Are gays even real?

I seriously need to ask this question, because outside of the Middle East and Western Nations, I have NEVER seen mention of gays. Every single non-western/non-middle eastern mention of gays is always meme tier (case in point, Finland fag on here).

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have you SEEN south korea

are japenese even real?
outside of anime i have never seen any mention of them

For most of human history gay sex has been an "emergency" measure for men who didn't have access to pussy. The idea of exclusively homosexual relationships as a viable mainstream relationship is an invention of late capitalism stemming from the breakdown of traditional values and a nihilistic culture that places personal pleasure over communal solidarity.

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Benis :DD

Yes, they are, but the number of those who are truly gay a.k.a. born that way is far less than fags who've had childhood traumas or girls didn't give or the government supplies additional privileges to lgbt or watched too much anime etc. etc.
Honestly I don't have anything against any of these people, at a younger age I even thought that we need some laws to protect them but now seeing what kind of degeneration is happening in the West and how the all-devouring diversity overshadows common sense I completely justify people who don't tolerate such things here. If tolerated it can cause some serious breakdown of national identity which is paramount for such a country as Armenia to survive.
I came to a conclusion that if they can do closet stuff secretly without bothering the society than it's ok, for me at least, but giving them tools of propaganda and lobbing should be punishable as they warp the mental illness of the most vulnerable and important part of society - teens.

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They’re qt

Yes, I am gay and am also real. I'm sure you can google LGBT ______ whatever country and plenty will come up
What about the Greeks? I know it was "erotic-educational" but I still think it's worth mentioning. and I remember in the Symposium there was a gay couple of two mature men, and I remember Alcibiades professing his love for Socrates. And plenty of greeks believed homosexual relations to be superior to heterosexual one (though this is mainly die to them viewing women as intellectually inferior and not worth much beyond procreation and weaving or whatever). And of course there was plenty of gay shit with eh Romans, though their views on it were to as positive
>The idea of exclusively homosexual relationships as a viable mainstream relationship is an invention of late capitalism stemming from the breakdown of traditional values and a nihilistic culture that places personal pleasure over communal solidarity.
so this certainly isn't true since we can see it existing in civilised society 2500 years ago
>I came to a conclusion that if they can do closet stuff secretly without bothering the society than it's ok, for me at least, but giving them tools of propaganda and lobbing should be punishable as they warp the mental illness of the most vulnerable and important part of society - teens.
it is not LGBT people themselves doing this for the most part, it is corporations fawning over them, supporting ghastly pride parades and the like. I agree with most of your post but I don't think a heterosexual young lad is going to truly think he is gay because he was exposed to a queer on some soap opera or saw a rainbow flag flying outside some pub

excuse me for any poor formatting or error I am a bit drunk

Everything you said is false.
>gay sex happens when you can't find a woman
False, gays are usually cuter and attract a lot of girls
>the idea of exclusively homo relationship was born with late stage capitalism
False, exclusively homo relationship have always happened (when allowed, obv)
>muh nihilistic culture, muh personal pleasure
All sex is for personal pleasure, don't act like you are morally superior bcz you fuck women

>I don't think a heterosexual young lad is going to truly think he is gay because he was exposed to a queer on some soap opera or saw a rainbow flag flying outside some pub
He will, all you have to do is just repeat enough times and from sources that he finds "cool".
Also if his parents are against it some serious family issues might appear and he'll see traditional family as something like prison for individual that should be deconstructed and that's where hides the shit.

>non-western/non-middle eastern
So that's South America, Africa and Asia? South Americans are super open about it and it's very taboo in most countries in the other continents. I don't know what you mean by "never see mention of it". Are you consuming mozambican/uzbekistani/whatever media?

Here's some recent news from Tanzania:
>Tanzanian authorities are set to track down and arrest gay people — who face at least 30 years in prison — after the announcement of an anti-gay surveillance squad.
>"Give me their names," Mr Makonda was quoted as saying by AFP news agency. "My ad hoc team will begin to get their hands on them next Monday."
>Mr Makonda said he has received 5,763 messages in one day after ordering the public to report the name of any person suspected of being gay

Africa has no gays, I have never met a gay African from my travels to Africa. If they exist, they might be all 7 of them in Africa

Gee I wonder why they're in hiding. Did you even read the second part of my post?

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>All sex is for personal pleasure
Have you ever met a religious person, degenerate?

All religious people i met still used condoms. If you don't do it only for procreation, you do it for fun

>I don't think a heterosexual young lad is going to truly think he is gay because he was exposed to a queer on some soap opera or saw a rainbow flag flying outside some pub
You don't understand how human brains work. There is no binary "hetero-homo" circuit that produces a clear 1-0 output. There's just a mess of entangled neurons that draw associations between various sensory inputs, and it is always changing to fit the environment. If you are exposed to enough material that associates sexual activity or pleasure with men, your brain will be slowly molded to fit that.

Do some people have certain predispositions? Sure. But can your sexuality be changed through conditioning and sensory input? Absolutely. Just look at all the disgusting fetishes people develop after looking at porn enough. Homosexual behaviour is fairly common and naturally occurring, true enough, but it is no less aberrant than trannyism, rape or necrophilia.

I know a lot of gay/bisexual people.

Claiming to be religious and actually being religious are two different things.

Unless you’re a proxy, you are talking about in the US

There are gay Africans. You just don't hear about them often because the continent has so many religious nutjobs that would kill them.

I've never met a religious person then

>implying that popping out another kid on this bloated shitplanet to work for 60+ years and die because "m-muh feefees tell me to" or "I want to pretend my DNA makes me immortal" isn't personal pleasure

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Yeah I'm talking about the US. Not all of them are from the US though.

Where are they from then? I’m guessing the Middle East.

>it is no less aberrant than trannyism, rape or necrophilia.
That's a really absurd opinion.

Mostly Latin America and East Asia.

The Chinese and Japanese were at it in elite circles throughout history, from what I recall. Emperors and shoguns and such. Contact with the West in the past had probably reduced their openness, though.

It's likely the tendency of Western culture to universilise morality, particularly in its modern secularised form, that pushes it all to the fore. Parades and diversity propaganda, and so on.

The stereotyped MENA reaction is one of extreme hostility, so that obviously gets attention in the hyped up Western press. Pretty sure it was common enough through their history, though. Again, known in elite circles.

Japan is technically Western. So they’re probably all Japs. South Americans probably got influenced by us

Rome?Greece?England?(They had one faggot as a king in the 1600s or 1500s I forgot)China?

No it's not. Why would it? How is ineffectually using your reproductive bits to poke a man's anus any different from doing it to a corpse? Or deliberately preventing them from serving their function by wrapping them in rubber?

Come to think of it, rape is actually less aberrant by far. All of this - masturbation, faggotry, necrophilia, bestiality, pedophilia - is just reward hacking behaviour. Masturbation with different added flavours. At least for recreational sex in a pair bonded relationship the arguable point can be made that it serves to reinforce the bond. But other than that it's all just tricking your brain into producing the rewards that have evolved to force you to reproduce.

The greeks invented it an spread it to persian and the west.

Your logic is basically that all non-reproductive ejaculations are aberrant and that opinion is so fucking dumb that there's no point replying to you anymore. I'd be willing to bet you don't get laid much if at all.

Yes I like dicks and I am real.

You’re western or middle eastern immigrant

He probably thinks that if he can convince people that sex isn't fun, he can get those dumb wimminiz to fuck him instead because he spends all his time studying alone instead of meeting people or exercising, and therefore carries the best seed. It's like a teenager trying to force everyone to be straight edge because he's too socially stunted to find a hook up for cigarettes/booze/etc.

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Why people always reduce male homosexuality to the act of anal penetration? Yes, I like to penetrate other men, but I like men as a whole, not as just a hole to insert my dick.

Maybe it's a stereotype that comes from porn. I'm bisexual as well (prefer guys though) and don't just focus on anuses.

yes

You prove my point. Seriously, have never met an African or Asian (non-middle eastern) gay in my life

Where did you get those opinions from and why do you care so much?

I like cocks
there

I know of two asians who are gay. I also saw something on tv about gays in China. I don't know about africans though.

MSMs (men having sex with men) existed everywhere
Gays are the modern Western invention though.

You’re influenced by the west
Most asians that are gay are influenced by the west, especially Japan and South Korea

It is actually worse. Male homosexuality vastly reinforced the HIV epidemic + other diseases too. Not sure if the rest of named behaviours led to something comparable.

>and that opinion is so fucking dumb that there's no point replying to you anymore.
aka there isn't really anything you can say against it

You are chasing rewards without accomplishing the objective those rewards evolved to incentivize. If you were an AI someone was designing this would be considered a bug.
Because the only thing that sets you apart from regular men is that you also want to fuck your fellow males.
I don't actually give a single fuck about gays or necrophiles or goatfuckers or whatever. It's just the truth and I enjoy the massive amounts of butthurt it generates. People always assume that I must hate them personally or be attacking them just because I don't repeat the same bullshit post-factum rationaizations of their completely hedonistic behaviour that everybody else does. For all I care you can all be faggots till the end of time, just don't pass it off as something it isn't.

I don't get it.

But even before porn, anal penetration was sanctioned, even Greeks debated whether it was inmoral or not. I think that happened because centuries ago people didn't see homosexual relationships as real relationships, they saw them as just a way to satisfy their sexual urges. Homosexual relationships comparable to straight relationships is just a modern phenomena.

I saw a documentary about gays and lesbians in Cameroon. It's not in English though.

The ancient conception of relationships in general was very different. They didn't think about sexual orientation. They just saw it in terms of either dominant-submissive, male-male, or male-female. The act was what named the relationship rather than the attraction.
There definitely were some very devoted same sex couples though.

All I can say is AIDS didn't spread from playing gin rummy.

Gay men were usually molested as kids, probably about 80% of the time. Harvey Milk said he realized he was gay after attending the theater when he was 11 and being groped by older men in the audience.

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Why are natives never gay?

>I swear I don't have issues with people who have sex, honest, please disregard the thesis of angry ranting that I just shit all over your corneas
If you keep backpedaling this hard, maybe you'll lose some of that skinnyfat and someone will want to touch your penis.

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What the

kek, like straights havin' it going without condom or junkies using the same niddle for over 9000 people never did the thing. yeah blame everything on fags

imagine believing you're enlightened for trying to pass off incel ramblings as philosophy

It's way easier to get AIDS from anal sex.

That doesn't stop african countries and Russia from having high AIDS rates though

straights do anal too. not an argument. straight and gay junkies are the problem

nah, gays just fuck each other ironically. Homosexuality is just a meme that went a little too far.

this.

In US gays have around HUNDRED times larger hiv rate than straights. Here junkies are even worse, but aside from junkies picture would be the same.

Homosex is an urban myth.

What hiv rate is high? 5%? 10%?

Straights have a semblance of decency and usually don't go to bathhouses where everyone fucks each other.

Neither do most gays.

Then why two thirds of new HIV cases in USA come from gays while they are only 2-3% of population?

Not exactly sure what you mean, but I think wherever you are, being gay still kind of taboo. I mean I don't know about some super gay neighborhoods.
But I'm pretty obviously a huge homo and even then only get asked by other homos very rarely, once a year or something. Whatever thoughts you might have about gay people, well we have those thoughts too. Like it's a big step for you to tell another MAN in PUBLIC you're interested. Imagine if they're not gay. "LOL THIS FAGGOT ASKED ME OUT." "IS HE TRYING TO EMBARRASS ME." It's seen as emasculating or whatever, people can really lash out. Even if it's "safe", you're okay with it, then maybe your family or someone might see and etc. The situation needs to be just right, not like with girls. This is why you don't see it in public.

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Clearly they are real because you're here posting this thread op.

In addition, the internet is a safe place, really is. You can, or should be able to, have all your cards on the table, be a complete faggot, neo-nazi, furry, whatever your degeneracy is. Things you can't fully be in the real world. This is why you see things on Jow Forums you can't see elsewhere.

Probably because the statistics include male sex workers who have sex with men but aren't necessarily gay, and because gay couples don't have as much reason to use condoms because they don't have to worry about pregnancy. You could say that HIV would be a reason to use condoms, but there's a lot of misconceptions regarding the spread of HIV and how to use a condom.

Stats include female prostitutes too, and they have sex a lot.
>You could say that HIV would be a reason to use condoms, but there's a lot of misconceptions regarding the spread of HIV and how to use a condom.
The problem is that it is 2016 data, not 1986. When something is a problem for several decades, one should learn about it.

Wow, someone with a brain, i'm shocked

Sex education in much of the country is inadequate. There are people who probably just rely on pulling out or other such things that don't actually make sex safe.

Extremely good post

>South Americans are super open about it
Thats a meme, at least here they are still bullied

I think it's more of a problem of unsafe sex. gays be like "I won't get a dude pregananant so why use a condom?"

Complete non-argument

So which country you are referring to as "gay free" to have an example?

they're realer than real

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Uzbekistan for one, China as well (this excludes Chinese immigrants), everywhere in Africa that isn’t Western (or north afrcian)

It'd be great except now I can't go to metro and not think that people around me secretly wait for the moment to drag me into darkness take out my intestines and then desecrate my corpse.Fuck internet, it literally made me a schizo.

I herd mexico still has something akind to gays that has existed since pre-columbian times.

Usbekistan is a very radical Muslim country with a lot of radicals that would not hesitate to kill any gay. So they are there, but they are also invisible in order to survive. In China is: don't ask don't tell substantially. So they are there. During the times of the Cultural Revolution AFAIK it was illegal. People were shot. There is the film "the botanist" covering a story like this. So culturally not visible. Africa is a primitive country with primitive means of handling who is different. If you are albino you are a "witcher" they kill you and eat your organs to get "more powerful. If you are gay they kill you by stoning or machete or burning you alive. So people use "homosexuality" as a reason for being refugee. Which is nearly never true but sometimes it is.