Wow... I'm really proud of my ancestors :)

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You are doing the anglo tactic of making the empire look less magnificent than it really was. The vassal states were part of the empire just governed by local princess instead of the sultan, officially they still were part of the empire. Its like saying the California is independent because it has its own head of state

Parasit

Wow... das hat mich jetzt aber echt verletzt... ;(

>Turk in Germany
Who'd have guessed?

Man the Ottoman empire looked so comfy

I mean Californians speak English and have the American flag over them
The vassal states just helped in war and gave taxes
It was just a mutually befical relationship

arabs spoke arabic and they were still part of the empire

greeks spoke greek and they were still part of the empire

bulgarians spoke bulgar but they were still part of the empire

What exactly is your point? they were subjugated by the Turks and thus part of the Ottoman Empire

but muh ebin GroBturkiums :((

verpiss dich in deinen /general/ hans und hol dir mit deinen Kumpels einen runter

Eh it was all right
Just do your own thing and give taxes and that was about it
Compared to other European peasants you had better condition in terms of cleanliness but other then that not much different
Unless you were a noble you really wouldn't be doing anything worth while

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Ozil is that you

Arabs rebbled,Greeks rebbled,Bulgarians rebbled
That was the problem with the vassal system I was telling you about
There was no loyalty or sense of national identity or unity

I mean, when have empires NOT faced constant rebellions?

When there was a native majority

yeah after what 600 years?

look how stupid your ancestors were
they even ditched a safe bet

can you fuck off already

all you do is bait

I mean you didn't have any serious rebellions
I'm taking about Rome and Byzantine
You intergrrated them into your culture and has a sense of national unity
But national unity was no match for the super weapons at the time
Which was Artillery
which the ottamans had and used

To be fair ours weren't very smart either, looking at WW1&2

Did other great powers make no such extensive use of artillery? If so, why not? They must've been aware of the success of the Ottoman artillery, no?

yeah true. ww1, germans had already won against russia. and then they lost it. I blame it on turks tho. and ww2 was just retarded. but wars never work out, sometimes not even for the winners.

>I blame it on turks tho.
Are you retarded? (I'm not even the Turk itt)

I Mean you could have had Austria and Czechoslovakia with out facing any repercussions
But you got greeedy and you invaded Poland and your fate was sealed just like that

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Should've stopped at the Sudetenland tbqh
Invading the rest of Czechoslovakia (and thereby breaking the Munich treaty) prevented any further expansion without war with Britain
Could've probably gotten Danzig peacefully at some point if it wasn't for the invasion of Czechoslovakia
But yeah, obviously Hitler always wanted war

Just imagine a world where Germany,Austia and the German parts czecholslicia are one nation

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BOGA

The Mughal empire used it as well but not on the level of the ottamans
Making gun power wasn't a formula that everyone knew about

So at what point did the other powers catch up regarding firearms?

around the 1600's
the rest Europe and the Ottoman were roughly equally in terms of of weaponry
but the 1700's is when their decline truly started they were getting outmatched by just about everyone
the reason they were to stay afloat was because help from various European leaders the reason for this help because many European leaders knew that if the Ottoman empire would collapse there would more trouble deal with
I truly do believe that if the Central powers had won WW1 the world would be a better place

I'm proud of my ancestors too, OP.

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WE WUZ TURKO-MONGOL-PERSIAN AND SHIIIIIEETTTT

goddamn right, bitch

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Mughal Empire is kinda over hyped in my opinion
a lot of Indians and Pakistanis have this belief that the British defeated the Mughal and took India when thats not the really answer at all
the Mughal Empire was already in pieces by the time the British came to the Indian sub-continent
they made the same mistake the ottomans did t
they never integrated the people they conquered into their empire so their were always rebellion and betrayals waiting to happen
the two Empires that should get more recognition in my are the Durrani and Sikh Empire

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>were actually vassal states
That was how a lot of conquered territory used to be back then.

look at ths guy
even when he conquered people and made them convert to Islam he never made had them change their language or their culture or even tried to assimilate them

>the Mughal Empire was already in pieces
Iirc it was already a vassal puppet state by other neighboring kingdoms or something like that

they were recovering from the ass kicking they had from the Martha Empire
the blank space of the area that is now Pakistan is under at tthat ime the Durrani and the Sikhs Empire
who were stuck in a stalemate with each other

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