ITS ALL GOING TO SHIT

Argentinians are honorary Italians, you can all come here

I hope things get better for you guys

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english article

forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2018/08/30/at-least-us36-billion-has-evaporated-in-argentina-the-corruption-paradigm/#80500fb4d50a

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Give euro citizenship NOW!

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i honestly have no idea what's gonna happen now

all major political parties has irreparably ruined their reputation. this is like if the reps and dems disbanded and gringos had to vote for complete unknowns

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Same request, argentinian user.

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I feel like Argentina is constanly bankrupt
like what the fuck is happening there?

>remember when brazil did their thing and impeached dilma and like arrested 100 other politicians
But we arrest the center left ones so was easy, arrest right wing ones is hard

some 2-4 people who can't feed themselves if not for goverment payments
universal collegue
universal healthcare
basically if you work 5 days, 3 days you worked are taken by the state.

we have 0 economic elasticity and whenever some foreigner looks at us funny we explode

yeah we are lucky out current prez is hardline anti corruption

sound like France #2

like if it was a piece of cake..

lol

>we literally tanked our economy to get rid of the corrupt
Interesting. It's as if the economy loves corruption., especially under a neoliberal regime

neoliberalism was in the 90s. now it's a Bad Word here.

current govt is wants to be explicitly apolitical, but most of it's members are center-right

>apolitical
What do you mean? Like a technocrat government?

>universal collegue
>universal healthcare
>causes cunt to go bankrupt
and you guys make fun of us

next time don't nationalize foreign industries commie

those two are ok. it's the first that is the problem.

we basically give far too many guaranties to the worker class. you can't get laid off unless the company is willing to pay you a full salary for each year you worked as compensation, which means 10 years old workers are basically unfireable.

That is just one of the many problems and over regulations underlying our human capital market, and the primary reason it's so hard to invest in here. Even uber which is objectively a superior form of transport compared to taxis and remises (low tier taxis) has problems entering the country because they can't possibly meet our ridiculous regulations.

Problem is, if we do without this, we put several million people on the streets with no real way to feed themselves.

He's muslim, it's in his culture

we privatized far more than we ever nationalized, boyo

I thought Trump and Maci were going to save Argentina?

Not the same American

sounds like Italy t.b.h., your economy doesn't seem dynamic enough. Of course, the cost of dynamism is that sometimes the bottom 5-10% of the workers get thrown under the bus, so to speak. I would go so far as to say that capitalism requires a certain level of uncertainty and opaqueness to operate

Yeah tell that to Spanish oil though. I understand why Argentina would be angry with Spain over metal production, but oil went way too far. Mining equipment can be moved and transferred, whereas oil drilling basically got stolen by the Argentine state.

B.B--B-B-B-B-B-BUT #based MAURICIO WAS GOING TO MAKE ARGENTINA GREAT AGAIN???? HOW COULD VOTING A LIBERAL ON A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY EVER BACKFIRE???????????????
I'm actually glad this is happening, maybe you fucking retards will finally realize that voting right always fucks you in the ass unless you live in a first world country.

Have you saved in USD?

>Of course, the cost of dynamism is that sometimes the bottom 5-10% of the workers get thrown under the bus, so to speak

To give you an idea: These words have the same meaning in argentina than "let's kill all blacks" has in the USA

macri hasn't done a single reproachable thing, if anything he wasn't hardline enough.

what did us in was in fact playing things by the book. Only in south america your economy enters crisis for arresting the corrupt.

>you can't get laid off unless the company is willing to pay you a full salary for each year you worked as compensation, which means 10 years old workers are basically unfireable.

What the fuck. This is insane. So either everyone gets fired after 11 months or everyone gets a guaranteed job for life. How can you run a company like that?

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obviously
the second i knew macri was going to be president i took out all my savings, bought USD and buried them in my courtyard
honestly you'd have to be retarded to not do this, literally happened 17 years ago

>macri hasn't done a single reproachable thing
how about lying his ass off about every single election promise?
literally all of them
>we're not going to sink peso
peso sinks
>we're not going to bury the country in inflation
buried the country in inflation
>we're not going to go against public education
went against public education
>we're not going to favour the rich
pardoned 70 million dollar debts to the rich

pretty much everything macri did was reproachable

>To give you an idea: These words have the same meaning in argentina than "let's kill all blacks" has in the USA
oh I completely understand, because 1 in 20 or 1 in 10 is still a lot of people. I've come to view capitalism as a machine that needs to be greased, but sometimes the grease sacrifices a component

This is opposed to a central-command economy which foregoes machines and simply uses human labor to accurately and inefficiently drop products where they need to be.

The responsible way to run a capitalist economy would be to ensure dynamism without the lower class starving or going homeless, but it seems that both of our countries aren't capable of that. It's always one extreme or another, which is sad.

>So either everyone gets fired after 11 months
You misunderstand, it's not 12 salaries per year, it's a full month's salary per year. Which also gets added seniority raises and all kinds of crap. Senior workers of any kind can make a considerable amount of money, assuming their job is regulated and not black market.

>how can you run a company like that
you can't, that's the problem. and if you actually fire people then the syndicate parks at your door and doesn't let you open.

I think we should put much greater focus on white collar companies that don't have the same problems, yeah you still pay compensation but you don't get a literal mafia breathing down your neck.

>how about lying his ass off about every single election promise?
lying is not the same as being unable to. He did try.
The other alternative was unironically doing the same thing Venezuela was doing: maintain an untenable welfare state while the economy shrinks to a trickle.

I mean in the sense that merely suggesting this as an option is unthinkable in the minds of the average Argentinians. Class issues are our racism, so to speak. Even if we absolutely have to, people would think it's evil.

Basically we refuse to shake off the clusterfuck of welfare state peronism created in the 50s because we know the worker class's is going to bleed and to us that is anathema.

>He did try.
Yeah he did try and the only bits he succeeded in were the ones that favoured the rich.
Fuck off Marcos Peña.

What went wrong with argentina? It was supposed to be the Canada of south america

>Class issues are our racism, so to speak.
In the USA, the rich use racism and sexism as a barrier to discuss class issues, which jeopardizes their true interests

This is why Bernie Sanders was attacked using sexism, for example, if you were paying attention to our election a couple years ago. The rich use the poor to fight the poor here. I assume that's how it is everywhere else

Macri is too weak. He still allows illegals to enter freely, he has raised welfare to prevent riots and stuff (although that failed, he's not popular with the lower classes) and he won't fire the useless ministers like Marcos Peña and Dujovne.

we forgot to modernize
we thought the agro-economical system would work forever, then the agro-economical system got too powerful and now we can't shake them off

only way to fix argentina is to drag them out and hang them publicly

>the Canada of south america
No that's us, Argentina is literally the Italy of South America

>we thought the agro-economical system would work forever, then the agro-economical system got too powerful and now we can't shake them off
France suffered the same fate, but the European Union saved their inefficient economy. It's only Germany that elevates them today.

You in South America unfortunately don't have similar options, unless you start giving Brazil and Mexico political power in exchange for economic concessions.

>He still allows illegals to enter freely
there's no illegals according to our constitution, Jow Forums kid. Stop sucking gringo dick and use the proper terms.

There's nothing he can't do when most of the country leans center left on a cultural level and the fucking constitution need to be reformed.

our economy is quite more diversified than people believes.

but yeah, 3 things that destroyed our economies happened between 1900 and 1940: The paname channels, the invention of the meat refrigerator, the green revolution. Goodbye agroexporter system.

This
We need to take the money from the fucking churches if we want to survive the next crisis
They has been Living well since a long time

state funding isn't even 7% of the church's total income, it's not even 0.5% of our spending.

Secular powers shouldn't fund churches or mosques IMO

>but yeah, 3 things that destroyed our economies happened between 1900 and 1940: The paname channels
How did Panama negatively affect you? Something to do with Mar de Hoces?

Because before the panama channel we were the primary stop ports for all transatlantic trade. that's a massive amount of tariff money.

there's a reason teddy was acclaimed for "the greatest trade achievement of our times"

Now I see why we have so many immigrants from Argentina here.

did that trade go through Mar de Hoces then? I learned about it recently, although we call it Drake's Passage in English for uh... British reasons

>why do we have so many Russians coming into Israel
>oh

now my jewish friend, you understand what it is to be a magnet for the world's weary, sick, and tired

YHWH save you if you can't fucking cope with your economy, just like us and 10-15 million illegal Mexicans

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we talk about the estrecho de magallanes here. but yeah, that was the primary way to go through the atlantic, unless you were willing to spend a lot of time and money transporting through land.

I'm not sure you can just slap tariffs willy nilly if none of the goods were disembarked brub

>we talk about the estrecho de magallanes here.
ahhhhhh I see

I am very much interested in New World history, and how France, Spain, the Netherlands, and Britain affected it. 90% of that history seems to be naval history

argentina is a nazi haven this is karma

so all of this jagged area is receded glacier, right?

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> that flag
aren't you preparing for an unironic war with all shit about to go loose?

Well, we're also going through the biggest draught in the last 50 years, and around 30% of our exports are agro and their derivates, so...

Drought, "draught" means a drink (pronounced drafft)

I realized you are a globoludo in your first post and is obvious you are a rich fucker who doesnt even need to work since you have been defending this clusterfuck all afternoon, on a weekday.
Go fuck yourself.

thanks pham

You can tax them for getting into the port., also refuelling and repairs. I'm not privy to the details of 1800s trade but it was something like that.

Yesh trade was always the prime motivator of warfare here, labd wars wew a waste of time unless you were chile

that's really interesting, now I get why those people are untouchable in Chile

Looking for american to import me into his country:

I can:
>Work
>Cook one mean asado, and not the burnt trash you guys eat
>Introduce you to the wonders of mate, dulce de leche, empanadas and several other argentine delicacies
>Teach you how to play football (actual football, not handegg)
>Teach you to understand /lat/
>Teach you to roll your Rs so you can get all the ladies

All I ask in return is food, somewhere to sleep and TV to watch fúbol.

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I study at night dumbass.

I don't defend jack shit. Anyone with eyes and a brain knew this was gonna happen. The only unexpected thing here was the corruption scandal. We sealed our fate since 2011

Coward

>dulce de leche
Excuse me sweetie, it's called Manjar ;)

High little ill

life is too short to waste it living in a country with poor conditions desu, maybe things will be amazing in 100 years, who cares? You're not gonna be there to see it

Cringe

only works with marriage, and even then, marriage requires like 2-3 years waitlist

I thought Trump wanted to import millions of white bulls
I'm disappointed

I won't marry you unless you're a cute femboy

Jodete puto narizon nazi
Prefiero tener mil Bolivianos que un solo Arg*ntinoid

It depends on whether muslims ruin your country enough that you would send refugees here t.b.h.

We have the same people here, and they hide behind the Democratic and Republican parties

How tall are you?
How much do you weigh?
How cute is your penis?
Are you hairless?
Where would you work?
How little housing would you need? (Would a tiny detached shed be enough?)

If you answer these questions well, we could make something happen.

Yeah it's Macri's fault that Argentina has a huge deficit that can only cover printing money like it's toilet paper, do you even understand what a devaluation is retard?

>tfw never bothered to get the papers for italian citizenship
why bother at this point it is going to take years anyways

same
i'm fucking regretting it now lmao

Never elect a civil fucking engineer to your presidential position. Also don't elect economists, trust me.

Oh, another economist.
Please tell me how you understand how everything happened but your absolutely useless to predict whats going to happen next.
You pseudo intellectuals with your """"""science""""" really piss me off. You are no more scientific than a psychologist.
I really hope you all die, you and the jews you work for.
>b-but muh value
Kys

Nah he's done sone serious improvements as governor of CABA and had great ideas as president. he was just too green as a politician and trusted the wrong people

wasn't Angela Merkel a chemical engineer?

No. She has a doctorate in physical chemistry, more specifically quantum chemistry.

The full title of her thesis:

'Investigation of the mechanism of decay reactions with single bond breaking and calculation of their velocity constants on the basis of quantum chemical and statistical methods'

Thank you for the correction my autistic friend

Under his governorship CABA was literally neck deep in debt you fucking moron.

we have been doing both for a while

You're both right. He also raised taxes massively. Can't recall right now but even adjusted by inflation I think ABL rose like 500%. That's the running gag with our political class. When in doubt, just increase spending, dump money everywhere, try to figure out how to finance it after the fact.
Not even sure if that debt and tax rise was even worth for the things that improved tbqh.

Debt is just a tool of modern economies you retrograde nigger, and he did all that despite the Ks impeding him at every opportunity withholding funds and all kinds of bullshit.

Chemical != Civil

Merkel is incredibly smart, Macri is a retard

Argentina is not a modern economy. Get that through your fucking skull you retarded wannabe European.
If we play by first world's rules we're always going to be knee deep in shit.

>the Ks impeding him at every opportunity
D-dejen gobernar!!
Fuck off retard.

Argentina really is a great example and reminder of how it all comes down to good governance. You can have the best circumstances, resources, peace and still fail at governing.

>best circumstances
le sneaky CIA man

Argentina doesn't have the best circumstances. First and foremost we went into USA's shitlist when we supported you fucking nazis.
Aside from that, geopolitically we're in an awful position.

>le right wing meme works for south americans
IT DOESN'T
IT IS ALL A LIE
NEVER TRUST THE RIGHT WING

>argentina us not a modern economy

Kek what? Economies don't get to choose if they are modern or not, they modernize automatically. If you are still stuck in industrial ideas you will inevitably fall behind.

We fucked up. Now face the consequences and don't blame scapegoat. We all expected the crisis before macri came in.