*sits on stolen land*

t. Gallo-Roman LARPer

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at least Charlemagne didn't try to exterminate Gallo-Romans

Woaw your region is named after the franks just like our whole fucking country, that's such a proof you are the true inheritors of the Franks....
Yeah the original Franks were germanics, but they came from today's Belgium/Netherlands not your german region. They established their kingdom in Gaul and then invaded Germany and genocided Saxons...

Im not a "wewuzfranks" larper, but you shouldn't be either

Franks came from Austrasia, which does include the modern German region of Franken.
From there they first conquered modern France (then Gallia) and then they turned on the remaining German tribes, most notably the Saxons.
Charlemagne didn't "try to genocide" the Gallo-Romans because his predecessors had already subjugated them.
He didn't genocide the Saxons either, he had their nobility executed after 30 years of warfare
It's really funny actually, the French nation is literally larping as the Germanic tribe that conquered them when they're not even speaking a Germanic language

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but we wuz and you wuz not. checkmate atheists.

>Franks came from Austrasia
My ancestors at the time probably lived in Austrasia, they were still Gauls.

> the French nation is literally larping as the Germanic tribe that conquered them when they're not even speaking a Germanic language

Let's just ignore that this Germanic tribe was larping as romans even before conquering Gaul. The French have never larped as Germanics (who would at the time ?) they larped as romans, just like the germanics did...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
lol yeah he sure didn't massacre the saxons
>It's really funny actually, the French nation is literally larping as the Germanic tribe that conquered them
As people have told your autistic self over and over, not a single person in France has ever larped as Frankish ever since we deposed the last Capetian monarch. None of the principles the French nation is founded on are of Frankish inspiration; our republic and civil law are Roman, and Charles de Gaulle, the founder of our current republic, is quoted as saying that France is "a nation of Greco-Roman culture". Imagine going on a rant about French people "larping as Franks" because of a post made by an AMERICAN. That's how autistic you are.
Germans were always the ones feeling complexed about the Frankish roots of our nation. Hitler is quoted as saying that he fears that the last traces of "Frankish blood" will eventually disappear from France.

your nation is literally named after a Germanic tribe while you're a people of Gallo-Romans...
>lol yeah he sure didn't massacre the saxons
I didn't say he didn't conduct a massacre, I said he didn't genocide them you stupid frog

Hohoho

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And the term I used was "exterminate", so in addition to being autistic, you're also illiterate. Also, absolute state of German Nordicist """rhetoric""".

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you also used the term "massacre", what's your point?

That I never said genocide.

funny that you're calling me autistic then
using the term "exterminate" clearly implies genocide

Original franks were a germanic tribe but at some point it meant any one living in the frankish kingdom, so basically gallo romans.
But the point is, we never larped as germanics, while you spent your whole history pretending to be romans

Pretty sure he used "frank" as a synonym to "french" here. Otherwise it would mean he considered Gauls as Africans, and that's retarded even by Hitler's standards

No, it's just the usual "importing niggers = white replacement" argument

you're probably a Gallo-Roman ethnically, you're speaking a Latin language, yet you're calling yourself Frank, after the Germanic tribe that conquered your nation.
>at some point it meant any one living in the frankish kingdom, so basically gallo romans.
even if it meant anybody living in their kingdom, many of these inhabitants were Germanic.
>But the point is, we never larped as germanics
you literally do at this very moment, which country are you from lmao?
>while you spent your whole history pretending to be romans
people in the HRE never called themselves ROmans, it was about the heritage of the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic church, pretty sure you're aware of that, you're just trying to distract

So is your argument just about the name of our nation or what?

I'm just replying to your post, m8

Not my post, but I thought your point was something more substantial than the fact that our country is named after the Franks.

French people are Celtics who speak Latin and live in a country founded by Germanics

everything west of the Rhein is rightfull french clay
everything west of the Alps is rightfull french clay
everything north of the Pyrenees is rightfull french clay

>even if it meant anybody living in their kingdom, many of these inhabitants were Germanic.
But most of them were gallo romans, and in fact all gallo romans lived in the "frankish" kingdom. My point is the frankish kingdom stopped being *truly* frankish quite fast and franks and gallo romans became synonyms wether you like it or not. If it's just about the name's original meaning then sure we are larping as germanics.... happy ?

>you literally do at this very moment, which country are you from lmao
Read the first post of this thread. I wrote it (half-ironically).

It seems to me you are just being autistic about our country's name, don't you realize it doesn't matter, and doesn't change the fact all its achievements were made by ethnic Gauls ?

French itt started larping as Franks, I corrected them.
thing is your entire nation is larping as Franks, but I already said that often enough now

"Franks" just doesn't mean the same to us than to you.
Besides, you only replied to an American bait

>French itt started larping as Franks, I corrected them.
No, you actually corrected an American poster, then started claiming French people larp as Franks basing yourself on the fact that our country is named after them. Absolute state of German argumentation.

>and doesn't change the fact all its achievements were made by ethnic Gauls ?
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>Charlemagne himself probably spoke a Rhenish Franconian dialect.[122][123][124]
Gallo-Romans were merely one group of his subjugates, as were several Germanic tribes

To you, Franks mean the germanic tribe who lived east of the Rhine.
To us, franks mean the people living in the frankish kingdom of Clovis and his successors.

So yeah we wuz Franks, and would still be if Phillipe Auguste didn't decide to change the name "Franks" to "French" ("Franc" to "Francais" in French, much more subtle)

>To you, Franks mean the germanic tribe who lived east of the Rhine.
>To us, franks mean the people living in the frankish kingdom of Clovis and his successors.
no.
to me, Franks are the Germanic tribe that founded the Frankish Empire. Modern Franken (Franconians) in Germany are part of the original area from where the Frankish expansion started (Austrasia).
Your entire nation adopted the name of its conquerors the Germanic Franks, hence why you're calling yourselves French, even though most of you ethnically aren't Frankish and your entire nation speaks a non-Germanic but Romance language, unlike the people who founded the Frankish Empire

Dutch people have a better claim to being Franks than French people

yes.

Why didnt Napoleon accept Frankfurt proposals? They were offering him to let him on the throne plus French borders up to Rhine. Surely he didnt swallow his own propaganda about his greatness

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_proposals

The reason why our country bears this name is because it was founded by the Franks. This is something we all acknowledge, but that doesn't constitute larping. We are well aware that we are not Franks, and as I said earlier, none of the principles our country is founded on are of Frankish inspiration, and Charles de Gaulle himself defined our culture as "Greco-Roman".
If the name of our nation is your only argument, then I'll consider that you have no argument at all.
He thought he could win.

but for a slight turn of history the german, and not the frenchman was seen as the bogeyman

seereally sucks desu

>mfw people call me a surrender monkey but then I remember that germans have to live with the legacy of the holocaust

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Dammit, how can I explain it to you, we are NOT pretending to be the original Franks, who founded the Frankish Kingdom.
All Im saying is that the biggest part of this Kingdom was made of Gallo Romans, who took the name "franks" because they had to at first.
Which mean "franks" designed both galll romans and germanics within the kingdom of Clovis and his successors right ?
When the Kingdom was split in two, the german part stopped calling themselves franks while the gallo roman part continued to. The meaning of the word "Frank" changed and not because we wanted to larp as some germanic tribe, but because of the randomness of history

Let's take an example you'll understand easily: a man from Berlin, in 1850 would most certainly call himself a Prussian right ? Yet is he from the region of Prussia, near the baltic sea ? Hell no, but he, and his ancestors were born in the Kingdom of Prussia

I get your point, but a few remarks:
>When the Kingdom was split in two, the german part stopped calling themselves franks while the gallo roman part continued to.
actually the eastern half continued to call themselves Eastern Franks for a few centuries afaik, but you're right, the peoples of the western half called themselves Franks/French, while those of the east called themselves Deutsch (German, Germanic for "people"). Tough one tribe of these Deutsche (Germans) were the actual and original Franks, and until this day there's a region in Germany where people call themselves Franks
>Let's take an example you'll understand easily: a man from Berlin, in 1850 would most certainly call himself a Prussian right ? Yet is he from the region of Prussia, near the baltic sea ? Hell no, but he, and his ancestors were born in the Kingdom of Prussia
true. The difference, however, is that in the case of France, the people call themselves after those who conquered them, while in the case of "Prussians" (northern Germans) the people call themselves after a region they conquered (Brandenburg had acquiered the region of Prussia, the original Baltic people of the Old Prussians (Pruzzen in German) had already ceased to exist as it was assimilated by the Germans who settled in the area)

also regarding the example with Prussia, the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Prussia still obviously considered themselves (and were) Germans. It would rather be fitting to compare it to a regional identity in France

>Tough one tribe of these Deutsche (Germans) were the actual and original Franks, and until this day there's a region in Germany where people call themselves Franks
Are you Franconian ? Btw some parts of Austrasia were in today's France too (including the region I'm from).

>The difference, however, is that in the case of France, the people call themselves after those who conquered them
Right, but I don't think it affects my point. Perhaps I could have found a better example.
Besides, the way I see it, we (gauls) were already subjugated by the Roman Empire and the Franks just became the new rulers, but that made our country into what it became so I'd say it was pretty beneficial to us in the end

>Are you Franconian ?
no I'm not, I'm from Swabia
>Btw some parts of Austrasia were in today's France too (including the region I'm from).
I know.

Thanks for destroying our culture and language.

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Flanders, I...

it's the Fr*nch "culture". All about expansion and assimilation, at all cost. Even if it's niggers and Arabs speaking French, at least they don't speak another language like Dutch

>All about expansion and assimilation, at all cost.
Ironic, have you heard of Lebensraum and the holocaust?

>we are Gauls
But gauls got obliterated in the battle of Soissons by the invading Franks

yes I have, and it's pretty much the exact opposite of assimilation, m8

I don't care because I am Frankish. :)

dubs of truth

I was focusing more on expansion.

We were misguided. Destroying your culture and language was a result of us wanting to create a nation-state at all costs after the Revolution.
I'd publicly apologize to you if I were France's head of state. We have always loved the Low Countries, from our alliance to the nascent Dutch Republic to the Belgian Revolution 200 years later.

Might makes right :)

France in 1420 was based af

yeah and we got fucked up in the end in case you forgot