Are you OK, USA?

This isn't affecting farmer john and his 13 kids its affecting companies like monsanto

Almost all agriculture and raw material industries are subsidized retards

Starving americans is a good idea

This but unironically

Although most of the soy production isn't for humans but animals. Corn is garbage though indeed

Eat up, Trumpfags!

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Americans really need to pick up the slack and eat more soy-products.

>free world market

Reinvent motherfuckers

We have different seasons for our harvest.

Farmers are ok and they will always be ok. They're filthy rich.

We feed it to livestock mostly. Cheap meat is good.

Do you know that Brazil is in the tropical zone, right??
They can harvest all year round if they want to.

Aren't their farmlands in temperate climate zone?

*moderate climate zone

lol what? average farmer makes 30k.

>ah buh-leave in tha free mahket, bolth becaws tha soshull ism is evul, end caws guvernmint ownlee evah impeeds muh freedums and muh well-been
>proceeds to destroy his nation's international trade relations by bulldozing the free market

soy nation

Soybean isn't a food crop in the USA, senpai. It's a heavily subsidised export crop.

Not anymore, kek.

I thought America was all about free markets and no government subsidies distorting the market place? Kek.

Actually like 45% indicated they still support him

Hope they get JUSTed just like steel, auto workers, and coal have. Any blue collar worker who voted for Trump deserves the results of his economic incompetence desu.

And they will vote for him again because they'll just blame it on mexicans, jews, and muslims.

This
Free market is only good when it benefits them

Every country on earth subsidizes their industries, and it's a free domestic market if everybody is subsidized the same in one sector.

>US makes policy depending on if it benefits Americans or not
wow

>Effectively closed this market because they are selling slightly less soy abroad
God forbid they just find someone else to buy it , it's not fucking hard to diversify your exports in the 21st century like fucking hell

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And how are they going to find a new market? This isn't a couple kilos of soy, you can't just unload it on ebay you brainlet.

Maybe they should have farmed something viable on the domestic market instead of whoring out the nation's sacred soil to Chinese devils for a quick buck.

>And how are they going to find a new market
By calling people. Like, you're not sending men on a month long journey to the South to find another buying you can just email or call or Skype people who might be interested, and considering how industrialized farming in the United States is they should already have contacts.

They're going to be taking a mild hit in quarterly profits while they sit on their product. Fuck China, they've been doing the exact same thing Trump is doing for decades in multiple different trades and industries because "hurr muh legalism, muh Homeland, Chinese pride". We should start sabotaging their fishing ships while we're at it. Show Japan and Korea some love.

they can do the same we do and process it into other stuff, like oil, cattle food, fuel, etc.
we're one of the leading cunts in biofuel worldwide because of that

>By calling people. Like, you're not sending men on a month long journey to the South to find another buying you can just email or call or Skype people who might be interested, and considering how industrialized farming in the United States is they should already have contacts.
I already said you can't just unlaod thsi shti liek it's an ebay product. This is suppsoedly a very big amount. The kidn where you need big organization's deals. This kind fo market doesn't spawn randomly like a small consumer's needs. Everyone who needs that amount of soy already has a supplier. The big market isn't as dynamic as you seem to imply.

That’s fine when you’re not destabilizing countries over it.

Depends on who you ask

>By calling people
if they wanted your soy, they'd call you
this is an international market trading several million tons every year, not a backalley deal

Perhaps, i have no idea how easy it would be to get into that this fast though.

>hello, russia? Would you like some soy?.... Oh give me a second skype is acting up.

>cant export food
>starving americans
How fucking dumb are you?

China has closed their markets off to the west for ages. Good for Trump for standing up to them

>Everyone who needs that amount of soy already has a supplier
So what do you do when you have a product and are now competing with another supplier? Fucks sake user

>Calling someone is a back alley deal
Have you been to business meeting even once in your life? Yes , you try to contact people who might be interested in your product. Offer them competitive rates, look for opportunities to sell. This is how diversification works like why am teaching macro 101 on Jow Forums

Thats the job of the other countries leaders to worry about shlomo

>Are you OK, USA?
Doing great Brazil-user.

Part of the farm problem is that the government is much too involved with the supply and demand, and does regulate crops and production. 2/3rds of our grown food is thrown out, most before it even makes it to distribution. I can't be convinced that farmers have no business sense, but changing markets need to cause adjustments in the way they do business. This is more an issue with how the government is involved, and how it effects food. Farmers need to become cut-throat mercenaries. Obviously I don't know all the ins/outs of how it works, but these people can and will get government handouts because of their loss. IF you don't diversify your holdings, you will be left with piles of garbage eventually.

You still seem to not have a grasp of the scale we are talking.

Those deals aren't made by a handful of people and politicians dummy, the soy goes into the international market, carried out by a number of different companies. The US also doesn't have the monopoly on soy, it's not that you can say "okay, we'll sell it cheaper, wadaboutdat," not only would that trigger a ton of anti dumping and price fixing alerts everywhere. The buyer contacts you on this market, do you really think this operates like a car dealership?

>do you really think this operates like a car dealership
With this last post it's safe to say he at least understands we are not on that level. He is thinking more small enterprise calling people to be a supplier. That's a step up from frst impression at least.

No I do. I don't think you do.

China raised tariffs on sog by about 25% when US soy farms export 60% of their product to China.

...

So... One would assume they already have contacts with other mass buyers, you know. Because only 60% of their product goes to China, they're still shipping their product to China they're just making less of profit and are being incenticized to diversity where they sell it to. This adjustment probably takes a single quarter to adjust too depending on the supplier.

I know it goes against my economic interest but I really hope china long term fuck up the US. We're just such a revolting country

*sigh*

Alright.
>One partial solution, suggest some, is an aggressive diversification of markets. That, however, will necessitate much smaller shipments destined for many more ports, both of which translate into an emphasis on containerization, said Scott Sigman, the transportation and infrastructure lead at the Illinois Soybean Association.

“Global supply chains are in flux as vessel owners and operators, shippers of goods and merchandizers are trying to find new partnerships and new trade lanes back and forth,” said Sigman of the current uncertainty in global trade. He then zeroed in on soybeans in particular: “Containers, with their more measured allocations, with a 25-ton lot here and there, or 10 containers, or 100 containers, are still a means of fulfilling supply chains but perhaps in another fashion - smaller lots, more frequent sailings than procuring soybeans by 5,000 or 10,000 tons in the hold of a ship.”
ajot.com/premium/ajot-american-soybean-farmers-look-for-new-markets-and-fresh-ways-to-ship

So yeah. This means they are making smaller shipments at very high effort for less profit overall to save face. That is how you react to a sudden rise in tariffs to your main buyer, you aggressively diversify by finding new buyers. You are forced to micro manage.

I know what I'm talking about, stop assuming otherwise because I contradict you mildly

>One would assume they already have contacts with other mass buyers, you know
what makes you think those buyers are not satisfied with the last 40% and would buy more? if they wanted to buy more, they'd do it right now by paying more than the Chinese
sure, American farmers could take that 60% away and sell it to all those other countries anyways, but that would double the supply of American soy, dropping the prices massively, so at the end of the day American farmers make less money anyways
once again, these international commodities markets don't really care about influences, deals and contacts, they're way more simplistic, with suppliers just dumping several million tons on the table and letting anybody that feels like taking it go at it

>Actually like 45% indicated they still support him
lmao, talk about Stockholm Syndrome.

Let Trump voters feel the pain
Fuck them

Socialism for the rich, free marketplace for the poor, etc. etc. etc.

If I recall correctly, due to the earlier spat involving Trump, he hit the EU with tariffs which in turn triggered a shift away from purchasing American soy for animal feed and buying elsewhere.

>to find another buying you can just email or call or Skype people who might be interested
Fucking wew lad, we are talking about export contracts involving shipping companies, distribution, wholesalers, etc.

>We should start sabotaging their fishing ships while we're at it.
The fuck is wrong with you?

>Show Japan and Korea some love.
If you want to show them love, start by getting your military out of their countries. The people don't want those bases there.

How does MAGA hat stew taste like?

Fucking lmao.

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>what makes you think those buyers are not satisfied with the last 40% and would buy more
Well it depends on the market, this is commodity specific issue with soy. According to the article they already have certain markets like Indonesia and Egypt lined up to receive a vast amountorr of soy than previously planned which, if micromanaged well enough, will get them close to even.

They're not going to be making profits this quarter , right now they're trying to minimize losses but they do have options. The result of this diversification will probably equally affect China and the United States unless the price of soy raised in these new markets over time.

Sauce? I mean I wouldn't be surprised if soy took a hit too, but I don't remember it being this severe.

Good God, this thread is fucking deranged. Hoping it's just playing around.

>Fucking wew lad, we are talking about export contracts involving shipping companies, distribution, wholesalers, etc.
... Yeah. Read the thread my emu enslaved fren , yes people in different businesses use these major forms of communication to communicate with each other to diversify the market. All it takes is communication is what I'm saying

>The fuck is wrong with you
Chinese legalism + fishing = horrible international relations. They're infamously aggressive to the point where minor military confrontations have occurred over their fishing practices. The Chinese , economically speaking, are more aggressive than the United States.

>The people of South Korea and Japan dont want US military bases
South Korea definitely does, Japan doesn't have a choice in us providing less aid to them than usual.

Does this mean no more soyboys because no more soybeans? Trump is unironically making America great again!

The article also says they had to store a record amount of it because those secondary markets just don't demand nearly as much as China. And that storage means that prices will only fall further since the buyers are taking notes and are aware of that massive stock accumulating so they can buy for cheap in the future.
There are farmers selling at a loss just to make some money and pay debts. Diversifying and using that soy to manufacture other products is a way out, but can take several years to get competitive in those areas.
And don't forget the US has been on this tariff war with many different countries. They might not be too interested in buying American after that, no matter how hard American farmers have it.

less chinese soyboys, more western soyboys after the farmers find themselves having to dump all that soy somewhere else

Yes and no but in general "harvest season" for them is mainly around springtime in the northern hemisphere

>All it takes is communication is what I'm saying
You're a clueless manchild with no comprehension of how the real world works.

>Chinese legalism + fishing = horrible international relations.
>They're infamously aggressive to the point where minor military confrontations have occurred over their fishing practices
Do you have any fucking awareness of how your country and corporations conduct themselves internationally? Jesus fucking christ.

>Japan doesn't have a choice
So what you're saying is that the US presence in Japan is that of a terrorist state. Awesome.
You're an idiot.

>The article also says they had to store a record amount of it because those secondary markets just don't demand nearly as much as China
Well yeah that's a given, when such a large share of your product is suddenly in free fall it's hard to find a market with equal demand that will provide you with as much profit. It's not going to happen this quarter , or the next, or even the one after that and this is all depending on whether or not the tariffs stay the same or these new markets try to take advantage of either China or the US's weakness.

That's the thing about trade wars, they are extremely long term in their conflct's total outcomes. So far, at least, China seems to be on the losing end of most of these conflict now that the US' constant conflicts with OPEC have dropped severely since domestic oil production increased drastically here. We'll just have to see what happens

>You're a clueless manchild with no comprehension of how the real world works.
Uh huh
>Do you have any fucking awareness of how your country and corporations conduct themselves internationally?
Yeah, we're natural rivals with the Chinese for a reason. Also, they're "our" corporations. It's a private sector and most "American" companies have exported their labor elsewhere. Like Apple, GM, Nike, etc. So yeah. We're a bit pissed off atm.
>So what you're saying is that the US presence in Japan is that of a terrorist state.
No it's just that there is a delicate balance of power in the South China Sea and the US no longer having a military presence there would probably end up with a war in the Phillipines.

>we should sabotoge their fishing ships
Don't you ever claim that economic war can't lead to real war when you hold a dumbass opinion like that.

I forget that the internet doesn't translate irony well. No I dont actually think our state should engage in corporate sabotage through actual violence.

I just fucking hate Chinese fishing practices, they're worse than the Japanese and that's really saying something.

I heard shale is producing so much natural gas that, ironically, while the yuros are having to bring old coal power stations back online whenever their renewables aren't working, fucking Texas could meet carbon emissions targets far sooner than the EU

Yes and no
Shale fracking loses like 80% of production per well after 1-2 years of operation

>NOOOOOOO
>NOT THE SOY!

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Used to be higher, no? New pipes and plants are being built to transport it instead of burning it in-situ, or so I've heard

monsato is now owned by bayer, you are being bought up by germans

Yes, that's being done to increase sustainability, much to the annoyance of most of the central US

Moreso by the Chinese than the Germans, both of which are funnily enough buying up "dying" companies

Oh yeah, it's not just natural gas either, in 2016 we found the largest oil well in Texas's history after the Obama administration essentially made fracking a viable option in domestic oil production again.

Which is the best the he did, honestly, it ended up destroying OPEC's power. Venezuela, because of it's shitty centralized economy being overly reliant on the price of one natural resource , has basically collapsed because of it. I mean yeah, concerns over CO2 emissions are legitimate but if you are tired of us invading other countries for oil this is pretty good news.

Well shale fracking is basically used to to extract the absolute last layer of oil in the earth on a given fields usually, so it's lifespan in terms of production is limited but the technology itself allows us to reach sources of oil we never could before.

Usually at the cost of the environment because of how invasive the practice is but hey, gotta make that money somehow.

That's fine. America doesn't need global trade. As a percentage of GDP, America is one of the least involved economies in the world for global trade. The only countries less involved are Argentina, Brazil, Ethiopia, Nepal, Sudan, and Pakistan. One third of America's trade is NAFTA/USMCA. America doesn't need to trade outside of the Western Hemisphere.

>America doesn't need global trade.
Nigga what?

Did I stutter? At best america needs regional trade within the Americas. Exports are 11% of GDP and 14.5% for imports. A third of that is NAFTA. Like I said, that makes America one of the least globally integrated economies in the world, despite it being one of the largest.

Goodluck being relevant next decade.
So much for Pax Americana dream.

It's the end of the farming year, just plant something else next year. Problem solved.

winning!?!?

I only vote for gun rights

>market that existed for a market another country

yeah we're fine

Won't be an issue. The U.S. Navy superiority is ridiculous. The combined Navy of the rest of the world has at most 1/10th the firepower of the U.S. Navy. If America wants to bully other countries by threatening their trade, it could easily be done.

You're retarded, we're the largest consumer market in the world. We rely on buying shit from other countries in order to survive

>you're part of the generation that will watch America's soft power decline and growth fade until it either folds in on itself or becomes irrelevant
epic

What can you trade on a aircraft carrier?

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>Now join me in eating more soy
Yes, yes, good goyim

>President Trump gave us Christmas back
This makes me laugh more than it should, mainly because I can picture something like this actually happening.

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>join me in eating more söy
lmao, when did trump become a soyboy?

the US should grow rye instead

>t-t-t-t-this is actually a good thing!