Post your favorite battles from wikipedia. No edits and with reliable sources

>Loses their leader and 30,000 man to 3000 people
>It changed nothing

Portugal did a lot of wrecking in the Empire days, but this one is my favourite.

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it's almost as if defending a castle isn't that hard. pic related. relief force didn't take part in the battle. there was one more siege where we actually won against habsburgs' 100k men with laughable numbers but couldn't find it right now.

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I'm just saying it was impressive for what it was. The French seems like it's taking it personally. It was a good battle, outnumbered 10 to 1.

I'm sure you find Ottomans doing the same.

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>with reliable sources
Nothing in history has reliable sources.

look at pic related, on the right, you can see that in 1577-1577 the ottoman empire was doing waaay better than in 1566 before that battle, the deficit got lower and the

you can also see on the right that the christians states around were still tributarian after 1566
and in the middle table, you can see that 20,000 soldiers is merely 10% of the army lost, and the ottoman could mobilize and form soldier very quickly and easily, it's the ghaza thesis. The ottoman empire also went from 15 to 30 millions people form 1500s to 1600s.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghaza_thesis

Lmao
Turks are best posters
Kara boga

Chinks are truly batshit insane

forget image

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Wish spain and ottomans formed alliance instead of france too bad Spain had to exterminate ottoman navy.

it was a mameluk/arab army, not a turkish one.
in 1799 mameluks were holding Egypt.

You don't know shit about history

I read a whole book about the army ruling Egypt in the 1770-1830 period.

most of the janissairies in the ottoman empire were ethnic arabs too in the 18th.

How much did this cost the ottoman government?
Rip navy

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Arabs/muslims were prohibited from being slaves and so could not be janis.

they were arab but still ottoman. Just because they aren't Turks doesn't mean they aren't Ottoman

thanks for your imput

this random message on Jow Forums makes all the books, historical docouments, academic work, very precise numbers and datas about the arabs that became janissairies false

you just changed history buddy.

Im being objective here I have no political narrative, I thought janis were picked from christians to be slaves mainly from serbia?

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the relation between the ottoman power and the Egyptian Eyalet in the late 18th was extremly complex, as complex as the relation between the mameluks, turks and arabs in the military of 18th egypt. Pic related.

just translate and read this, it's 25 pages of academic work on that subject books.openedition.org/psorbonne/2478

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who the fuck has a "favorite battle" lmao

war fetishization is so fucking disgusting, you have to be empty-brained to be interested in that kind of thing

Game?

pic related, the arabs joined the janissary corpse in many parts of the empire, egypt, syria etc.

Algeria was the exception
journals.openedition.org/remmm/244

>Recruitment
> It should also be noted that, despite unanimous evidence to the contrary, the Algiers janissary militia already included ethnic Algerians in its ranks at the beginning of the 18th century. The analysis of 1460 inventories after the death of Janissaries who died in the 18th century reveals the presence of sixteen ethnic Algerians among the Janissaries (about 1% of the corpus analysed). This presence was not massive, but the figures give the impression of equality between the number of Algerians in the militia and that of Christians converted to Islam (Shuval, 1998: 62-63). However, local recruitment remained very marginal, and the percentage of indigenous Janissaries did not change between the beginning and end of the 18th century (ibid.: 63-64). A comparison with the other Ottoman provinces at the same time underlines the unique character of the situation in Algeria. According to Marcus (1989: 58), Aleppo had some 4000 indigenous Janissaries in the 18th century, while in Cairo there were some 14000 (Hathaway, 1997: 14). Raymond stresses the importance of local recruitment in a majority of Ottoman provinces to the point that he believes that "Generally speaking, soldiers of local origin dominated the odjak" (Raymond, 1989: 354).The same author also notes the difference between Algeria where local recruitment was almost nil, and Tunisia "where local forces became increasingly important".

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imagine being a diaspora and youre one source of nationalism is getting mad online

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I cant read frog

Imagine being finlan
On the periphery of the planet.

Makes sense since jani was a more promising career than farming, or being a peasant and so has more willingness of provinces to join in such a posistion.

libgen.pw/item/detail/id/629470?id=629470
from page 359 to 407

someone post that euro war, where everyone changed sides.

also "The re-emergence of the Mamluks following the Ottoman conquest" page 87
books.google.fr/books?id=WoPF9T4ZiWsC&pg=PA87&dq=The re-emergence of the Mamluks following the Ottoman conquest&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj56oydspPdAhURzoUKHUSNBrkQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage&q=The re-emergence of the Mamluks following the Ottoman conquest&f=false

here you go, read it legally

yeah they had a very high income, especially in north africa, they always asked for more. They even asked in 1568 to join the barbary piracy, they also wanted to tax the pirats more so the state could afford their pay
the inflation in the late 16th didn't help either, and they had to take side-jobs, civil work

but if a janissary married a woman, he would lose everything, his heritage etc. They had to stay non-married.

Very interesting.

Battle of Vienna, 1683
>Desperate defenders on the walls, a mix of poorly trained recruits outnumbering the city guard
>Most have lost hope that help will come
>Its no longer a question of whether the city will fall, but how much of a fight they can put up
>In the distance a massive cloud of dust appears to grow
>18,000 cavalry approaches, 3000 of which are the famed hussars

The Rohirrim charge in LOTR is based on this

youtube.com/watch?v=8Tgi-j56ueU

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>Pierre Boyer (1970a: 88) places the beginning of this "astonishing policy of birth restriction and celibacy" at the beginning of the 18th century. It was aimed mainly at ordinary soldiers, who constituted about 80% of the Janissaries. Soldiers, whose relative wealth was very limited compared to that of the rank group (Shuval, 1998: 68), enjoyed a range of privileges that depended on their celibacy. Thus, for example, marriage was sanctioned by the removal of the soldier from the list of those entitled to daily bread and by the expulsion from the barracks (Peyssonnel ; 236 ; Tassy ; 135 ; Venture de Paradis : 185). These sanctions clearly show that the ocak did have a restrictive policy with regard to marriages. This policy appears to have had remarkable results: the marriage rate among militia members (about 18.5 per cent) is significantly lower than that among civilians (about 37 per cent) (Shuval, 1998: 104-105).

some cool original illustrations that are related alaintruong.com/archives/2017/10/10/34745731.html

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Janis were prohibited from marrying so their power was non heritable and died with them, right?

Not accurate actually, there was fighting going on outside the city and in the suburbs and the Ottomans were already pushed back by infantry before the cavalry arrived
That cavalry charge was more like the nail in the coffin for the Turks at Vienna

it was a way to avoid non-turks from taking the power

>The military-administrative elite in the arab provinces had a restrictive policy of marrying its members with local women. These marriages, especially with arab women, could create links between members of the Ottoman elite and the local population. The ocak, which wanted to prevent this kind of relationship to keep its Turkish identity, wanted to minimize this risk. This is clearly demonstrated by the distinction between the legal status of the sons of militia members and indigenous women, the kuloğlu, and the sons that the Ottoman elite had with foreign women, who were considered "true Turks" (Tassy, 1992: 58).

this policy led to many race war between turks (janissairies), half turks and arabs in the arabic provinces. Very bloody war, but eventually the race mixed population took more and more power.

Came here for decisive Tang victory

youtube.com/watch?v=tv6ySRXFSUA
This battle is nothing but hype

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By the way, this isn't to smear it to the Brits. I just find it fascinating as fuck how a crippled man stopped the second biggest military landing in the history of war.