Russia goes communist

No.

Besides, we have no communist party so I couldn’t even if I wanted to. We have Sinorussian Lobby Party masquerading as commies.

Start your own commie patry, excuses are for pussies

looks like more kacaps r gonna get sent to syria against heir will...if I wee in russian army, I'd desert...now

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Russia
YES, I also voted for the commies when the mayor of my city was being elected in 2014 and they actually won back then.

>desert

Comrade commissar doesn't think so.

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America.
No.
It's like a weird cult, and the anarcho syndicalists turned into idpol riddled bleeding heart libtards over the years.
We don't have any decent far left groups in America anymore. They all died in the early 2000's. They're more concerned with the boogeyman "racism" these days.

But I am more of an anarchist type of guy.

can't wait for based putin to start the day of the rope
feed the commies to the TIGERS

2 can play that game

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>implying that our Communist Party really cares for communist ideology
No, I don't wote for Red Welfare and Class Collaboration Party.
Hope so.
Gib money, smartass.
Also, there is enough legal groups already, nobody does illegal struggle.
Sad to hear.

Cringe and bluepilled
Take the red (communist) pill

Are they even communist?

>Elections in Russia.

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бaceд aнд peдпиллeд

They declare that they are.
In fact, they don't study their own ideology, they play the patriotic strings the rightists usually pull, they stand for welfare (which is not a communist thing), and promote class collaboration (one of the slogans of yesterday's election campaign in Moscow was something like "One can't impose the domination over people, only collaboration").

Why would anyone vote in communism, especially Russia? Didn't it fuck you guys over majorly?

jews are getting desperate, Assad is getting out of control and if there are not enough rifles pointing at his head he could, right along with hizbollah, launch and invasion on israel.

The c*mmunistic party are banned here, so no.

It's mostly the old people who were born under the regime and who got massively fucked over by the change. Neo-communists exist too: I haven't met anyone in real life, but I imagine that they are like communists in America.

So they are pushing communism? The Russian retards here seem to be buying it, then.

aren't all the old people nostalgic for communism and stalin?

>he does not realize 4shit is one giant leftist shill thread after leftist shill thread,

clearly u r newfag macaco

almost

People vote communists to have a counter effect on the jewishness of things. It's not like anything is suddently going commie when communists get some votes.

>I haven't met anyone in real life, but I imagine that they are like communists in America.
And you're wrong. The younger generation communists is mostly wiser than american libshits. And I mean it - russian cargo-cult of idpol fags is almost nonexistent.
Mostly they care for welfare.

And to clarify some things, because foreigners always assume them wrong:
We have never had a real communism. No, this is not a meme answer, this is serious: if you look at the old slogans, like "Bпepeд, к кoммyнизмy", "вмecтe мы пocтpoим coциaлизм" or some shit - it implies that communism "will happen" in the future.
Second of all, it's not communism itself which destroyed the country - it's bad people in power. Stalin was the last good leader, and even then he is regarded as a bloodthirsty executioner because he was overly ambitious.
TL;DR: USSR was a right wing authoritarian state which used communist ideologies for propaganda. Not real communism.

the modern russian communist party is a social democratic party, they are communist only by name, it's also the main real opposition in russia

on the hindsight i had to vote for grudinin this march instead of (lol) yavlinsky (sobchak is a putin's pet horse)

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Russians love communism. Before communism they lived in cucksheds and they were illiterate. Commies built schools, houses, cinemas, hospitals and infrastructure.

Most people who saw Stalin alive are now in their graves. But, yeah, they are like that.

didn't you retards learn your lesson?

USSR was socialist, not communist. Communism is the goal of socialism but it was never achieved

>right wing
Not really. In comparison with other major powers it was left.
>authoritarian
A cliche, used to make nazis and communists look the same for an average observer.
USSR was a class society, where the state took the role of capitalist. Yes, it wasn't communist, but it definitely wasn't right wing.
The "How many times we have to kill you so you would understand that communism is bad" kind of lesson?

Russia
No, and i fucking regret that i didn't visit the elections yesterday, i'd vote for LDPR - the most right-wing party existing in Russia.

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How can NEET be a communist i dont understandersest

wtf, it's a leftist party whose main agenda is a strong social support by the state, have you mistaken them for united russia because it's them who are patriotic rightists

they are relatively fair as it's shown with post elections reviews and stuff

you realize that unemployment benefits, autism bux etc are originally a socialist idea

from 1-10 how much has Putin fucked up with the Pension hike?

Yes but being a social parasite just leeching off from the state has nothing to do with communism

>it's a leftist party
Leftist, not left.
> main agenda is a strong social support by the state
Yet they claim to be communist, this means that they should promote the move to the new socio-economic formation that would abolish the state and where the communal (or cooperative) property on the means of production would be the dominating form of property.

Communism is the goal of socialism. It's obvious it ''didn't happen yet''.

>Stalin was regarded as a bloodthirsty tyrant
Wasn't that exactly what he was? Didn't he starve and murder millions?
>Second of all, it's not communism itself which destroyed the country - it's bad people in power.
Bad people in power are much more dangerous and much more likely in communism. It's exactly the whole concept of how it doesn't work—it depends on people being nice and good with each other indefinitely, which humans aren't nor will ever be specially in a place as big and diverse as Russia.
Again, why would anyone support communism, specially in Russia where ''whatever it was'' that destroyed you was titled communism/socialism?

it's not in the party program, lol, they would be unconstitutional then

>it's also the main real opposition in russia

There's no real opposition in Russia, all those so-called "oppositionist" parties in our parliament are controlled by the UR.

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We did. That's why people vote for communists.

dont worry cody, communist now have the USA by the nutsack there will be no stopping communist russia now.

YOU SOLD US NONE COMMUNISTS ALL OUT AND STABBED US IN THE BACK!
YOU SOLD US NONE COMMUNISTS ALL OUT AND STABBED US IN THE BACK!
YOU SOLD US NONE COMMUNISTS ALL OUT AND STABBED US IN THE BACK!

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well the party would get more support if not the memories you are talking about

but they are tame right now, just your ordinary socialist party that promotes heavier taxing on those who earn a lot and a better social support for the poor, retired etc

>that destroyed you
What destroyed us? We were destroyed by "liberalisation of economics" and "introduction of true democracy and freedom".
What stops them from having an illegal branch that would do the struggle? Like the one PSR had in the 1900s.

No. Russian communist party is fucking garbage. Need to start from scratch with a new left, that advocates for an actual Leninist agenda, not this christian, nationalist, stalinist nostalgia bs

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no because croatia does not have a communist party, only faggots(sdp-center left) and retards(hdz-right)

I only vote for communists if they're socially conservative.

Anti-feminist, anti-degeneracy, anti-capitalist, anti-elites: based and redpilled

Based Urho.

but they don't
people don't believe in the violent way to establish socialism anymore, also the modern analogue of the old communist parties that fought and did revolutions it's, suddenly, isis

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who fucking cares,if they get a bigger bodycount than stalin ill support them

you know what that feminism is essentially a leftist and socialist idea

was also very popular in the soviet russia before stalin

Your people were constantly massacred and the people smart enough that could do something about it were hunted down. You were left with poor infrastructure, shit tier hospitals and education. Under a more worthy and honorable leader you could have been a first-world thriving country today.

All your politics, political strategies and general Russian ideology on the last century was ''Zerg Rushing'' everything;
>we'll build as many as we can, fuck quality
>we'll just easy our big numbers are meat shields
>we'll just use our big resources to shut down everyone and everything that oppose our tyranny
That's how it starts. Any party called ''communist''/''socialist'' should be instantly ignored and seen as a threat to the people.
Communists are natural-born parasites (just like certain people that endorsed it), and will be as degenerate as they need to be to get communism into power. They're never not-degenerate; they'll use it whenever it's convenient.

We never really had commies in any significant way except in the fever dreams of the catholic Labor establishment
But we do have parallels with how some European ex-communist parties morphed into socially liberal environmentalist parties. Our Greens are having an internal shitfight between "Watermelons" (green on the outside, red on the inside) and "Tree Tories"

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Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium

blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

>China
>socialistic
What

>Christian nationalist
>Stalinist nostalgia

How can these two tendencies coexist?

That says nothing. They employ a few socialist-leaning concepts like welfare, but they're not socialist countries.

In fact, the only truly shithole country in that list was the only one truly fully-fledged communist. The others are marching to become shithole because, also, of socialist ideologies.

yeah, their social support sucks ass

This. Anti-capitalists who "oppose degenracy" are just reactionaries in disguise. There can be no communism without women's liberation.

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>people don't believe in the violent way to establish socialism anymor
Then they're either don't know what socialism is, or deliberately fooling the public. The ruling class will never hand over the means of production volountarily.
>modern analogue of the old communist parties that fought and did revolutions it's, suddenly, isis
No, it's not.
It's the Rojava fighters. They seem to be the only communist power that does something. And maybe naxalites do something too
>our people were constantly massacred
They weren't. That's an overexaggeration.
>people smart enough that could do something about it were hunted down
Another fantasy about orwellian hell.
>You were left with poor infrastructure
No. In fact, soviet infrastructure is still alive and it is the fundament of current infrastructure.
>shit tier hospitals and education.
Because liberal economists decided to cut the spendings.
>Under a more worthy and honorable leader
Leader doesn't mean shit. What matters is the team around him and the class that backs the team.
>All your politics, political strategies and general Russian ideology on the last century was ''Zerg Rushing'' everything;
I love when someone claims to know more about the history of my country than me, especially when his worldview is shaped by cold war-era stories and not by some actual historical study.
>Communists are natural-born parasites
I love when people rant about parasitism while protecting the right of shareholders to exploit the labor of other people.

Zyuganov is a reactionary putin shill bot but there has been a "left uprising" within the party largely from the grassroots and younger KPRF members so hopefully they can kick Zyuganov to the fucking curb.
The shitty thing about the KPRF as well is they're basically just a Brezhnev circlejerk party instead of actually being based on the values of Socialism and Leninism. They just want to go back to the 70s for god knows what reason. There is little in common with the KPRF and actual Bolsheviks.

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They've gotten into a strange bedfellows situation with the orthodox church. Probably because their base of support is old people who yearn for the way they remember things were like back in the day. That means many of their voters love stalin and love christianity

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China is pretty much the most explicitly socialist country right now, and like most explicitly socialist countries through history, it's not actually that socialist at all
Not that I'm trying to pull the Never Been Tried card, it's just that Western welfare state capitalism is more socialist in the real sense of the word than 20th century totalitarian communism

There is the KR who are actual Leninists. KPRF are just a reactionary conservative "lets suck the dick of Brezhnev, 70s were the golden era" party controlled by fucking relics who want their youth back.
There has been a growing uprising in the party from the youth though who are way further to the left than Zyuganov and his cronies, but from what I've seen of them, they still spout the "I want to get on my knees and start pleasing Brezhnev, I want to feel his salvation all over my face" line.

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>they play the patriotic strings the rightists usually pull, they stand for welfare (which is not a communist thing), and promote class collaboration (one of the slogans of yesterday's election campaign)
Sounds much like what the 'social' ideas of fascist parties used to be, particularly with 'class collaboration' and 'patriotically' uniting the nation.
well, there's srp and radnička fronta
srp is sheer mockery
radnička fronta apparently has some niche following, but i don't know all that much about them

>Another fantasy about orwellian hell.
What were gulags?
>They weren't. That's an overexaggeration.
Again, what were gulags and famine? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union
>No. In fact, soviet infrastructure is still alive and it is the fundament of current infrastructure.
Structures crumbling and barely in place.
>I love when people rant about parasitism while protecting the right of shareholders to exploit the labor of other people.
Why are you implying I defend any of that?

>KR who are actual Leninists
No, they're the same kind of pseudoleft shills.
>Sounds much like what the 'social' ideas of fascist parties used to be, particularly with 'class collaboration' and 'patriotically' uniting the nation.
Exactly.

There's nothing wrong with Christian Socialism.

>his family
Who?

No, communist party is banned here.

Noice
Death to imperialism
youtu.be/omm3QPMqyjc

Did they teach you this in Uni?
If so, well done Australian political science faculties, you still don't suck.

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The two commie parties here get less than 0.01% of the vote and both parties are remnants of cold war era russian influence. I'm certain being in the party would've been a death trap since the rest of canada hates you and every now and then the kgb will kill you too because russian communists were schizos

Didn't Russia just have an election? Where you weren't allowed to see them counting the votes?

Joining commie party is probably a good way to end up on your local equivalent of FBI list.

I understand that ASIO still has a soft spot for surveilling commies, despite the fact that their own analysis acknowledges how harmless they always have been

>a closet fascist party of boomers larping as communists

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>>a closet fascist party of boomers larping as communists

Quite accurate description of them.

Yes

Workers rise up!

Probably during the cold war. Right now these parties are so irrelevant you'd probably be on their autism list rather than a serious list

>What were gulags?
Penal labor camps, majority of which contained people charged with non-political accusations: killers, robbers, thieves, etc.
The mortality rate of gulags was slightly above average and increased only during WWII, when large share of supplies went towards the front. Also, the prisoners were recieving money and sometimes rewards for active work. I know at least one story of a guy who was rewarded while building a White Sea channel.
>and famine?
The 30s famine had natural reasons. I know, it's hard to understand for a brazilian, who can collect the crops twice in a year, but that's how it was.
>Structures crumbling and barely in place.
Which structures? Tell me.
>Why are you implying I defend any of that?
Because when you're claiming that "communists are parasites", you automatically mean that current economical formation (which is capitalism) grants people a fair reward for their labor, while gommies want to "take something they don't deserve"

>The 30s famine had natural reasons

Yeah the nazis didn't kill russians; it was the winter. The reason it went from a minor famine to a super-duper megadeath famine was because of collective farming.

Well even if you're harmless, security agencies will still be watching you for belonging to a group that preaches radical ideas even if they don't actually do anything illegal. I was in "fascist" group here that didn't show up in public pretty much, other than independence day marches, but after someone left some stickers promoting them, it was shown on the news shortly after and top security agencies said they're watching us. They even included us in the yearly national security threat assessment for having contacts with other European groups and accused of being Putin agents.

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>The reason it went from a minor famine to a super-duper megadeath famine was because of collective farming
From what I know, the reason was pulling massive amounts of food from the countryside to feed the cities. If the countryside gets malnourished, there is no one left to provide food. Particularly if it makes the peasants feel wronged.
It's doubtful whether it would have been a small famine.

>Yeah the nazis didn't kill russians; it was the winte
What does it has to do with the discussion?
>The reason it went from a minor famine to a super-duper megadeath famine was because of collective farming
It wasn't a super-duper megadeath. It hasn't affected the population growth rates and collective farming is the only way to do agriculture properly. Especially back then, when supplies of fertilisers and mechanical means weren't enough for the whole country.
We can't compare the famine of 1930s to the famines of tsarist era because of tsarist measures of keeping silent about the agriculture crisis. There was no centralised statistic gathering service and censorship demanded press to play down the size of the catastrophe.
When soviets used to reorganise the agriculure, the tsarist government's polistion was "We may starve, but we'll get our grain sold".

I tell you that people didn't vote FOR communist party but AGAINST Putin's party.

t. From oblast where both governor and parliament are communist now

>The reason it went from a minor famine to a super-duper megadeath famine was because of collective farming.
Do you mean to say it would have been averted if farming was privatized or nationalised?

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>have fake icon of stalin when he persecuted the orthodox church, expropriated land, murdered clergy, infiltrated it with nkvd, etc.
Are Russians retarded?