I'm sure most European countries would prefer to buy European. But frankly Europe can't defend themselves without the Americans, so unless European governments start to drastically improve our military capabilities, the US will always be seen as a more credible partner for countries that don't have a big defense industry or military in general
Not denying the JSF program wasn't a shitshow, but that's the nature of the beast. All large defense procurement are shit, including European ones like the NH90, A400M, NFR-90, Eurofighter/Rafale. Most of your comments are memes though. The grounding was literally 1 day, costs are getting lower to the point the F-35A is similarly priced or even cheaper than its competitors and the incremental updates is literally one of the biggest selling points. The F-35 is already more advanced than its competitors, and this ensures it will remain that way in the next 40 years.
It's funny how the F-35 is critiqued for the way the development was run instead of the actual plane. Also, for some reason, people love to hate on it but can't tell a single reason why any of its competitors would be a better buy when it comes to actual real world capabilities.
Are you saying the Gripen is €25m a piece?
Hunter Morales
They have been updated a lot since then. So that doesn't really say anything.
Juan Roberts
>But frankly Europe can't defend themselves without the Americans Yes we can. Could. And we may need to defend ourselves AGAINST the Americans. Whom we outnumber and outproduce, actually. And the situation would be even better if we didn't support their defense industry at the expense of ours.
>unless European governments start to drastically improve our military capabilities Trump is clamouring for raises in the defense budgets, so everyone is going to spend at least 2% no matter what. So the question is, whether it will be spent on European or US weapons. The answer should be obvious.
>the US will always be seen as a more credible partner never heard of the Suez crisis I see.
>All large defense procurement are shit Rafale wasn't. And for the next one, steps are taken, precisely to ensure that it will go like Rafale and not A400M.
>actual plane the "actual" plane, which typically is well behind in delivery dates, is critiqued by the US units who have it. I'd say "fly" it, but... read what this squadron based in Japan has to say.
>Are you saying the Gripen is €25m a piece? It was offered under €30 million, yes. Brazil I think? plus I was talking total cost of ownership, not just purchase - it's what matters.
Gavin Perez
>And the situation would be even better if we didn't support their defense industry at the expense of ours. Then the French should lead by example and not just support their own industry
>read what this squadron based in Japan has to say. Oh please tell me
>It was offered under €30 million, yes. Brazil I think? It was 4.7 billion dollar for 36 Gripens, so $130m a piece
Christopher Hill
Only Dassault has experience with stealthy planes thanks to the nEUROn. Would be nice if we were the first to have an aircraft without vertical wings.
Hudson Roberts
> main threat is Russian hackers > buy a flying computer are you even trying anymore
Jackson Myers
Oh fuck off. Try working with old Russian planes.
Andrew Cooper
>Then the French should lead by example and not just support their own industry We don't do that. I mentioned actual facts, read up on them. We buy our fuckin assault rifles which we could easily manufacture ourselves.
>Oh please tell me Look it up, you'll just deny it if I post something.
Evan Harris
yeah and the f16 has been updated a lot since then
Nolan Bennett
Europe needs to defend itself against the arab countries, Israel and the US. Buying US-military equipment is thus counterproductive.
