Why do you claim to be natives to Scandinavia/Europe when that's not true?
Are there any Samis on Jow Forums?
Xavier Perez
Christopher Gray
Samis have been living in scandinavia for far longer than swedes
Jason Fisher
I’m not Sami but my gf’s nickname is Sammy does that count
Juan Mitchell
No they haven't
Swedes are an Indo-European people, who arrived with the Corded Ware Culture during the middle of the 3rd millenium BC.
The Sami arrived in Northern Sweden a few centuries before the birth of Christ.
Justin Taylor
I’m pretty sure they only make that extension to northern Scandinavia, which is true to a degree. They were there before Sweden, the Finns, and what would become Norway.
Joseph Young
Corded Ware Culture were finnic bulls now see these haplogroups here...
Mason Lopez
They were there before the Swedish and Norwegian states formed, yes (9th and 11th centuries), but people who we would've referred to as North Germanic lived in northern Scandinavia long before them and were genocided/assimilated/driven away by the invading Sami.
John Harris
Sami people have lived in Fennoscandia for at least 5000 years
William Cooper
"No"
The Sami people came with the N1c haplogroup.The oldest carrier of N1c that has been found was from the Kola peninsula and is 3500 years old. All older carriers of N are found in Siberia or further east.
Carson Russell
If Swedes and Norwegians learned that the Sami were early iron age-invaders that genocided the Germanic inhabitanrs of Northern Scandinavia around 500 BC they wouldn't want to give them special legal rights or gibs.
Jose Powell
>Since prehistoric times,[22][23] the Sami people of Arctic Europe have lived and worked in an area that stretches over the northern parts of the regions now known as Norway, Sweden, Finland, and the Russian Kola Peninsula. They have inhabited the northern arctic and sub-arctic regions of Fenno-Scandinavia and Russia for at least 5,000 years
en.wikipedia.org
Original source: archive.org
Luis King
> Are there any Samis on Jow Forums?
In your DNA :')
Ethan Lee
>New genetic research tells its own story, showing that there are
many connections between today's Saami and the first people to arrive in Scandinavia more than 10,000 years ago.
Intentionally vague.
>Swedish archaeology developed out of the seventeenth century goal of demonstrating our
national greatness. Unfortunately, there are still attitudes within Swedish archaeology that can be
characterized as ethnocentric, nationalistic and chauvinistic.
Extremely unprofessional for a scientific report but it shows what narrative the author is trying to push
>it's probable that the Lapps were [in northern Norway] when the Scandinavians arrived
No sources for this. The author is correct in the sentence before that the Sami and Norwegians encountered eachother for the first time around the birth of Christ
Also ctrl-f "5000" shows that it doesn't say that the Sami have a 5000-year old history in Scandinavia anywhere in the paper
Nice try I live in Southern Sweden.
Nolan Reed
Aren't those Danes? They shouldn't have Sami genes at all
Aaron Peterson
It seems that the ancient Finns burned not only Sigtuna
Nathan Wilson
>tfw i'll never have a swedish gf
Dylan Ortiz
Got a response for my debunking of your "source" Pekka?
Logan Wright
Thank god
Cooper Torres
I don't have time to read through all those pages, but i'm sure there's mention of that 5000 years in some way
Ryan Murphy
The number 5000 appears ten (10) times in the entire text.
Let me help you:
>Saami prehistory from 5000 B.C. to A.D. 1500
>when the Baltic was most open to the Atlantic Ocean, and this occurred during the Litorina Period between approximately 5000 B.C. and 1000 B.C.
>During the warm Atlantic climate period, ca. 5000-2500 B.C.
>5000 (no clarification, probably a picture was included here originally or the physical paper wasn't perfectly scanned)
>The salty Litorina Sea (ca. 5000/5600-2000/2400 B.C.) was a time of maximum productivity in the Baltic.
>The Flurkmark site (ca. 5000-2500 B.C.) near Umea in Vasterbotten
>Quartz/slate and boiling stone technology was identical on the coast and interior ca. 5000 B.C.-2000 B.C.
>5000/6100 B.C. (same as above)
>The shared cultural milieu of the period 5000 B.C.-A.D. i is a history of interactions with the outside world
>Cultural Contact from 5000 BC to the Present.
Colton Phillips
Just by googling "sami people 5000 years old" you get like billion results of ppl talking about how they've lived here for at least 5000 years
Adam Edwards
About 2000 years
Swedes about 10000 years
Easton Cook
No. DNA analysises and archeological finds both show us that they have been here a little more than 2000 years.
Brayden Williams
Samis are natives of Northern Scandinavia. Norwegians and Swedes aren't. Fucking immigrants. Their ancestors probably got kicked out by my ancestors because they were fragile retards.
Red pill.
Gavin Robinson
Except that's wrong. Samis are immigrants to scandinavia. Norwegians, Swedes, Danes have been here since the ice went back.
Liam Hughes
Do any of them have any sources?
Only partially. The Swedish and Norwegian languages and most of our ancestors came with the Indo-Europeans 3000 BC. Obviously we're also descended from the Stone age Hunter-Gatherers, but so are the Sami (they assimilated the ones living in Northernmost Fennoscandinavia when they arrived, just as the Indo-Europeans did several millenia earlier)
Josiah Butler
If we were here 10k years ago, then we were there 10k years ago. Samis were here 2000 years ago.
Samis got influenced by later immigration, we got influenced by later immigration. That's what you're saying, but that does not change the fact that we are natives to Scandinavia from 10k years back.
Thomas King
>this is what Scandicucks want to believe
>Speaks Indo European language
>says he was in Scandinavia before IE even started to exist
>b-but muh Haplogroup
the absolute state of theapricity retards
Grayson Reyes
reminder that the germanic people who would become swedes and norwegians were here before the samis came from finland/russia
Dylan Bennett
No, you are the retard. We are much more than just IE. Not even gonna argue with you because I see now how narrow minded you are. Bye.
Blake Walker
I'm going to have to disagree with you. Nearly every prehistoric conquest involves some of the conquerors taking some of the native women as wives after having killed the men, making their children half-natives. Fast forward a few thousand years and the people now living there have 20% native DNA, but no contacts with the native culture or language. Surely you dont consider them natives at that point?
In fact, many Sami wewuzzers use this as evidence of their ancient roots in Scandinavia, when it most likely was a genocide of the actual WHG natives with a few of the women being taken for breeding.
Ryan Young
nigger, have you ever looked at your faces? You people have pig noses because you mixed with the natives over there. You don't even have Germanic noses anymore. You can throw as many books at me as you want, the mirror never lies you goddamn mutt.
Asher Reed
No, ancient Swedes were actually Finns.
Leo Hall
No shit. All scandis are Finnish rapebabbies
Suck my huge dick scandi fags
Gabriel Sanders
I don't know how to make sense of this image
Are we rape babies or not? Also shouldn't we have some Asian DNA in there somewhere
Brody Lopez
Aaron Jackson
Are the Sami's Europe's Wildings?
Evan Young
Yes
Ryan Collins
Even in sami schools they learn about how they came here little more than 2000 years ago.
I trust scentists who have used DNA analyses and archeology to find that they came here about 2000 years ago. Nobody "conquested" scandinavia, that is some weird interpretation you got there. They were immigrants. We are the product of whatever was here and whatever came here later. We are their DNA. You can choose to identify with whatever you want, but I think I'll stick with the facts.
You're making my point, thanks.
Nicholas Harris
Luke Brown
>In Lapland, Saami was influenced by an extinct Palaeo-European substratum, but on linguistic grounds the expansion of Saami there could have taken place at the very earliest with the spread of the Kjelmoy Ware 650 BCE suggested by Carpelan, but more likely in the early centuries CE (cf. Aikio 2004; 2006: 43–47).
>In conclusion, the Sami are migrant subhumanoids who have been in Scandinavia for less than 2000 years and should be sent back to Finland.
Aaron Jones
The Nordics are the least mixed Germanics my dude.
Scandinavia is the urheimat of the Germanic people, see pic.
Ancient tales are not trustworthy historical sources though, sorry.
The amount of asian DNA in Hungarians is extremely small. The Magyars were a minority in Hungaria after the conquest, and had already mixed with Europeans during the generation-long migration westwards. They became the ruling class but were quickly assimilated into the native mix of Germanics, Celts and Slavs.
Scandinavians have WHG DNA but mostly PIE DNA. The Sami have WHG DNA but mostly Ancient North Eurasian DNA.
Gabriel Ortiz
Also, yes the Samic-speakers came here 2000 years ago, but they mixed with the natives, meaning that modern Sami are part native.
Also what is "immigrating and killing/displacing the native population" if not a conquest?
Samuel Brooks
What is the Sami ancestral homeland then?
Leo Moore
>Swedish slag take a dna test
youtu.be
Zachary Fisher
Depends on how far back you go. They lived in Siberia before migrating to Northwestern Russia and Fennoscandinavia, and that's what I'd call their ancestral homeland, but if you go back to 20 000 BC, the ancestors of the Sami lived in South East Asia.
Andrew Lee
>look out towards the brackish lagoon that lingered where they children gathered their flints
>A burning wind clawed at my ears and hair from the cold Eastern reaches.
> Over there -beyond the beach- white topped the hills.
> Legends spiraled into this distance
>Just as the elk move
> Generations cycle into this past
Zachary Lee
what
Adam Jones
With that logic your home is also in siberia/mongolia since R haplo was born somewhere in west china and mongolia. Also N entered to Europe before R like your meme pic tells.
Mason Anderson
That's why I said that I myself consider the ancestral homeland to be in Siberia but it depends on how you look at it.
Also I'm I1.
Also no that's not what it tells, how did you interpret it as that?
Charles Adams
You have to admit Saami and northern Finns are BASED
Lucas Turner
Sorry, but wewuzzing and demanding gibs isn't very based. Quite the opposite actually.
Robert Sanchez
Shut the fuck up city slicker Lapland is the most leftist part of Finland
Evan Flores
>Also I'm I1.
As many Swedes are, but its just your most common single haplogroup. Around 40% of the population. 60% of Swedes are still something else (mostly R) Samis also have high frequencies of I1, almost 40% as well.
>Also no that's not what it tells, how did you interpret it as that?
6000-8000 BCE. R came to Europe around 4200 BCE while N came with Kama culture around 5000 BCE.
Ian James
If I remember correctly the I1 hunter-gatherers had been pushed further and further north by the expanding Indo-Europeans+the now IE-speaking I1s that had become farmers. The last of these hunters were absorbed into the Sami when they arrived. Are you sure it's 40% though? That's very high.
Well yes. You're technically correct, though that's in the perifery of Europe. And the Indo-Europeans populated all of Europe while the Finno-Ugrics expandera a few hundred kilometers.
Ryder Murphy
> And the Indo-Europeans populated all of Europe while the Finno-Ugrics expanded a few hundred kilometers.
During the same timespan*
Nathan Moore
All Finno-Ugrics on western side of the ural mountains have more IE-dna than west and southern Europeans. Udmurts are the most similar people to PIE despite having some siberian.
>Per Haak et al. (2015), the Yamnaya contribution in the modern populations of Eastern Europe ranges from 46.8–64.9% among Russians to 42.8% in Ukrainians. Finland has one of the highest Yamnaya contributions in all of Europe (50.4–67.8%).[34]
Again, haplogroups dont thell much about genetics than migration patterns.
Jason Miller
And who fucked who.