thought America was all about freedom and democracy?

>want to travel to Russia
>€25 visa for EU countries
>except UK and Ireland which is €100
wtf russia explain this

sanctions have historically worked as ways to nonviolently pressure people into doing what they want. I far prefer this to physically entering a war

american logic
Only one now. Now after Trump turns EU against US with tariffs, EU didn't impose any new embargoes, like in Scripal's case or anything.

Year but do you think this is working? Are you making friends in Iran by denying both islsmists and anti - government opposition US services? Don't you think it's just old and powerless cold war relics making laws that just hurt random people in between burying each other, so as to just go through the motions of doing something bad with the few years they have left?

Picrelated is my today's dinner btw. Already posted it.

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>Fucking anglosaxon's world is eternal enemy of saint russian folk

Я видeл PHКБ, oт нeгo paбoтaют вce тepминaлы в мaгaзинaх и нa зaпpaвкaх гдe я был. Ho я cнимaю дoм в eбeнях, нe yвepeн чтo тaк вeздe

Same as with EU and UK. EU vias is even more expensive, it costs 35 Euro. I don't remember UK's visa.
But it's mutual agreement. Russia wanted to cancel visas for long time ago.

Well they obviously wont work in this scenario where you're only sanctioning a supposedly annexed region while simualtaneously hoping that they'll return to you. Kek
So ESSENTIALLY what you're saying is that you want to undermine their right to self-determination.

there is nothing undemocratic about this. you are just throwing in words with no substance
simply wishful thinking

I cannot explain Ireland
My guess is fit for tat, probably costs the same the other way around. Can't be assed to check

But we're not part of the UK let us in

No EU are cheaper I literally only checked 2 weeks ago. Ireland and the UK are the only expensive ones I guess because of the current political events but I don't like how we get punished when we're not even part of the UK

Also as I remember, before Ukrainian crisis, most of EU countries wanted to cancel visas with Russia, except Butthurt belt countries.
Even now, Italy and France and some other countries, except Butthurt belts, give long term visas to Russians, for few years even.

> sanctions have historically worked
That's a bold statement

>No EU are cheaper I literally only checked 2 weeks ago
>let me tell you about your country
Schengen visa costs 35 Euro for Russians.

I would say so, yes
ft.com/content/cad69cf4-3e40-11e8-bcc8-cebcb81f1f90

>there is nothing undemocratic about this. you are just throwing in words with no substance
>democracy
>words with no substance
QED kek
Sure there isYou're trying to punish people for their democratic choice and their right to self-determination

>Schengen visa costs 35 Euro for Russians.
yes, while for Ireland and the UK its more than double, that's why I'm complaining

democracy has no substance to your argument because a democratically elected government imposing sanctions on another country for violating international law is not undemocratic in any way. you are just throwing words at the wall and hoping some of them stick

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>letting russians into your country

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Can you copypast the ghist of it? Sanctions, remember?

Come on
Punishing democratic choice has to give any democratic nation a pause

Is not empty words and 'democratic' has plenty of meaning in the context

sanctions were largely the source of downfall of Idi Amin in Uganda back in the 70s in a nonviolent way
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin

> Britain
Come on kuzu you know London is a joke to the worst of our lot

> joke
Home
Autocorrect

There's nothing surprising about this

>No EU are cheaper I literally only checked 2 weeks ago.
He's talking about the cost for Russians
>on another country
Im talking about the sanctions on Crimea, a disputed territory the sanctuons to which dont apply to the rest of Russia.
>has no substance to your argument
I just explained how it did you dip. >Crimea democratically chose to leave Ukraine and join Russia
>you're imposing sanctions on them for it
But even if it has nothing to do with democracy as you say, why are you specifically trying to undermine their right to self-determination?
>violating international law
But you clearly just said that the sanctions are meant to sway the opinion of Crimeans into going back to Ukraine. That implies that the joice was thwirs to begin with and no international law was violated.

>tripfag
>brit
nothing worse than this combo

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*choice
*theirs
damn phoneposting

Yes that's why I disapprove

Wow did not know that
So the shining beacon of democracy and a valuable US ally that Uganda is now, is a result of that?

Cool

Not a brit
I think this might be an old and well respected in certain circles for his choice of legwear homosexuality looking person originally born in I think Latvia

Please be respectful as well

THIS is what you call a democratic process? This is what your beliefs hinge on? I knew you were a phone poster before you even mentioned it. This discussion is done
>democratic choice
lol

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That seems to be a vote in Kiev bro
What's got to do with

woops forgot this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014
>The referendum was regarded as illegitimate by most members of the European Union, the United States and Canada mainly due to Russian intervention.[14] Thirteen members of the United Nations Security Council voted in favor of a resolution declaring the referendum invalid, but Russia vetoed it and China abstained.[15][16] A United Nations General Assembly resolution was later adopted, by a vote of 100 in favor vs. 11 against with 58 abstentions, which declared the referendum invalid and affirmed Ukraine's territorial integrity.[14] As the plebiscite was proclaimed, the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People had called for a boycott of the referendum.[17][18] The Mejlis Deputy Chairman, Akhtem Chiygoz, felt that the actual turnout could not have exceeded 30–40 percent, arguing that to be the normal turnout for votes in the region.[19]
to call what happened a democratic process is downright wrong

forgot to CTRL V literally 90% of the post
literally only russia believes the vote was legitimate

>literally no rebuttal
>i-i k-knew you were a phoneposter
>t-this discussion is done
Pathetic.
You need to choose. You either think the Crimean people made a choice for themselves or that you're punishing innocent people occupied by a law-breaking regime. Since I assume that you dont actually believe the latter considering you've already stated that the purpose of the embargo is to sway their opinion back towards Ukraine, and because it just generally wouldnt make any sense, you have to face the fact that your government isn't the selfless vanguard of democracy and self-determination it claims to be. In fact considering that this embargo goes against these very principles I'd say that your motives are much more selfish than you claim.

Now you seem to be misusing the term
It's not democratic when unrelated nations approve
It's democratic when people voice their opinion and they're vice is heard. For example, US EU et all approve of votes like what's happening in this vid, and things like that Not exactly a good benchmark

>felt
>proclaimed
>couldnt have been (we swear)
Shameful display

:3

>they have been mostly compliant with annexation so the rest of the west wants to give them economic reason to return to ukranian rule

wow the west is so respectful of democracy. It's as if they didn't vote for annexation either.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOUR OPINION IS DIFFERENT TO MINE?
NO SUCH THING EXISTS

Both of your arguments hinge on the belief that a vote that originally had a reported 123% voter turn out rate is in any way believable or legitimate. you are free to believe what you want but its your opinion vs the rest of the worlds

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Please actually respond to the argument if you can

are you posting from a Crimean IP?

You are bringing up shit that has already been addressed and keep putting words in my mouth
>You either think the Crimean people made a choice for themselves or that you're punishing innocent people occupied by a law-breaking regime
there is no choice here. you are framing the situation in a loaded way.
>since I assume that you dont actually believe the latter considering you've already stated that the purpose of the embargo is to sway their opinion back towards Ukraine,
I dont believe the latter because your framing the argument in a dishonest way.
>you have to face the fact that your government isn't the selfless vanguard of democracy and self-determination it claims to be
I never claimed it was. you are grasping at shit at this point
>In fact considering that this embargo goes against these very principles I'd say that your motives are much more selfish than you claim.
again, this makes no sense. all of europe is going along with the sanctions as well and everyone, including america, has lost out on money enforcing sanctions imposed by the crimean crisis

>Both of your arguments hinge on the belief that a vote that originally had a reported 123% voter turn out rate is in any way believable or legitimate.
They really dont. If you believe that the referendum was illegitimate and that Crimea is occupied territory then why are you trying to sway their opinion against Russia? Surely that would be redundant if that was the case.
>you are framing the situation in a loaded way.
I'm not though. See above
>I never claimed it was.
Good. Because it clearly isnt
>all of europe is going along with the sanctions as well
I'm not talking about Europe though. I'm talking about the American embargo on Crimea.

>they really dont
they absolutely do. almost all of your comments made the attempt to tie the situation into one of freedom and democracy () self determination ()()() when it absolutely is not unless you believe a vote that had more voters than residents to be legitimate
>I'm not talking about Europe though. I'm talking about the American embargo on Crimea.
I am, the EU prohibits any european country from making investments in crimea. you are framing this as purely an american thing when its the majority of the west. To brush away the majority of people taking part in the sanctions as irrelevant is a very poor strategy when you are trying to make your point.

Ultimately this discussion has been entirely fruitless. You obviously have the opinion that the annexation was a democratically right one which completely dictates your point of view on the rest of the argument. If evidence of election tampering as well as the opinions of all of your neighboring countries is not enough to change your opinion then an anonymous poster on a malaysian basket weaving forum sure as fuck wont. Truth be told im tired of us talking in circles

>almost all of your comments made the attempt to tie the situation into one of freedom and democracy ( (You) #) self determination ( (You)
And justly so. Because that's exactly what this is about.
>a vote that had more voters than residents
>what is incorrect reporting

>I am though
Why?
>EU prohibits any european country from making investments in crimea. you are framing this as purely an american thing when its the majority of the west
Let's not pretend that the EU isnt just an american lapdog.
But even if it wasnt I dont see how your whataboutism is relevant.
>Truth be told im tired of us talking in circles
Then why do you KEEP avoiding the question?
If you believe that the referendum was illegitimate and that Crimea is occupied territory then why are you trying to sway their opinion against Russia? Surely that would be redundant if that was the case.
Clearly the US govt BELIEVES im the regerendum itself (without admitting it openly). Otherwise we wouldnt be having this discussion

>evidence of election tampering
Bullshit. We're not talking about circumstantial hearsay that's easy to fabricate here. There is a simple question here aimed to address the logic of the US foreign policy towards Crimea.
Through careful analysis it seems self-evident that America believes that the Crimean people want to be part of Russia.
>opinions of all of your neighboring countries
Why do you keep differing reponsibility onto others?

so now you go from your argument not hinging on the democratic process () to now fully admitting that it does in the very next post?

>But even if it wasnt I dont see how your whataboutism is relevant.
to provide examples of people who are in support of the sanctions. the fact that you dont understand why that is relevant makes me question if you are even trying right now
>If you believe that the referendum was illegitimate and that Crimea is occupied territory then why are you trying to sway their opinion against Russia?
to give them economic obligations to fight back against their invaders
>Clearly the US govt BELIEVES im the regerendum itself (without admitting it openly). Otherwise we wouldnt be having this discussion
this is so retarded and requires such leaps in logic that I doubt even you believe it. the only things that the UN gains from imposing such sanctions is to deter countries from invading one another

and now we are back to square 1. you have your opinion and refuse to change it despite evidence that you are wrong. no amount of circular argumentation is going to change this.
Im done. In the end I did nothing to change your opinion on the matter, and thats ok. You are entitled to your opinion. Just dont be surprised when people dont take you seriously on the matter when your opinion differs from the rest of the western world

>so now you go from your argument not hinging on the democratic process ( (You) #) to now fully admitting that it does in the very next post?
Point being?
>the fact that you dont understand why that is relevant makes me question if you are even trying right now
You're moving the goalposts and using whataboutism. I asked a simple question
>to give them economic obligations to fight back against their invaders
Ahahah. Are you for real? Is that the best you could come up with? Bahahahhahahahahaha
So, so wait.. your plan is to completely syphon off their economy thus depleting them of resources to fight and making them hate you and then hope that they'll fight for your side? This is some next level mental gymnastics my man. I doubt that you actually believe this.
>this is so retarded and requires such leaps in logic that I doubt even you believe it.
And yet I've quite literally just proven it through simple incremental logical analysis.
> the UN gains from imposing such sanctions is to deter countries from invading one another
Im talking about American geopolitical games.

tourism doesn't benefit locals

>no amount of circular argumentation is going to change this.
You should take your own advise then.
You clearly cant adequately answer one obvious and blindingly simple question.
Quite literally in denial at this point, Jesus Christ
>Just dont be surprised when people dont take you seriously on the matter when your opinion differs from the rest of the western world
I mean most people are stubborn brainwashed sheep so I'm not surprised at all lmao. And once again your whataboutism is not an argument

No, it is not. Give it back, Vladimir.

>how DARE you have a different opinion than me
Absolute state of this yank

It's about as Russian as Ibiza is British.

Your foreign trashy beach resort can't be not foreign, what kind of madman are you?

I understand anyway that Ukraine has no telcom or Internet infrastructure of their own and they rely entirely on Russian services.

I have clearly stated that you are free to have your own opinion and yet you seem to be quite angry that I have backed up my opinion with a source with your only response you were able to muster is "f-f-fake news!".

You have literally resorted to calling all of the united nations security council stupid brainwashed sheep because you hold the opinion that differs from them and yet you think im the angry one because you, a single anonymous poster, holds a contrarian view on a widely accepted major world event

give it up. hes likely paid to continue while you having nothing to gain, just walk away