So...

True. If you have a collection of commie blocks nearby during a -40° russian winter then by all means go ahead.
Trying to do this for individual homes for an entire city? If you were to build a city from scratch then maybe.

>If you have a collection of commie blocks nearby during a -40° russian winter then by all means go ahead.
Countries like Denmark and Sweden dont exactly fit your description but still use district heating. Also more and more people are moving to densely populated areas where they don´t live in single-family houses. Having seperate heating systems for every apartmentbuilding is wasteful.

does poland have district heating systems?

Do you even know what our cities look like? Pic related is the capital.
>just break open every single street and modify the heating system of every house for something you'll use 3-4 months a year at best
>and make sure your power plant is right in the middle
Better invest your money in meme algae and renewables then
Also especially Sweden has much colder winters. In Belgium even the coldest months have an average temperature of around 5°-10°.
And finally the government is becoming very strict in insulation for new buildings and giving grants for extra insulating older homes, highly reducing the need for heating power in the first place, making this whole idea even less doable.

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I really thought Brussels would look more like German cities. Are there really no big apartment buildings there?

Germany got bombed to shit and we didn't. There are some big boy office buildings but your average Joe lives like pic related.

>but your average Joe lives like pic related
Didn't know that. How do they heat their homes? With gas?

Heating oil mostly.

>Heating oil mostly.
Holy shit. I didn´t think rich countries still use it. We used oil for eating too in the 90s. Russians cut exports and many people were literally freezing. Now the government has insane taxes on it so few people use it. Most private homes use either heat pumps, some form of wood fuel or gas.

Brussels's urban zoning is hilarious.

Read:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusselization

To my knowledge there are areas in northern Greece that use powerplant heating. It's super effective and very cheap.

Was a sad read. Even during commie times, we renovated old buildings in Tallinn. It seems insane that someone would just start tearing down historic buildings.

It's a disaster everywhere in Belgium m8.

>wood
not an option here
>gas
still a fossil fuel
>heat pump
Pretty based if your garden is big enough. Air source heat pumps however suck.

Gas is just the least polluting fossil fuel. It turns to CO2 but you don´t have sulfur and other nasty shit like particles. Air-air heat pumps are pretty shit. Air pump connected to radiators or floor heating is a bit better if you can´t have ground heat pumps.

It makes more sense to me to save the gas for a CCGT instead of wasting it on heating homes where oil does the same thing just as good. But all this depends quite a bit on the gas prices. Gas is quite expensive here so our gas power stations do nothing most of the time lel.
>Air pump connected to radiators or floor heating is a bit better if you can´t have ground heat pumps.
The issue with air sourced pump is the COP goes to shit when you actually need heating. And you need a COP of at least 3-4 to justify the use of electricity for heating.
And floor heating is always the best option regardless of the source.

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Gas and oil are both too expensive for baseload unless you have domestic production. We have some gas turbines and engines but they are mostly used for emergencies. For heating, pellet boilers are quite convenient. Pellets don´t cost much here and they have built-in feeding systems. It´s probably more expensive in Belgium.
>electric central furnace
Holy shit. Is electricity free in the US?

It's 14 cents a kilowatt for me.

Those gulf states that apparently use electric heating are ~.12/kWh.
eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a

>It's 14 cents a kilowatt for me.
Does it include everything? Here the final price is 11 cents/kWh. That includes all the taxes and renewable subsidies.

Final from the power company yeah.

Which state are you from?

I'm in the Denver area of Colorado so it's a bit higher than the rest of the state. I used to live in Washington state where it was 8 cents a kilowatt, good times.

I know that Washington has tons of hydro. What does Colorado even have?

Natural Gas and Coal mostly.
eia.gov/state/?sid=CO

bullshit nobody heats with electricity. it would be absolutly unaffordable. people heat with gas. but yes using waste heat is efficient. sometimes its done here too but not often.

>bullshit nobody heats with electricity
Does nobody have heat pumps, electric radiators or electric floor heating in Germany?
Damn, eia.gov is heaven for researchers. If you want to find the same date in the EU you would spend days reading PDF and excel files.

>What does Colorado even have?
Tons of hydro. That joke works two ways but you won't get it.

Heat pumps and electrical resistance heating are fundamentally different though.

>Does nobody have heat pumps, electric radiators or electric floor heating in Germany?

Standard home? dont think so. never seen it.
gas dominates. we also have a fireplace.

The "fuel" is still the same. Heat pumps just use electricity in a more efficient manner.
Germany has cheap gas because you buy large quantities and have a former chancellor working in Gazprom. Electricity is expensive because energiewende (replacing nuclear with brown coal)

I guess thats true, but most infrastructure and houses were build before the nuclear exit anyway. god dont remind me. worst decision my country ever made. and yes I am including the world wars, genocide and the refugee crisis in this.

If the electricity system is based on fossil fuels then it´s better to use gas if you can´t have district heating.

true. also we germans have always liked gas.

I don't heat up my place at all besides with my PC. I get warm enough with my daily fitness routine

Electricity is not the fuel in heat pumps, the fuel is the outside air or the de facto infinite heat reservoir of the earth.
You're just using electricity to "pump" this heat into your home. Please don't lump it together with regular electrical heating.

We have some of them.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Steam_Plant

>district cooling
We have that.
hartfordsteam.com/about.htm

kek
I understand how heat pumps work and I know that they are totally different from regular electric heating. But if you are using heat pumps then you´re still heating with electricity. You´re just not converting it directly into heat but doing work with it.

If you're bashing heating with electricity you really shouldn't mention heat pumps in the same sentence though.
>electricity=bad
>no ones uses heat pumps?

>true. also we germans have always liked gas.

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