>from 1792 to 1815 France was a Scourge upon Europe with nothing but constant warmongering >Even after napoleons defeat and the occupation of Paris in 1814 the french, enraged and repulsed by the idea of peace, flocked together once more under their King-rat napoleon to continue the war in europe >an united europe faced them at waterloo and managed to crush them once and for all >the punishment >France has to return the territories it stole during that time >france has to pay a reasonable amount of war reparations >the allies give the french king his rightful throne back
Now lets take a look at WW1 >4 years of war >a war sought by all parties >at the prospects of a long-term defeat germany decides to surrender to not prolongue an unneccessary war >the punishment >Germanny stripped of all colonies, has to give up its eastern territories to Poland that have been german for centuries, has to give alsace-lorraine which it rightfully acquired in 1871 after a war (yet again) started by france, loss of northern schleswig >germany and austria are never allied to unite again, germany has to demilitarize to a laughable size and is not allowed to deploy troops in a large portion of its territory >entire factories get dismantled and transported out of the country France continues to occupy the rhineland for years brutalising the civilians and stealing all the ressources, they try to dump a ton of niggers there to muttify the population >absolute ridicolous amount of reparations that will destablisie germany for decades >voices in the peace conference demanded an entire partition of germany And I will disregard the fact that the instability caused the loss of the emperor and lead to the communist rebellion resulting in more dead civilians since its not a direct result of the war.
So what the fuck was the allies' problem? In 1871 France declared war on us because we didnt kiss their feet promising them never to claim spanish throne. We took back what was rightfully ours, the alsace and a bit of reparation, thats it.
Why did Europe go within a few decades from millenia of Warfare with reasonable peace conditions to this absolute extermination of the loser in the peace traties?
Shut up you fucking Kraut Franco-Prussian was almost solely sought after by Germans, and the peace treaty was far more harsh than Versailles was.
Literal revisionism
Logan Gomez
Nothing I said is wrong you retarded mutt. The French demanded that no Hohenzoller would ever be a candidate for the spanish throne again and we said no, the french translated the german telegram in a way to make it sound like they were insulted and IN A PLEBISCITE VOTED FOR WAR Nevermind that after the king and his army were beaten and he surrendered the French called out the Republic and wanted to continue the war. peace terms - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Frankfurt_(1871)
Josiah Morgan
Chadpoleon changed the world even in defeat while Virghelm was consigned to the trashcan of history where he belongs. The only tragedy is that Germany was allowed to survive him AND Hitler.
>ridiculous amount of reparations because of WWI In 1921 the total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion marks (then $31.4 billion or £6.6 billion, roughly equivalent to US $442 billion or UK £284 billion in 2018). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles
>"and a bit of reparations" The indemnity was 5 billion francs (£200 million or $1000 million), with German troops occupying France until it was paid.[4] The 5 billion gold marks, converted using the retail price index in 2011, was worth 342 billion. Converted using the GDP deflater it amounted to 479 billion and substantially more according to other comparisons such as GDP per head.[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_indemnity
Not to mention you fuckers occupied half of France until they paid you back. France was also given a deadline of five years, while Germany was allowed to keep putting it off, until they eventually weren't even forced to finish paying it.
Hunter Kelly
>germans criticizing another country for destabilizing europe with warmongering
You have to consider the economic state of the world at that time and the fact that France was left intact with all of its colonies which is why France was easily able to pay the sum whereas Germany got completely gutted and everyone was heading towards a depression. Or youre trying to tell me Germany inflated its currency for fun ruining its own econoy for years just to avoid paying the reparations?
Yea pic related describes napoleons legacy perfectly. native french becoming the clowns of niggers
Doesn't change the fact that you blatantly lied. But of course you ignore that. You're German after all
Jacob Brooks
I dont know if youre actually retarded or not, in 1921 the value of the mark was 1/100 of the original value in 1914, and yes my fat friend the sum was to be paid in gold, good luck paying gold value with the Reichsmark. Oh and by 1922 it was 1/1000th of the original value. So your calculation was just off by a magnitude of 100.
Daniel King
>a war sought by all parties
>give Austria-Hungary a "blank cheque" to deal with Serbia >Russia warns them not to invade Serbia >Krauts sperg out and declare war on Russia >Krauts declare war on France while they're at it >Krauts invade Belgium to bypass French fortifications >Great Britain demands Krauts respect Belgian neutrality >Krauts call the Treaty of London a "scrap of paper" and force the British into the war
Yeah everyone was pushing for it alright
Jayden Wood
Your sources suck. France was required to pay 1450 tons of gold. German reparations were 7000 tons gold furthermore 90% of the german trading fleet was taken away which limited german exports.
David Evans
Austrias way of dealing with Serbia was legitimate, Russia pressuring austrias was unjustified and Germany only vowed to support austria. Germany knew that in order to win this war they would have to invade russia which the french would use as an opportunity to stab germany in the back and just went ahead and opened the front right there and then. The fact that france was harbouring a grudge since 40years is not a secret I dont know why you just disregard that. The belgium thing was uncalled for I will give you that and moreover the UK was for less harsher Versailles Treaty, so was the US. Doesnt change that Versailles was what it was.
Dylan Watson
Versailles wasn't harsh enough, since Germany was able to start another only 21 years later.
Ryder Gutierrez
Russia pressuring austria was totally justified, they were Serbia's patron
>So what the fuck was the allies' problem? Clemenceau was a salty cunt who was still assblasted about 1871 (yes he was that fucking old in 1919). He basically wore our delegation down so that we deviated from our original standpoint. The Brits kept saying the Germans couldn't pay the money and the amount was outrageous. People outside the Grench kept saying it would lead to another war and Pershing pointed out because no one had set foot in Germany the German's didn't think they were defeated and another war was inevitable.
TLDR Old frenchmen are dicks
Connor Phillips
We were right all along, French "people" are subhumans, and so are those who glorify them.
Brandon Nelson
Oh and if you're really curious read 1919. Its long but breaks everything down.
Wyatt Sanchez
>Pershing pointed out because no one had set foot in Germany the German's didn't think they were defeated
Like I said, not enough sufferings to serve as a lesson. Perhaps because the war didn't end with a large part of the german territory turned into a wasteland :)
Liam Brooks
we have a saying that suits krauts, if you offer them your hand, they will take your arm
Jason Thomas
kek it always cracks me up when war losers cry about how they got JUSTed
Christopher Robinson
Napoleon was retard. He could got away with the throne and with borders up to Rhine, even after he was wrecked at Leipzig. But he deluded himself into thinking he can do better en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_proposals
Wyatt Young
1871 shouldve ended with every town in France reduced to rubble and the ground being salted :)
Leo Murphy
>YEAH KILLEM
The Eternal Kraut
Henry Evans
the problem was that German Unification horribly frightened all the other major powers so they were constantly seeking an excuse to dismantle the new Reich. under the excuse of preserving the "balance of power" AKA Anglo dominance of the world allied with the French they sought to destroy Germany
Owen Edwards
>since Germany was able to start another only 21 years later. They did because of the harshness and humiliation which allowed Hitler to rise on a promise to correct the precieved wrongs.
Brandon Diaz
It's almost as if "winners" write history.
Nathan Nelson
You both niggers to be honsest, Exept that place where is Jean born.
France has been nothing but nuisance to us all throughout history, often invading us because of not being at war with England.
Anthony Williams
almost every war Napoleon fought was defensive
Carson Carter
>invades all of Europe for defence
Hunter Ward
Nice judgement.
Owen Robinson
nah m8. Germans should have let the Frogs be exactly in the same state as they found them in 1870. With the great population and industry booms fueled by incredible scientific advances especially in chemistry, Germany was on the path to economcally dominate whole continent. Meanwhile French population growth basically stopped, their industry started horribly lagging behind and inside the country there was huge amount of social tension amongst different groups of population. The only thing that could ever unite them behind single purpose was German invasion. Bismarck knew this and didnt event want to take Alsace to prevent French butthurt Willy 2 couldnt see 20 years into future and started believing his own propaganda (his advisors were telling him hes such a great guy because they wanted him to feel better about his crippled hand). If somebody is to blame for downfall of Germany, its Willy 2.
Angel Thompson
how come French birthrate was so shit in the 19th century but then rebounded to be the highest in Europe in the mid-late 20th?
Nathan Carter
he invaded them because they tried to invade him first, much of his land grabs in western europe was concessions from the losing party of the coalition wars, which were pretty mucy all started by Britian and brought it the other monarchies of Europe to help then
Brody Moore
>Brainlet argument non argument
Kevin Ward
WW2 trauma and massive economic growth
Makes you want to put your dick in Yvonne
Luke Robinson
>All thoses lies Fuck off Germany
Leo Murphy
point out where OP lied, you fucking faggot
Jose Brooks
You did the same during the Nine Year war
Liam Wilson
they started importing from africa. Frogs started giving citizenship to Algerians very easily when Algeria got independent. Historically French population growth was a joke. In 14th century, France was most populous country in europe with some 20 million people. Now its some 60 milion which is slightly over 3x growth. England had some 6 million people and experienced a bit some 9-10x growth. Germany had similar growth as England. Now there are many reasons why France stagnated so much compared to rest of the europe. Many of them I dont know, one of them certainly is the fact that ambitious leaders in france were aware of their big manpower pool and used the population as fodder for their own ambition. Frogs themselves were gravely aware of this fact, especially after they just narrowly escaped death after WW1. If France lost, it would ended up second rate power, possibly german protectorate as well. Marshal Foch said that only way peace with germany can last is if they sterilize 20 milion germans. After WW1 population growth basically stopped until the end of WW2.
There still were ambitous leaders like de Gaulle who still believed France is destined for greatness. Yet they had to face the fact that France cant keep up anymore with the pack. So I guess they realized there is a big pool of manpower in africa that can be tapped. After all france proper was patchwork of vastly different feudal states that still become united state. How hard can it be to assimilate few arabs. And thats how france became what it is today
Evan Taylor
If it would be this way you wouldn't make this argument
Brayden Allen
The answer is simple, every major war in Europe ends up with the big guy being crippled so that the anglos can still dominate and have their statu quo (ie: europeans fighting eachothers while they profit on their island). United Germany was much more of a threat to anglos than united France, that's why it got crippled harder.
No we did not.
God I'm tired of arguing with germans over history on Jow Forums
Nathaniel Thompson
because the frenchman was sore, I thought this was common knowledge?
Alexander Gomez
I always thought it was very cruel that the French wouldn't even allow german soldiers of ww1 to be buried with white crosses.
Chase Perez
is there a source for this?
Tyler Hall
Where did I lie?
It has always been the case, I asked why the punishment for the loser turned from slaps on the wrist to complete extermination.
what? I visited German cemetaries and they were indeed buried with black crosses, I was told it was because germans prefered it that way
Carter Gray
Cute, I remember reading a couple of things about German POWs here just being allowed to knock about in local villages and have their own little gardens. A couple of them actually settled here when the war was over. If only everyone could have that reconciliation
Liam Bell
>German POWs here just being allowed to knock about in local villages and have their own little gardens. A couple of them actually settled here when the war was over we only had a couple POWs but they basically just lived a normal life in a town while they were here one of them even got married and stayed here
The Kraut government could've easily paid off the debt. They just decided to ruin the economy to make it impossible to pay it off. It was LITERALLY (LITERALLY) the SAME FUCKING AMOUNT that the Krauts demanded from the French after the end of the Franco-Prussian War France paid it off without throwing a bitchfit and trying to wipe out entire unrelated ethnic groups Krauts need to be rounded up and systematically eliminated like what they had planned for Slavs, Jews, Roma, gays, Jehovah's Witnesses, cripples, and midgets
>Serbia's patron As they were the patron of the orthodox people in 1853, or as they were the patron of Cossacks in 1648, or as they were the patron's of the Bulgarian's in 1878, or as they were the patron of the Korean's in 1905, or as they were patron of the proletariat in 1920, or as they were the patron of the Poles in 1939, or as they were the patron of Hungarian workers in 1956, or as they were the patron of Czechoslovak workers in 1968, or as they were the patron of the Afghan workers in 1979, or as they were the patron of Chechnya or as they were the patron's of Lugansk in 2014. When people realise that Russia always expands and only bayonettes can stop them?
Andrew King
>jehova's witnesses
hmmm I don't know, I'm with them on this one
Jack Bell
This is why everyone hates you, you cant let go of your autism
Blake Gonzalez
Germans are a horde of autists They don't understand that their actions have consequences and try to shift blame on everyone else The allies shouldn't have shut down the concentration camps, they should've fired them back up and filled them up with Krauts
remembrancetrails-northernfrance.com/history/great-war-remembrance/the-national-characteristics-of-cemeteries.html >The Treaty of Versailles had provided for German cemeteries to be placed under the guardianship of the French authorities (a state of affairs which lasted until 1966) which meant they had control over all the developments or permanent buildings undertaken by the VDK. The French authorities refused to return the bodies to their families. The German cemeteries were designed in the interwar years by architect Robert Tischler, a veteran of the Great War. He based his designs on two major principles: mourning and universal life. Due to the cramped nature of the concessions allocated by France, burials were carried out in large communal graves called "Comrades' Graves". >It has often been suggested that it was the Treaty of Versailles which obliged the Germans to choose dark-coloured crosses for their military cemeteries; however if this was the case the rule was not strictly applied because in many cases white crosses were used. A more practical analysis suggests that the dark colour of many of the crosses in German military cemeteries corresponds to the need to protect the original wooden crosses with tar-based paints.
Brandon Smith
Nice source, subhuman
Bentley Sanchez
Hey, that's rude!
Gabriel Gutierrez
kys, m8
Dominic Stewart
Thanks :)
Elijah Adams
>The Kraut government could've easily paid off the debt. No they couldn't. They just fought a world war, had to pay to rebuild lelguim, lost territory and had the frogs occupy their industrial heartland. As the British ascertained, they didn't have the money in their whole treasury and would never be able to pay it without destroying their economy.
Henry Jenkins
>germniggers complaining about the color of their cemeteries cross
>No they couldn't. They just fought a world war Almost exclusively fought outside of Germany Germany industry was nearly unaffected Meanwhile they completely destroyed Belgium and Northwestern France Germans deserved far worse than what they got, especially after WW2
Nice whataboutism The massacres of Nazi death squads in WW2 are no excuse to the treatment of WW1 soldier's graves Fact of the matter is you French are a bunch of vindictive faggots, you even wanted to dismantle the Berlin Victory Column of 1871 after WW2
Owen Roberts
>Or youre trying to tell me Germany inflated its currency for fun ruining its own econoy for years just to avoid paying the reparations? Actually it does >France was left intact French Industries were along belgian and German frontier, thus doomed by the war
Gavin Cooper
You niggers have so much respect for others monuments Pic related is Reims cathedral you faggots destroyed pointlessly I’m so glad your ugly shithole has been burnt to the ground
>AH starts a war with Serbia >Germany quickly declares war on Russia and France, invades Belgium, draws Britain into the war, invades France, signs a secret pact with the Ottoman Empire to draw them in as well >AH then finally actually invades Serbia >Germany proceeds to completely ruin Belgium and northwestern France >meanwhile the battlefields between the Austrians, Italians, and Serbs where nowhere near as permanently ruined >"WE WEREN'T THE ONES WHO CAUSED WW1 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO WE WUZ DA GOOD GUYS! IT WUZ AUSTRIA NOT US!"
Adrian Ward
that cathedral was damaged during battle, that is not a "pointless destruction" as you want to dishonestly portray it like I didn't say anything about who started WW1 you obsessed faggot neck yourself
Grayson Turner
Face it the french were extremely bitter. I mean I know you were invaded but plenty of other wars happen without people being intentionally humiliating
Grayson Thompson
>Le rape of Belgium I hope this piece of Anglo propaganda will die, just like the rest of it died.
>Americans raze Atlanta >No one bats an eye >Collation army rapes Beijing >Nobody cares >Brits camp and genocide Boers >Nobody cares >Austria-Hungarian army kills Serbian civilians >Nobody cares >Russian army enters Galacia and start to kill Jews >Nobody cares >Germany occupies Lelgians >Oy vey sacre blue, this is the most inhumane thing ever
Pretty interesting that rape and pillage is only bad, if the enemy of the Eternal Anglo does it.
Angel Bennett
Holy shit read 1919. Its researched and researched by someone who isnt retarded like yourself. Look up the statements made by the British delegation.
John Maynard Keynes "set the fashion for critics of the economic aspects of the treaty" and "made probably the severest and most sweeping indictment of its economic provisions".[116] Keynes was temporarily attached to the British Treasury during the war and was their official representative at the peace conference. He later resigned "when it became evident that hope could no longer be entertained of substantial modifications in the draft Terms of Peace" due to the "policy of the Conference towards the economic problems of Europe". In 1919, he wrote The Economic Consequences of the Peace based on his objections.[117] He wrote that he believed "that the campaign for securing out of Germany the general costs of the war was one of the most serious acts of political unwisdom for which our statesmen have ever been responsible",[118] and called the treaty a "Carthaginian peace" that would economically affect all of Europe.[119] Keynes said that the treaty's reparation figures "generally exceed Germany's capacity" to pay.[120] He said that US$10 billion was the "safe maximum figure", but even then he did "not believe that [Germany could] pay as much".[121] He said the Reparation Commission was a tool that could "be employed to destroy Germany's commercial and economic organization as well as to exact payment".[122]
>industry unaffected The French occupied the ruhr.
>le ebin agolos r y joermomny luk baed! :( >occupied meant that Germans were no long able to use it Germans could've paid it off They didn't want to That's literally the end of the story
Christian Roberts
>>le ebin agolos r y joermomny luk baed! :( not an argument you fucking faggot go napalm some Vietnamese kids or support the current starvation of Yemen or something, in the end it's only Germany that can do bad things kys
Grayson Campbell
>People care about a bad thing happening
>Wtf anglos??
Why are we a menacing aggressor even when we're literally saying war is bad
Brody Gomez
>he brings up civilians when his subhuman horde of a "people" created industrialized genocide
Christopher Ward
NO NO NO NO NO NO GERMANY IS INNOCENT YOU FUCKING ANGLO FUUUCCK YOU STARTED WW2 IT WAS YOU WE WUZ INNOCENT 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 INNOCENT GERMANS DIED EVERY PICOSECOND WHEN YOU BOMBED DRESDEN
I am telling you that the things that happened to Belgium during the war is pretty common during armed conflcits. Prending that it was anything more special than other stuff is anglo hypocrisy. Thank God the Brits realized this and they already started destroying the stutues of criminals such as Cecil Rhodes.
So what if it's common? Should we have just not cared? I don't understand what you're annoyed at really. You can accuse the UK of a lot of dodgy stuff and be right to do it, but the reasons we joined the two world wars are pretty above board
Julian Lee
I guess I am not. Only come here occasionally.
Angel Rodriguez
Because you are pretending that you were some moral good, while infact you only felt threatened by the German economy. Thanks to wisdom of the Americans Germany economy is no longer threatened by the Brits.
Samuel Myers
no....
Sebastian Ross
German is not human Celt-Gauls hates you Scandis hates you Slavs hates you there must be a reason somewhere
Brody Long
>Scandis hates you they don't >Celt-Gauls hates you >Slavs hates you true it's because they're lesser humans
Jack Collins
>Intervening to stop an invading country isn't morally good
I don't know what to say, I think you harbour resentment for no real reason
Jason Howard
>>Celt-Gauls hates you >>Slavs hates you >true >it's because they're lesser humans
it isn't morally good if you're yourself invading countries all the time (Boers, Zulus, India etc etc) they are only reason they won is because Anglos and you mutts fought on their side as well
Robert White
>talk about Anglos >"U DO NOFIN ID WOS SOVJET DEY DU 1488% OF ERYDIN U DO NUFIN!!!!! DA GORMINS ONLI LUSE BECOS U!! NIPPON ONLY SURENDOR BECOS SOVIT!!" >talk about Soviets >"DEY SUBHUMIN DEY ONLI WIN BECOS OF ANGLOS!!"
